stilover

Maybe you just don't want to admit to it?

PeteBrant

Of course there is something you can do about. There are political parties that support your view and if people would just take an interest and actually do something instead of moaning, then you might see a change.


The truth is, people are obviously not as concerned about the situation, otherwise things would change.

When the UK independance party, or the BNP gets a parliamentary seat, then you'll know the worm is turning.

PeteBrant

How much do they cost the state?

The Liberals estimate £1billion a year

Lib Dems want amnesty for illegal immigrants - Telegraph


Only another £5billion to lose (assuming its not catered from in the £12biullion costs)

stilover

Unfortunately we won't get chance for another 2 years. Gordon Brown knows Labour are out, that's why he didn't hold an Election.

dpb

Thats all fine then - maybe your suggesting the foreigners can eat grass and live somewhere out the way

Same population as us,it the people who create the wealth! since teh got their cap subsidies taken away

OllyK

Nope, but the one in question was.

stilover

Pete. The Government have admitted they don't know how many illegal immigrants are on our shores.

PeteBrant

Which is precisely why I used a figure from another political party.

OllyK

No, that isn't the question I asked.

Maybe it would be helpful if you found out the break down of the income and costs, as at the moment it seems you seem to be doing a lot of guessing.

PeteBrant

And so we come full circle.


Personally I do not beleive we should have deported her..

We did, so that's that.

OllyK

What makes you think the liberals have access to better figures than the government?

PeteBrant

The question you asked was in relation to the costs of illegal immigrants. If it wasn't , then it was a pointless questions


Yeah sorry, i have only supplied links for immigrant tax revenue and expenditure as well as immigrant numbers for france and the uk.

Compared to your reams of information its pretty poor

PeteBrant

Rightr so I can't use government figures because they aparantly can't trusted, but i can't use opposition figure either?


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SetoN

The government knows people want change! Why do you think they are brainwashing us along with the media about P.C? They brainwash you into thinking its racist to call a black board a 'black board', and its racist to sing 'bar bar black sheep' and hang st.George flags from your car. Its not racist but yet some people believe it because the media working with the government have done such a good job. Now with these views on peoples minds do you really expect them to go to a poll station and put a tick next to BNP? I think not! They cant even sing a nursery rhyme about a black sheep in public, let along vote for a party that the media portray as **** racists. So they continue to vote Labour as its the easy option and at least they will be able to sleep at night without thinking their a evil racist.

imho though, BNP need some serious modernisation before they can ever expect to get a seat in parliament.

SetoN

GC8WRX

This situation is so messed up, no one knows how many are in the country!

stilover

You can't use anyones figures. If nobody knows how many are coming into the country, they can't give figures as to how much they cost us.

Those of us who don't believe all the Government spin though, know there are far more coming into this country than the Government would ever admit to.

They are also costing us (the Tax payer) more than the Government would ever admit to.

It's called not cutting your own throat

PeteBrant

You can use estimates - that's all you can go on - and there are several sources - take an average and you won't be far off.

Still doesn't stop your assetion that all immigrants are freeloaders from being utterly blown apart, though.

OllyK

Not at all, the point was that the government have no idea how many illegal immigrants there are and their best and worst case guesses vary considerably. Now how do you plan to calculate the costs associated with the illegal immigrants when you don't know how many their are? Well you have to guess and when you're guessing about that how accurate are the guesses about the costs per illegal?


Frankly I don't care about those that are here legally, I'm not xenophobic, as far as I'm concerned this thread is about an illegal immigrant who has been returned home.

So keeping it on track, how many illegals are treated by the NHS each year and what is the average cost of that treatment? What effect is that having on waiting lists?

stilover

I've never said ALL immigrants are freeloaders. However I do believe (and I guess others on here do too) that more come here to freeload and come looking for work.

I have no problem with Polish coming here working and paying tax. I do however disagree that our government should allow them to claim benefits for their families still living in Poland.

I do think that there should be stringent limits on the number of immigrants coming here to work. I would rather a British person took the job and not a Polish person.

Martin2005

You're quite happy to believe the media's spin though aren't you, why is that.....?

PeteBrant

As above -

It won't be £6billion though. It wont be anywhere near.



It wont be a huge amount because as has been pointed out, the NHS will only treat iilegal immigrants in emergency cases. Unless under review

So will it effect waiting lists for hip replacements and other elective surgey? Nope. Will it affect transplants? Nope, because if you are an illegal immigrant you cant have one.

So the likely casualty (boom boom) of illegal immigrants with be A&E - I.e. emegencies. And waiting times in A&E are at thier lowest for years.


So I would say that the impact on services is pretty minimal.

As it stands, you have to have been a resident in the UK for a year, legally, to receive any sort of non emrgency treatment.

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OllyK

My point is that if the government have stated "they have no idea how many illegals there are" how on earth can the LibDems claim to know how many there are.

The whole are is full of SWAG with estimates ranging from 310,000 to 600,000. In your article the LibDems are on about an amnesty for those that have been here illegally for over 10 years, although there is no estimate given for what proportion that is. So it could actually be quite a small percentage of that potential 600,000 that would cost an extra $1 billion. So how much are the remainder costing the UK?

The figures just don't stack up because it's so full of bloody guesswork.

SetoN

Because their not the ones making 6 billion from them being here?

PeteBrant

Based on what though.

Given the fact that immigrants generate more revenue in taxes, than they take in services and benefit, how do you possibly come to that conclusion?

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

Blimey, DCI are you feeling ok?

Personally, I think this is a bit harsh and portrays the UK in a bad light. I'd certianly rahter money was spent on helping out someone who was entitled to be in the UK originally and who has sucumbed to a terminal illness whilst over here, than the hordes who come over here illegally from the outset with every intention of just milking benefits.

If immigration wanna get tough (and god knows they need to) lets start with the people who are illegal from the outset and those who commit crimes whilst over here, or who are simply not productive members of society by their own volition. Making an example of a terminally ill person does nothing to deter the above undesirables from trying it on, and is not in the spirit of a just and humane immigration policy!

Ns04

DCI Gene Hunt

The cold truth is that immigrants are hungry for work, they arrive and within a few weeks they're employed, some opening up their own businesses.

Where I live there are Polish shops and pizza/kebab shops opening all over the show, and guess what.. they're doing rather well.

I've yet to see an immigrant begging or dossing around, most are out working most of the time.

Its **** Germany all over again.... those bleddy Jews!!

DCI Gene Hunt

Pete Brant was right!! these sandals are SOOOO snug

Martin2005

I don't understand the point you are attempting to make

PeteBrant

Damn right, now stop hogging that Garlic Lentil bake.

New_scooby_04

iTrader: (4)

Argh.....must .......resist.....open......dooor.....to....bad... .taste.....joke.