Devildog

lol

I'd happily agree to licencing Paul. Hell, the more unsuitable owners we can weed out and the less time I'd have to spend on here debating the subject with some people who are no doubt well meaning in the whole, but sadly ill informed and lacking sufficient knowlege to engage in meaningful discussion.

Leslie

Are you sure of that-they seem pretty dangerous to me.

Les

PeteBrant

Pfft - i'm wiping the floor with you, as usual.

PeteBrant

Fair point Dave, but I would argue again, that guns are far more dangerous than dogs. Due to inherently being designed to kill. Not only taht but the potential for crime with a gun is far greater than that with a dog - I would like to see someone perform an armed robbery with a rottweiler.

PeteBrant

What ****ing problems?

PeteBrant

Hey, you're the one advocating licensing before you are allowed ot have children.


Problem is , Paul, is that I don't see how you can test suitability of ownership, without actually owning a dog.

Devildog

Ok, I agree that the numbers of dog attacks are so small as to be statistically insignificant, but I'm trying to address general issues of innapropriate ownership.

Its reported that there have been a number of Rotties being given up by their owners as a result of these recent incidents. I mean, ffs.....

People like that should NEVER be allowed to have the dogs in the first place.

Devildog

Pete, I believe its about attitide as much as anything else.

You could test for that (and with kids as well)

Its down to the breeders as well - to breed should require a licence.

Most good breeders vet the prospective owners. Part of our "vetting" involved meeting all their dogs to see how we interacted with them, whether we were confident with them and whether we were physically and mentally strong enough.

Basically, they wanted to see if we were up to the job and had the right attitude.

Jamo

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we were vetted when we went for ours too, it was great to see actually,they got us to walk their own male rottie to see how we would handle him, it also showed me that they were responsible breeders, not just doing it for a few quid!!

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Tiggs

It's at a point now where getting a rottie is like getting an M3....no matter how good it is, the very fact that everyone will think your a **** should make you consider the alternatives of which there are many......thus the stereotype becomes fact.

Abdabz

It's the new year and a no news week. I am sure the family of the nine year old are devastated, but a dog biting the cheek of a human is only making the national news because it's the latest breed in the spotlight.

When my mum was about 7, back in the 50's, she was bitten by a Scottish Terrier and has a slight facial scar as a result. She doesnt recall the national media clamouring round her house to take pics and highlight the dangers of the breed...

I do however agree that licenses to own dogs and to have children (with zero tolerance enforcement) would make this country a better place.

My parents own a rescued staffordshire bull... It's their 3rd of the breed in 20 years, the first being a pedigree with kennel club background and best of breed parents, the second 2 being rescued strays. In all 3 cases, because the breed can be misled / mistrained by scum, vetting was essential... All 3 dogs were well trained, well behaved and have never harmed anything other than plastic bottles, tennis ***** and the odd clumsily disguarded guests shoe

Devildog

As you say though Mark, doesn't make the M3 a bad car, and only in certain circles will people think you are a ****.

Personally, I don't give a toss what people think - and wouldn't want to move in those circles anyway.

RMA26

At the end of the day ANY dog has the potential to be dangerous, not just Rotties

My mate has two, a bitch and a dog (both about 3 years old) & they are fantastic

I was at a house party on NYE where there was a BIG Rottie & young kids (3+) walking round & a house full of strangers & he didn't bother one bit! He was more interested in what was going on

Another mate has had two (both dead now) the first was old & suffered from various ailments, due to which was prone to snapping at strangers, the second was just a big softie

Personally, all my experiences with em have been good, just a shame they they amongst some other breeds are often depicted as 'dangerous dogs'

The Zohan

I do not think you will find many people who disagree with this.

The issue is the damage that can be done by bigger, more powerful breeds of dog and what can be done to prevent this happening in future.

RMA26

Very True Paul

My mates male Rottie (Tyson) backs off if you show him your fist but he's been brought up with some degree of discipline

In the pub which my mate has & around people he knows Tyson is fantastic, knock on the window tho & he snarls & growls, again what he's been taught to do as they had a very rough pub in a very rough area before

The female is just a complete idiot!

Devildog

Morning Paul.

I think we agree on what can be done to reduce the risks of such incidents (all of which are avoidable with a degree of care and attention), but should we not be addressing with greater priority the many other ways in which people of all ages stand a much higher chance of being injured or killed?

Two young lads were stabbed in Dundee at the weekend, apparently for no reason other than being in the wrong place. That happens all the time, up and down the uk, yet recieves less media coverage and outcry.

Child abuse is all to common, yet it appears to be up to charitable organisations to pick up the pieces.

The list goes on..

The Zohan

Morning, not saying all big dogs/breeds are going to rip into people at all.

Agree with your other areas of concern wholeheartedly and i think you will find me more vocal than most on these subjects and how to deal with them and ther lack of care and procativity dealing with them.

we are dealing with onther area of potential risk (as born out by the recent news stories) and this is what this thread is about - rather than move/deflect away from what is being discussed although TBH i think the subject is pretty much done.

Devildog

Absolutely.

What we need to do is ban stupid people

New_scooby_04

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Here is what Battersea Dogs home have to say about children and animals. Anyone who has got a dog from there knows that all animals and owners are screened for suitability and a home visit is made. I really do think that in most cases such rigiourous screening would help avoid some of the awful accidents that have been reported as of late.



Children

Most dogs and cats co-exist happily with children if they have lived with them from an early age. It is important that children are taught to respect animals and are not allowed to treat them as toys. For instance, teach children the correct way to pick up a cat. Pets need their own space, so children should not disturb your pet when he is sleeping or eating. Never leave a dog alone with children. Always supervise to ensure children do not tease or overexcite your pet.

Here is what they say about suitable homes for Rotties;

Battersea Dogs & Cats Home - Rottweilers1

As a rule, Battersea won't home Rotties and other large dogs with families with children. I guess they're of the opinion that it's better safe than sorry.

Ns04

The Zohan

Not half, most problems would be cured by doing just this...

Oh don't we will have peterbrand slobbering (like a rabid dog) over the thread and telling us just how wrong we are as there are no problems in the uk with people or indeed anything that needs fixing, it is all hunky dory and it is in our imaginations

Bless 'im

The Zohan

WTF do they know anyway

most of the chavvy 'look at me' owners know best...
Ok, it is not all chavs and Barrys. However, the people and animals with those people are the ones that need the help and advice the most. they do not see the need and there is no mechanism in place to prevent this or them from doing just what they like. That is a problem IMHO.

PeteBrant

Nah - i just rely on research and investigation for the real picture of crime/dog attacks - rather than the Sun. I think that's why we disagree so often.

Out of interest - How are you going to pay for this licensing and vetting? Is it coming out of my tax bill? What are you going to sacrifice to pay for this completely unneccesary scheme?

cookstar

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How did this warrant an infraction?

Jamo

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maybe because it adds no use to the thread and its just tosh? *wasnt me btw*

davegtt

Off course Poodles can attack

The New London Journal

I know I shouldnt but

But seriously
Poodle attack brings lawsuit - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Jamo

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TUT dave dont you know your not allowed to link from america because that dosent count! you should no better

The Zohan

Afternoon ya great leftie *******!

I thin it important that you put aside you side of things, i know we may differ, wwhere i may advocate coproral punishment or even custordial and hard labour i know that you prefer to just hug the scumbag criminals until they promise to give up a life of crime. It is good to disagree.

I will have you know that i read a veriety of papers to ensure a balanced view.
I read the Sun, Star and Mail and occasionally the Sport - but only for the in-depth sports coverage. If i had to pick a paper it would be the inde.

Look, you never let facts get in the way of your lentil munching liberal lovin view you have so why the hell should I.

Have a good un

New_scooby_04

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I find the lentils insulting!!!!

The Zohan

I am still waiting for the jolly pink infractor to infract me for using the 'G' word again.

I am not a lentil fan either.

Devildog

Aye,

if you'd called him an old *** you'd have been banned by now