Dog attack girl has 100 stitches
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Maybe they should put the owners down as well as the dog in these cases.
BBC NEWS | Wales | Dog attack girl has 100 stitches
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BBC NEWS | Wales | Dog attack girl has 100 stitches
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The owners should be put down as in go to jail and accept that they`re responsable for their dogs actions.
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What are you implying?that iam not fit to be a parent?
The dogs pictured with my son are the softest, most timid animals you could meet,and have not once in there lives showed aggresion.Why are you scared? have you a nervous disposition or something
Its people like you that get on my t*t*.....
The dogs pictured with my son are the softest, most timid animals you could meet,and have not once in there lives showed aggresion.Why are you scared? have you a nervous disposition or something
Its people like you that get on my t*t*.....
It bothered me as well, all dog owners assume their dog will be fine, which most of the time they are but there are a lot of reasons for kids being bitten and not all are just the dog being nasty. There can be competition for your attention, the child can unintentionally hurt the dog leading to a nip. The dog can be competing for their position in the "pack" and then you have toys and food where normal dog behaviour if you have more than one is for one dog to be up the higherachy and they will very occasionally argue over it and the problem comes if your child gets included in this.
Its the reason that you simply don't trust dogs and children together, its not calling you a bad parent but simply that anyone that knows dogs knows you cannot trust them 100% not to have any natural instinct.
A lot is down to how dogs are brought up but they are still a domesticated wild animal that has certain things in built.
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I'm also saying that if I had a dog (any dog) I'd not let my kids do that to it!
It's people like you (who buy these dogs) that later say....he's never done that before.
It's people like you (who buy these dogs) that later say....he's never done that before.
What are you implying?that iam not fit to be a parent?
The dogs pictured with my son are the softest, most timid animals you could meet,and have not once in there lives showed aggresion.Why are you scared? have you a nervous disposition or something
Its people like you that get on my t*t*.....
The dogs pictured with my son are the softest, most timid animals you could meet,and have not once in there lives showed aggresion.Why are you scared? have you a nervous disposition or something
Its people like you that get on my t*t*.....
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It bothered me as well, all dog owners assume their dog will be fine, which most of the time they are but there are a lot of reasons for kids being bitten and not all are just the dog being nasty. There can be competition for your attention, the child can unintentionally hurt the dog leading to a nip. The dog can be competing for their position in the "pack" and then you have toys and food where normal dog behaviour if you have more than one is for one dog to be up the higherachy and they will very occasionally argue over it and the problem comes if your child gets included in this.
Its the reason that you simply don't trust dogs and children together, its not calling you a bad parent but simply that anyone that knows dogs knows you cannot trust them 100% not to have any natural instinct.
A lot is down to how dogs are brought up but they are still a domesticated wild animal that has certain things in built.
Its the reason that you simply don't trust dogs and children together, its not calling you a bad parent but simply that anyone that knows dogs knows you cannot trust them 100% not to have any natural instinct.
A lot is down to how dogs are brought up but they are still a domesticated wild animal that has certain things in built.
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Just to have a word on the matter. Not judging anyone for their decisions. However, no matter how dosile Malamutes are renowned for being, I would not leave him alone with a child or incapable person for that matter.
The people who are looking after him while we are away have been asked to spend 2 days with him and me, so I know all is as well as can be.
The people who are looking after him while we are away have been asked to spend 2 days with him and me, so I know all is as well as can be.
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People get them because of what they are - same as people by scoobs when a vectra would do. Of course there are dogs better suited to family life....but if you have a lab you cant say "he's soft as ****e really" which is middle class code for "dont my dog look well ard"
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Alright fellas so iam wrong........
Not!....... both my dogs are aged 10 and 12 and are mother and son.I think i know my dogs a bit better than you all think!!!
Out of all the dogs i have owned and bred my two staffs have been the best two dogs ive had.
I used to live on a farm for 14 years and we had and bred and showed Alsations,then corgies,then westies since then for the last 10 years ive had staffs.
Out of all the dogs that ive bred i would say the alsations were the most umpredicable then the corgis.
We obviously had collies to work the farm and as a working dog and reared to be a working dog they could bite and did bite often.
The reason for the photo is just to show that these dogs are trustworthy and can and are the most loyal dogs if brought up in the right manner.
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but the photo doesnt show that at all....I expect Ian Huntley has some family snaps that make him look all cuddly as well!
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People get them because of what they are - same as people by scoobs when a vectra would do. Of course there are dogs better suited to family life....but if you have a lab you cant say "he's soft as ****e really" which is middle class code for "dont my dog look well ard"
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People get them because of what they are - same as people by scoobs when a vectra would do. Of course there are dogs better suited to family life....but if you have a lab you cant say "he's soft as ****e really" which is middle class code for "dont my dog look well ard"
Personally, I know people pay a LOT of attention to Tuvaaq, but thats certainly not why he was bought
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We bought our first Bordeaux before we had children. But as we knew we would eventually have kids - we looked long and hard into which breed would best suit. Sure, we knew of Bordeauxs because of the Turner & Hooch film - but it was many moons AFTER that, that we had one. Bodeauxs are known for being family orientated, with the sense to protect. The worst kind of dog is a dog that can and is allowed to "think" for itself.
Every dog we have had, we have let the children feed - by putting the bowls down. All our dogs are taught to sit until told to eat. When the food goes down, they are told to wait until we say they can eat. Whilst eating I make a point of putting my hands by the bowl to take it away and get the dogs used to such actions. I never encourage my kids to do the same but i would feel comfortable for my kids to be around my dogs whilst they were eating. My kids are well disciplined too - they know not to try and take the bowl from the dog like "mummy does".
Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about why would you take photo's of your kids with your dogs - because they're part of the family! "whats the point" - the point is to remember.
Every dog we have had, we have let the children feed - by putting the bowls down. All our dogs are taught to sit until told to eat. When the food goes down, they are told to wait until we say they can eat. Whilst eating I make a point of putting my hands by the bowl to take it away and get the dogs used to such actions. I never encourage my kids to do the same but i would feel comfortable for my kids to be around my dogs whilst they were eating. My kids are well disciplined too - they know not to try and take the bowl from the dog like "mummy does".
Someone mentioned earlier in the thread about why would you take photo's of your kids with your dogs - because they're part of the family! "whats the point" - the point is to remember.
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As usual, and not pointed at you directly, there is so much rubbish typed on these boards from people with opinions usually formed from their local bar (Or youth club).
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Responsible owners are whats needed, and if there is an event whereby it's proven that the owner acted in a less than responsible manner then he/she should be prosecuted...
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people know thier rights and not their responsibilities in a lot of cases, they know they can own what they want but often do not step up to the care, welfare, being a responsible owner and training!
a similar approach may be a good idea for licences to have kids, would cut down on chavs and scumbags a treat!
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Spoon - in your view should these dogs that have attacked be put down? If not then I assume they should be taken away from their owners. Is it too late to retrain them if they are a few years old? Genuine question partly influenced by the fact that we took on a Spaniel that used to ****** food from kid's hands and we failed miserably to try and teach it not to do this and had to find a home for her. dl
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Agreed - but with the case of big powerful dogs of the damage that can be done then surely a more proactive approach is needed in a simialr way to firearms licences being granted, home visit, background checks, etc.
people know thier rights and not their responsibilities in a lot of cases, they know they can own what they want but often do not step up to the care, welfare, being a responsible owner and training!
a similar approach may be a good idea for licences to have kids, would cut down on chavs and scumbags a treat!
people know thier rights and not their responsibilities in a lot of cases, they know they can own what they want but often do not step up to the care, welfare, being a responsible owner and training!
a similar approach may be a good idea for licences to have kids, would cut down on chavs and scumbags a treat!
You licence idea is interesting, but Pit Bulls are hardly "Big" dogs, so where does one draw the line? Is it fair to single out particular breeds, when bite statistics may reflect more on irresponsible ownership than the poor dogs (let me stress that not everyone who owns a big dog does so for the wrong reasons, it's just that they might be more appealing to certain undesireables than a poodle! There are many responsible owners out there, and I have owned big dogs and a Staffie myself for 20 years!...... I don't want to get in the s*it again over this one! )
Personally, I think that taking the approach that Battersea Dogs home take for all supply of all dogs would be good. They assess the dogs temprement and behaviour around kids and other animals before specifying the type of home the dog would be suited to. You must then attend an interview and home visit before getting the dog. Not only would this reduce incidences of inappropriate people getting "big"dogs, but would also help people avoid getting dogs that really aren't suited to their lifestyle for other reasons.
Whatever the precautions taken though, I would stress that dogs should NEVER be left unattended with children, regardless of how well behaved both child and animal may previously have been - it's just good common sense!
As for cutting down on Chavs and Scumbags...your ideas are less radical than mine! Let's leave it at that!
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They must like that age gap
https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...-stitches.html
BBC NEWS | England | South Yorkshire | Rottweiler attacks nine-year-old
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BBC NEWS | England | South Yorkshire | Rottweiler attacks nine-year-old
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Anybody calling a GSD an Alsation unfortunately makes themselves look very unknowledgeable on the subject. That with saying they are the most unpredictable only bolsters the former point.
Ok mate dont get offended shall i say German Shephard Dog jst for you.
As usual, and not pointed at you directly, there is so much rubbish typed on these boards from people with opinions usually formed from their local bar (Or youth club).
Ok mate dont get offended shall i say German Shephard Dog jst for you.
As usual, and not pointed at you directly, there is so much rubbish typed on these boards from people with opinions usually formed from their local bar (Or youth club).
Is his mother wrong for having them round my son?
I suppose yous are thinking "my god there about to eat those chickens eggs that hes just collected from the garden"
But then again why havnt they eaten the chickens
I might ask my sons mother to have her say then again would her opinion count seeing that she has only ran a grooming parlour for the last 9 years.
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Your digging a deeper hole now.
Like I have said we got shot of ours when our daughter was born, it didn`t happen overnight as she did love the dogs but we did the right thing and she is still here with us now 20 years later. We did get a pic of her with a bull terrior though, but the adult dogs were not allowed in the same room as her after the Mrs got freaked by the incident.
Like I have said we got shot of ours when our daughter was born, it didn`t happen overnight as she did love the dogs but we did the right thing and she is still here with us now 20 years later. We did get a pic of her with a bull terrior though, but the adult dogs were not allowed in the same room as her after the Mrs got freaked by the incident.
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Spoon - in your view should these dogs that have attacked be put down? If not then I assume they should be taken away from their owners. Is it too late to retrain them if they are a few years old? Genuine question partly influenced by the fact that we took on a Spaniel that used to ****** food from kid's hands and we failed miserably to try and teach it not to do this and had to find a home for her. dl
Personally I'd say the dogs should never have got to the stage they had. In some cases the dog might have been hurt first, we'll never really know. If the dog only requires a proper home and boundaries then we'll also never know as there are too many homeless dogs now, so it's easier to use the attack as a good reason to eliminate one.
Taking them away from their owners would be a given, but to where would be the problem due to the homeless over population, as stated.
As for the Spaniel I couldn't see a problem that time couldn't fix. The trouble is with most peoples lives is that time isn't for their dogs, it can't be when they work. My 2 wouldn't do what they can now on a couple of minutes fuss a day, it's a full -time job training a dog properly. Obedience can be trained relatively quickly and kept fresh during normal home hours, so they never forget it.
Training for anything more needs constant practice if it's not part of daily life. Recall is so important which is often no practiced enough by most dog owners. People think because a dog has done something once it will always do it easily, it's just not the case.
Here is dog control - KELTIC KENNELS click on SEMINAR VIDEO on the left.
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Thanks
Dog owners trotting out the normal rubbish about how you bring a dog up etc.
I bet that's what all dog owners say just prior to an attack on a small child.
...they should cull ALL of these dangerous dog breeds and force the owners to buy a cat or gerbil
I bet that's what all dog owners say just prior to an attack on a small child.
...they should cull ALL of these dangerous dog breeds and force the owners to buy a cat or gerbil
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