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Terminally ill illegal sent home to Ghana
16 January 2008, 11:48 AM
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The unfortunate thing is that you are so wound up( I could have used a much ruder expression of course!) about the excessive immigration which has been encouraged by this egregious bunch supposedly running the country in order to increase their share of the vote, that you just cannot see the point being made by the four of us at least who decry the act of sending that poor woman back to Ghana knowing that she will die a lingering and painful death because she will not get any treatment in Ghana.
There used to be such a thing as "Christian Charity" in this country. Pete quite rightly pointed out that can be equated to personal empathy for someone who is desperately ill and needs some real help in order to live for goodness sake. Don't knock it!
It is a matter of thinking about someone else besides just yourself when they are in such a terrible position. This is the situation where laws, regulations, statistics etc have no place in this argument. Trying to prove things with numbers which are so rarely accurate anyway mean nothing when all it takes is a bit of mercy towards someone who is in such an awful predicament.
Do you honestly think that we don't also feel the same way as you and so many others over the state that this country has been dragged into? Do you also think that we accept cases where a white person is threatened when entering certain "No Go" areas? Do you believe that we are lefties who want to destroy all that this country stands for or that we are bound by those pathetic PC principles? Do you think that we like the idea of suppressing images of Christianity in case we upset the minorities or that we like to have to listen to a tape recording of the Muezzin several time a day but cannot ring the church bells? Do you really believe that we want to see our national flags dragged down or that we want to see the Eu flag put up instead.
There are so many other things I could say of course, but the real point is that you have made a completely wrong assumption because of your biased and even blinkered views and you are castigating us for merely wanting to show a bit of Christian(or whatever you want to call it) mercy to a person who has apparently committed the gross sin of getting cancer and accepting the treatment offered to keep her alive.
Just don't bother to call us PC lefty plonkers because that we certainly ain't!
One day when you have maybe matured a bit and seen a bit more of life you might even understand what we are saying!
just keep hoping that one day you are not sitting in front of a doctor when he tells you that you have cancer, or that you find your brain is going a bit peculiar and you need constant help to continue to exist! What would you be prepared to do to ensure getting it?
Wel, bugger trying that in any country like the UK, New Zealand and Australia if you are the "majority".
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There used to be such a thing as "Christian Charity" in this country. Pete quite rightly pointed out that can be equated to personal empathy for someone who is desperately ill and needs some real help in order to live for goodness sake. Don't knock it!
It is a matter of thinking about someone else besides just yourself when they are in such a terrible position. This is the situation where laws, regulations, statistics etc have no place in this argument. Trying to prove things with numbers which are so rarely accurate anyway mean nothing when all it takes is a bit of mercy towards someone who is in such an awful predicament.
Do you honestly think that we don't also feel the same way as you and so many others over the state that this country has been dragged into? Do you also think that we accept cases where a white person is threatened when entering certain "No Go" areas? Do you believe that we are lefties who want to destroy all that this country stands for or that we are bound by those pathetic PC principles? Do you think that we like the idea of suppressing images of Christianity in case we upset the minorities or that we like to have to listen to a tape recording of the Muezzin several time a day but cannot ring the church bells? Do you really believe that we want to see our national flags dragged down or that we want to see the Eu flag put up instead.
There are so many other things I could say of course, but the real point is that you have made a completely wrong assumption because of your biased and even blinkered views and you are castigating us for merely wanting to show a bit of Christian(or whatever you want to call it) mercy to a person who has apparently committed the gross sin of getting cancer and accepting the treatment offered to keep her alive.
Just don't bother to call us PC lefty plonkers because that we certainly ain't!
One day when you have maybe matured a bit and seen a bit more of life you might even understand what we are saying!
just keep hoping that one day you are not sitting in front of a doctor when he tells you that you have cancer, or that you find your brain is going a bit peculiar and you need constant help to continue to exist! What would you be prepared to do to ensure getting it?
Wel, bugger trying that in any country like the UK, New Zealand and Australia if you are the "majority".
Les
Facts are, she was here for some time and well, left for a "holiday", returned, visa expired, fell ill, and did nothing for at least a year to resolve that issue with immigration. No excuse, immigration have services available to migrants, all it takes is a call. She appeared to make all the right calls for everything else.
16 January 2008, 11:58 AM
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Then perhaps Scoobynet members are giving an indication of the feeling in our country....or perhaps I am just generalising....
16 January 2008, 12:14 PM
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Polls are next to useless - The only thing you can reliably say is that of those that voted "x" had the opnion that...
Anything else is supposition.
16 January 2008, 12:20 PM
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They have the treatment there, the British Govn't offered to pay for 3 months treatment, so she won't die. According to data, Ghana is ony 41% Christain!
Facts are, she was here for some time and well, left for a "holiday", returned, visa expired, fell ill, and did nothing for at least a year to resolve that issue with immigration. No excuse, immigration have services available to migrants, all it takes is a call. She appeared to make all the right calls for everything else.
Facts are, she was here for some time and well, left for a "holiday", returned, visa expired, fell ill, and did nothing for at least a year to resolve that issue with immigration. No excuse, immigration have services available to migrants, all it takes is a call. She appeared to make all the right calls for everything else.
How do you feel about the death penalty. Is whatever she is alleged to have done deserving of that?
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16 January 2008, 02:44 PM
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I agree with the death penalty for the most heinous of crimes proved 100%.
The woman has signed her own death sentence by her own actions as highlighted above by someone more knowledgeable of immigration/deportation proceedures than I.
16 January 2008, 02:49 PM
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No the point of a poll is to try and extrapolate wide spread opinion from a small smaple.
The problem is, is that many of them don't take into account any of the many variables that can polarise opinion - Thus rendering the poll entirely meaningless.
This applies to many many polls, carried out in a non scientific manner - and almost certainly to this one.
Example - Global warming. If you took a poll in Scooby net, whether you beleive it is due to man made CO2 emissions - you would end up with a result balanced much like this one, with only very few people saying "yes". Yet there have been nationwide polls saying the exact opposite.
Now you tell me, which one is lying?
The problem is, is that many of them don't take into account any of the many variables that can polarise opinion - Thus rendering the poll entirely meaningless.
This applies to many many polls, carried out in a non scientific manner - and almost certainly to this one.
Example - Global warming. If you took a poll in Scooby net, whether you beleive it is due to man made CO2 emissions - you would end up with a result balanced much like this one, with only very few people saying "yes". Yet there have been nationwide polls saying the exact opposite.
Now you tell me, which one is lying?
16 January 2008, 02:58 PM
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No the point of a poll is to try and extrapolate wide spread opinion from a small smaple.
The problem is, is that many of them don't take into account any of the many variables that can polarise opinion - Thus rendering the poll entirely meaningless.
This applies to many many polls, carried out in a non scientific manner - and almost certainly to this one.
Example - Global warming. If you took a poll in Scooby net, whether you beleive it is due to man made CO2 emissions - you would end up with a result balanced much like this one, with only very few people saying "yes". Yet there have been nationwide polls saying the exact opposite.
Now you tell me, which one is lying?
The problem is, is that many of them don't take into account any of the many variables that can polarise opinion - Thus rendering the poll entirely meaningless.
This applies to many many polls, carried out in a non scientific manner - and almost certainly to this one.
Example - Global warming. If you took a poll in Scooby net, whether you beleive it is due to man made CO2 emissions - you would end up with a result balanced much like this one, with only very few people saying "yes". Yet there have been nationwide polls saying the exact opposite.
Now you tell me, which one is lying?
This place has way too many 'alfa males' who are strong on rhetoric and short on understanding, to be truly representative of opinion at large.
16 January 2008, 03:04 PM
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No the point of a poll is to try and extrapolate wide spread opinion from a small smaple.
The problem is, is that many of them don't take into account any of the many variables that can polarise opinion - Thus rendering the poll entirely meaningless.
This applies to many many polls, carried out in a non scientific manner - and almost certainly to this one.
Example - Global warming. If you took a poll in Scooby net, whether you beleive it is due to man made CO2 emissions - you would end up with a result balanced much like this one, with only very few people saying "yes". Yet there have been nationwide polls saying the exact opposite.
Now you tell me, which one is lying?
The problem is, is that many of them don't take into account any of the many variables that can polarise opinion - Thus rendering the poll entirely meaningless.
This applies to many many polls, carried out in a non scientific manner - and almost certainly to this one.
Example - Global warming. If you took a poll in Scooby net, whether you beleive it is due to man made CO2 emissions - you would end up with a result balanced much like this one, with only very few people saying "yes". Yet there have been nationwide polls saying the exact opposite.
Now you tell me, which one is lying?
If we'd all said she should have been allowed to stay and got all the care she wanted, you'd have been happy with the outcome of the Poll. A Poll which I doubt you would have then said was useless.
16 January 2008, 03:06 PM
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Only because the Poll hasn't gone the way you wanted it to go.
16 January 2008, 03:07 PM
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Jesus Christ, are you being deliberately obtuse?
16 January 2008, 03:07 PM
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No the point of a poll is to try and extrapolate wide spread opinion from a small smaple.
The problem is, is that many of them don't take into account any of the many variables that can polarise opinion - Thus rendering the poll entirely meaningless.
This applies to many many polls, carried out in a non scientific manner - and almost certainly to this one.
Example - Global warming. If you took a poll in Scooby net, whether you beleive it is due to man made CO2 emissions - you would end up with a result balanced much like this one, with only very few people saying "yes". Yet there have been nationwide polls saying the exact opposite.
Now you tell me, which one is lying?
The problem is, is that many of them don't take into account any of the many variables that can polarise opinion - Thus rendering the poll entirely meaningless.
This applies to many many polls, carried out in a non scientific manner - and almost certainly to this one.
Example - Global warming. If you took a poll in Scooby net, whether you beleive it is due to man made CO2 emissions - you would end up with a result balanced much like this one, with only very few people saying "yes". Yet there have been nationwide polls saying the exact opposite.
Now you tell me, which one is lying?
For your global warming point, there is no conclusive evidence either way (that persuades me), a poll on opinion by non experts is a waste of time anyway. Regarding your point about variables in this case, there are a darn site fewer variables, and you don't have to be a scientist to figure this out. The point of this poll was not to extrapolate and find what the average UK citizen thinks, as quite obviously Scoobynet does not represent the UK demographic. However, I think you would find a high percentage agreeing with this polls findings.
16 January 2008, 03:16 PM
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17 January 2008, 01:02 AM
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The death penalty, as history proves, does not work as a deterant. I do not support it. In the case of this woman, she HAS NOT been served the death penalty, to think so is rediculous and just a result of media spin. The services she requires are available in Ghana, and the British Govn't offered to fully pay for 3 months treatment. 3 months would be enough time for her to process a medical treatment visa and be LEGALLY entitled to be in the UK and receive medical treatment. Which is what I suspect will actually happen.
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17 January 2008, 01:09 PM
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No, I wasn't trying to modify your post. I was in fact trying to highligh and reply to sections of your post, which were relevant, but I screwed up. LMAO
The death penalty, as history proves, does not work as a deterant. I do not support it. In the case of this woman, she HAS NOT been served the death penalty, to think so is rediculous and just a result of media spin. The services she requires are available in Ghana, and the British Govn't offered to fully pay for 3 months treatment. 3 months would be enough time for her to process a medical treatment visa and be LEGALLY entitled to be in the UK and receive medical treatment. Which is what I suspect will actually happen.
The death penalty, as history proves, does not work as a deterant. I do not support it. In the case of this woman, she HAS NOT been served the death penalty, to think so is rediculous and just a result of media spin. The services she requires are available in Ghana, and the British Govn't offered to fully pay for 3 months treatment. 3 months would be enough time for her to process a medical treatment visa and be LEGALLY entitled to be in the UK and receive medical treatment. Which is what I suspect will actually happen.
Well I disagree with what you say about the death penalty, history does in fact show that murders have increased since the death penalty was abolished. We see murders of one sort or another nearly every day now, whereas in the years when the death penalty was extant any murder was front page news!
Of course sending the poor woman back to Ghana was equivalent to a death penalty. The authorities knew full well that she would not be able to get the treatment that she needs to stay alive. The fact that it is available if you can afford those enormous fees is neither here nor there, She cant pay anyway! She will die an awful death while she is forced to remain in Ghana-what else can it be but a death penalty then? Seems pretty simple to me!
How can you be so merciless-thats what I can't believe!
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17 January 2008, 01:17 PM
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Well I disagree with what you say about the death penalty, history does in fact show that murders have increased since the death penalty was abolished. We see murders of one sort or another nearly every day now, whereas in the years when the death penalty was extant any murder was front page news!
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Did you also see where Klaatu pointed out that as she has not been deported, only removed, 3 months is plenty of time for her to reapply for a visa and in all likelyhood be sucessful?
17 January 2008, 09:26 PM
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BBC NEWS | Programmes | From Our Own Correspondent | Deported, abandoned and saved in Ghana
Some more on the story - for anyone who's interested
Some more on the story - for anyone who's interested
17 January 2008, 09:39 PM
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BBC NEWS | Programmes | From Our Own Correspondent | Deported, abandoned and saved in Ghana
Some more on the story - for anyone who's interested
Some more on the story - for anyone who's interested
Job done
17 January 2008, 10:31 PM
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"It's the National Health Service not the International Health Service," is a view I've heard a few times.
But there is a counter-argument. Turn up at a British hospital and do not be too surprised if the nurse or doctor who treats you is Ghanaian. With the drain of this exodus on the Ghanaian health service, some here suggest the UK might owe Ghana a favour or two.
Do they not get paid to work here
But there is a counter-argument. Turn up at a British hospital and do not be too surprised if the nurse or doctor who treats you is Ghanaian. With the drain of this exodus on the Ghanaian health service, some here suggest the UK might owe Ghana a favour or two.
Do they not get paid to work here
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"It's the National Health Service not the International Health Service," is a view I've heard a few times.
But there is a counter-argument. Turn up at a British hospital and do not be too surprised if the nurse or doctor who treats you is Ghanaian. With the drain of this exodus on the Ghanaian health service, some here suggest the UK might owe Ghana a favour or two.
Do they not get paid to work here
But there is a counter-argument. Turn up at a British hospital and do not be too surprised if the nurse or doctor who treats you is Ghanaian. With the drain of this exodus on the Ghanaian health service, some here suggest the UK might owe Ghana a favour or two.
Do they not get paid to work here
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No its just there wording, but if you look at the other way they are coming here to work and the britsh doctors and nurses are heading for the usa so does that mean i can go and get free health care over there, because theres a 4 year waiting list on the opp i need.
17 January 2008, 10:51 PM
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Sorry to hear you're waiting for treatment, 4 years
I think that the net effect is far more serious in Africa than it is here though
