The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

BBC NEWS | Wales | 'No U-turn' in cancer woman row

No one checked her eligability for treatment? But she got treatment. Try getting treatment in an EU country without an E111 (just changed to EHIC) or Holiday Insurance.

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Klaatu

She broke the law, had been flouting her legal obligations for several years prior to this event. The illness is secondary (And immigration aren't bothered so long as it isn't contageous, AND/OR a drain on public services). As a migrant, when you sign on the line of a visa applicatiopn form you are accepting all your legal, and societal (Good character, healthy, well etc), obligations. If you don't uderstand these obligations, you are entitled to an interpreter (It's part of the "service" which attracts a fee, of course). In the 5 years the immigration service would have been in contact with her, clearly she either refused to comply with immigration requests/requirements, or didn't understand. She did change her visa type from visitor to student, holders of student visas of more than 6 months may be entitled to some, not all, medical care via the NHS. If she didn't understand this, immigration service would have provided an interpreter (Please remember I am two times a migrant, and my wife is also a migrant too, ie, not British) to her. As fas as I am aware her English was adequate for visitor migrant purposes. It is very clear the immigration services, even after 5 years of being in breach of her legal obligations, were lenient, ie, they've REMOVED her, NOT deported her. She could well have been arrested and deported that very day.

As I know what it is like in Africa, I am not one bit surprised at her attempts to stay in the UK. Really, when you compare the UK with any African country, you guys really don't know how lucky you are. She had every opportunity to deal properly with immigration, cross "T's" and dot "I's", if she had she'd still be in Wales today.

Sad as it may be, she IS the creator of her own problem and immigration are bound by law to remove people who are in breach of visa requirements. She made no attempt to apply for a medical treatment visa after she became ill. Also, just to remind people about immigration services, most visas (For Africans at least) are granted in their home country, or a country hosting UK immigration services etc. For any visa to be granted, or changed, the applicant, usually, needs to be off-shore, ie, not in the country the visa is being applied for. So, I can see she may return on a new visa in the coming months.

Klaatu

As part of her visa application, she would have had to provide proof she has funds to support herself and medical insurance for the duration of the visa. Unless, of course, the immigration officer who issued the visa didn't check properly.

Martin2005

These are all very good points, and I'm sure you no more about the legal decision than most. But it's the moral decision that's questionable here not the legal one.

Klaatu

Then you need to lobby Govn't to change immigration policy. Many other seriously ill people, who break the law, suffer the consequences. I don't see any difference.

5 years is plenty enough time to deal with immigration and sort out her resident status. She chose to not bother with her obligations, ill or not, she is suffereing the concequences of her decisions.

There apperas, in the UK media at least, some confusion as to her resident status. Some claim she arrived on a visitor visa (For which you must be able to support yourself and have medical insurance), others claim it was a student visa, others claim she was a visitor and enroled in a course (A typical trick visitors play when they arrive).

I have been to Africa, waited in line and paid for medical services, just like everyone else.

There is no question about the decision immigration made. One could question the morality and the fact Ghana was a former colony which, of course, the UK benefited from.

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

Living in Cardiff, we are getting more than the national TV on this.

Here Visa had expired prior to her treatment beginning. It only lasted 3 years (student Visa) and a year after it had lapsed she is getting NHS Treatment. Don't get me wrong everyone is entitled to be treated but as already stated, she would not be headlines if the Immigration Office and herself had followed the law

myblackwrx

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How many immoral things has our government(s) done,plenty, and now people are getting upset about 1 person being kicked out.

Funkii Munkii

If she'd had morals in the 1st place and come forward when her visa was up then this wouldn't be a moral issue.


She deserved to go.

DCI Gene Hunt

If you saw a man dying in the road would you walk on past?


**** right or wrong, politics, borders and cash save somebodies life instead

Klaatu

Student visas have limitations too, long term students (6 months or more) may be entitled to NHS care. Regardless, the deed has been done, on both sides of the equasion, and now we await the fallout.

The Trooper 1815

iTrader: (31)

Depends on his Visa and pocket contents

We wouldn't be here if she had observed the Law, which as we know is an ***!

AngloSaxon

I think the poll voting speaks volumes....

PeteBrant

All the poll says is that the majority of Scoobynet members that voted would like to see her sent back - Nothing more.

Martin2005

It certainly does

Funkii Munkii

I think it just reflects what is happening to many of our towns and cities, and peoples feelings in general, alb eit fueled by the media and the forums.

AngloSaxon

Are Scoobynet members not citizens of the UK from all walks of life? Therefore offering a representative view of the feelings of the people of this country as a whole? Exactly what polls are meant to show surely?

stilover

Obviously on another website, the results would be different, wouldn't they?

Maybe people are just sick to death of immigrants. Made worse by watching the news last night. The Government happily gave 6500 ILLEGAL immigrants National Insurance numbers, then employed them in SECURITY.

How many more insurance numbers have they dished out?

They then come on TV and state it's the employers responsibility to check the employee is legal. They had a Nation Insurance number, so must be legally here, right?
No doubt the Government will inforce a crackdown by fining employers employing illegal imigrants who hold a National Insurance number issued by the Government FFS !!

stilover

As we don't agree with Martin2005 and Peterbrants view of allowing Hundreds of Millions of Tax payers money to be spent on careing for ILLEGAL immigrants, then we are all therfore **** racists.

We are also **** Racists for wanting illegal immigrants out of our country.

I'll meet you all at our next **** rally

Martin2005

Why do you keep saying things like this?

I've not said anything of the sort! Are you that unsure of your own views and morality that you need to put words into my mouth?

I would like an apology

stilover

OK, I appologise to you martin. You have not called me a **** or a Racist.

Everyone happy again

Leslie

The unfortunate thing is that you are so wound up( I could have used a much ruder expression of course!) about the excessive immigration which has been encouraged by this egregious bunch supposedly running the country in order to increase their share of the vote, that you just cannot see the point being made by the four of us at least who decry the act of sending that poor woman back to Ghana knowing that she will die a lingering and painful death because she will not get any treatment in Ghana.

There used to be such a thing as "Christian Charity" in this country. Pete quite rightly pointed out that can be equated to personal empathy for someone who is desperately ill and needs some real help in order to live for goodness sake. Don't knock it!

It is a matter of thinking about someone else besides just yourself when they are in such a terrible position. This is the situation where laws, regulations, statistics etc have no place in this argument. Trying to prove things with numbers which are so rarely accurate anyway mean nothing when all it takes is a bit of mercy towards someone who is in such an awful predicament.

Do you honestly think that we don't also feel the same way as you and so many others over the state that this country has been dragged into? Do you also think that we accept cases where a white person is threatened when entering certain "No Go" areas? Do you believe that we are lefties who want to destroy all that this country stands for or that we are bound by those pathetic PC principles? Do you think that we like the idea of suppressing images of Christianity in case we upset the minorities or that we like to have to listen to a tape recording of the Muezzin several time a day but cannot ring the church bells? Do you really believe that we want to see our national flags dragged down or that we want to see the Eu flag put up instead.

There are so many other things I could say of course, but the real point is that you have made a completely wrong assumption because of your biased and even blinkered views and you are castigating us for merely wanting to show a bit of Christian(or whatever you want to call it) mercy to a person who has apparently committed the gross sin of getting cancer and accepting the treatment offered to keep her alive.

Just don't bother to call us PC lefty plonkers because that we certainly ain't!

One day when you have maybe matured a bit and seen a bit more of life you might even understand what we are saying!

just keep hoping that one day you are not sitting in front of a doctor when he tells you that you have cancer, or that you find your brain is going a bit peculiar and you need constant help to continue to exist! What would you be prepared to do to ensure getting it?

Les

PeteBrant

This is hardly a sceintific poll - At the best of times, Polls are unrepresentative.

Also, Scoobynet is has a right wing bias - Take any issue, from the Death Penalty to Unemployment benefiot and can tell you what the result of apoll on scooby net is.

Scooby drivers that register on here, it seems, are Typically right of centre.

Martin2005

No worries

I also never said we should spend £100's of billions treating illegal imigrants BTW

PeteBrant

Tell you what, when the BNP get voted in, then I'll beleive everyone shares your views.

Until then, I won't. (and you have another thing coming if you thing the conservatives are going to stop immigration, even they aren't stupid enough not to realise it is an essential part of the economy)

PeteBrant

That would be a very odd thing to say in any event, considering it's utterly ridiculous.

Martin2005

Indeed

OllyK

Your talking about legal immigration again, when stilover's post was quite clearly about ILLEGAL immigrants, why do you seem to keep missing that rather important point?

Martin2005

Thats what I've been trying (and obviously failing) to say.

Great post

PeteBrant

Of course illegal immigrants should not be here. I have never said they should be. Unless they are obviously in need of urgent medical attention

I dont mind that a pound of my yearly tax bill goes to pay for someone treatment that hasnt paid for it if it saves thier life.

If you do, then you have my pity.

PeteBrant

stilover lumps in illegal immigrants in with the legal ones - Which has been displayed several times in this thread.

You may make the distinction, he does not.