I am pretty sure there must be a record on the ECU of the last date a map was loaded, so I am pretty sure the mapper would know and be able to tell you to sod off.

 

AndyF mapped mine and I have since raised the mid range boost and therefore altered the map in these areas to suit. I would never think of going back to the mapper and saying that it was there fault if I have caused it.

Now, if I map my mates car and it goes bang then thats a different story.

What I am saying is that the credability of the mappers on here would usually stop that from happening anyway. Thats either the mapping being wrong or the claims from the numpties.

Also, I dont ever remember getting a lifetime warranty from a mapper!!

 

If a mapper maps a car and the big end bearings fail - who is to blame if they were on their way out anyway?

If a mapper maps a car and the rods bend due to knock because someone put in 95 ron fuel and it was mapped to 99 - who is to blame?

If a mapper maps a car and anything else goes wrong ... I doubt very much whether any of the mappers will say - oh ok it must have been my error, here's a new engine.

Our cars - we take the risks with modification.

 

On 01 onwards 2.0 cars, if your Ecutek tuner has enabled the twin map set up and 'usertune' (no extra charge for the twin maps) then you can modify your own Ecutek map via a product from Ecutek called Deltadash.

Most of the open source guys buy this from Ecutek for checking and monitoring their maps as their their own software is not as highly developed.

More info here -

DeltaDash Live User Tuning

 

Delta dash is great but I would love Ecutek to sell their tuning software to the consumer market.

Having said that, ecuedit, ecuflash and enginuity have their own plus points.

 

How many would actually buy it though ? It would cost you over £10,000 for the software I currently use to cover from 1999 to the latest 2008 cars.

Ecutek will sell their tuning software to anyone that meets the criteria of
A - Proven tuner with premises.
B - Not on the doorstep (or within x miles) of another tuner.

I don't have any input to their marketing strategy but it seems reasonable to me that they want to maintain a professional image of their product

 

How do you unlock a map though Andy? I notice you charge a bit more to alter someone elses map not just tweak one of your own (quite rightly) but can you work on a car that has been mapped by someone else?

I'm thinking for example that someone could have the car mapped initially down south and then maybe move to Scotland for work and need a map tweak.

5t.

 

Any Ecutek tuner can overwrite another tuners map. They can only however edit their own map.
If I am editing an existing map of my own previous compilation, then it is not as involved as starting from scratch with a base map.

 

It seems fair of them to do it and to be honest it would downgrade the value of buying an ecutek license from a tuner's point of view if customers were no longer locked into using the current dealer network. You guys would be jumping at ecutek to argue for some of your investment back.

Still a shame though but open source does everything that I need it to do for the std ecu and if I need something better then there are stand alone ecu's out there to do the job.

btw - The user tuning feature does not open up full access to a user only a limited number of tables/parameters.

 

How many of us own every model from car from 99 to 08

Jokes aside, surely it would be considerably more affordable for a single vehicle model ... which is what most people would be interested in.

 

Or like they do with DeltaDash and open it to 3 ECU models.

 

Yea, that could work.

You mean similar to this, but with unlimited access and for UK cars !

ProECU Tools

Andy

Edited to add, that still doesn't give full access

 

well not really as that doesnt actually give any editing control to the user. they can load maps up that are pre prepared by an ecutek dealer.

it would be great for guys that you tune methanol mixes for track days by giving them the ability to swap back when finished.

 

I bought one of these from psi3 for £470 with the user tuning functions ...

Was told i would need to take it to a ECUTEK dealer to have the function opened and sould only be a small fee??

When i rang a few Dealers they told me i need to pay for a full remap of allmost £650 ??

Is this right ? I paid £470 for it and now i have to £650 for a remap so i can use the function ? is there anyway round this ... if i had know this i wouldnt have bought it and gone straight for a remap ?

Can you help at all please ?

Thx

 

I'm not sure exactly what you bought ? Deltadash with live user tune is only £215+v retail direct from Ecutek. There is a demo version available here if you want to compare.
http://www.ecutek.com/downloads/DDDemo.zip

Deltadash can be used on any 99 onwards ECU whether mapped or not, the live user tune can only alter an existing Ecutek mapped ECU on 01 onwards 2.0 cars.

To enable this in your ECU a dealer could I suppose just load a pair of totally std maps and only charge you a licence fee but it seems a bit of a waste ?

Andy

 

The interesting thing is that the free Deltadash demo can be used to analyse logs created by open source software Quite nice of them to do that

 

i got this one ... my ecu is standard (factory)

http://www.psi3.co.uk/index.php?act=...d&productId=47


I bought it for the user tune function on it ... but wish i hadnt now because its seem all ive bought is a very expensive data monitor that i could have bought for £125 !!

Is paying for a remap my only option here ? (other than selling it ?) lol


thx

 

think maybe psi3.co.uk should make it a bit clearer that you will need to have your car remapped if you want to use tuner function..

Scoobynet also recommends them ? that why i bought it ...... Im a bit disappointed ...

 

That is quite misleading, I wouldn't be happy with that either.

Maybe worth a call to express your disappointment and see what they say ?

 

allready did no reply .... think im goinna have to pay for a remap .. tought me a lesson tho..

And hope nobody else gets caught out ..

I know your that man to do remaps andy but i live in the midlands ...

 

If you don't actually want a remap but just access to usertune then you could send me (or Ecutek HQ) the ECU to programme with std maps for the cost of the licence only.
Just an option !

 

Dunx repeats !
I didn't mean to imply no-one else could ever map the ecu, only that it would cost another £200 to bung Ecutek as a result.
I'm happy to go back to "my" mapper, but what if some go under in the current harsh financial climate....

DunxC

 

and like has been said there is no £200 bung to ecutek needed

 

might be a little off topic.. but

how are the most recognised open source mappers on here?

Are there any?

I have used one up near Preston but that's long way to drive from nottingham

 

Zak from Mocom Racing is the best known o those. Mocom Racing - Performance car and trackday products

He works wonders 8)

I dont know of any around Nottingham

 

Are Power FC's lockable as well? I know a lot of the settings on mine are locked out to stop me fiddling with things I don't know about through the FC Commander, but does this mean that the actual remapping and numerous mapping tweaks that I've paid for several times are also locked down so that no other tuner can access them with a laptop? Or is this only on ECUTEK and more modern ECUs?

 

the powerfc can be locked via laptop, so some parts of the map are not alterable via the commander.. however by the laptop any mapper can unprotect them and map it.. however the previous settings disappear.. which is never a problem when you are remapping it anyway.

Simon

 

Cool that's exactly the answer I wanted.

 

no problem