Bar-Humbug!

Looks like SN's new breed of infraction happy trolls have won out over common sense and good humour.

Last night was a bad day for SN.

Wont bother posting in policy, i have more pride that to ask for the ban to be overturned, it should be through common sense, the way SN used to be policed.


Have a look as post #125 - i replied to Pete's post with a 'YES', it is obvious i was infracted as part of a plan to ban me, how could that be construed as offensive, trolling, rude and anything warranting an infraction - a priome example of how the system is being and allowed to be abused. What a joke.
Maybe the trigger happy and some might say scheming infractor should be the one facing a ban for misue of the system. I willl not be holding my breath on this one!

Perhaps the webmaster would care to comment on how he feels, i see this thread is lacking from any sort of input from him - that is a suprise and a shame.

I would imagine the mods have been warned off of commenting but the webmaster is in charge.

As for my ban, so be it, not suprising and not really bothered, a while back i might have meant something to me and maybe i needed to change my approach. Now i am afraid the infraction system is just a joke, used and abused so now meaningless to all but the saddos who abuse it.

Think i shall be spending less and less time on here until things change for the better, the infraction system and the saddos who think it their right to enforce their shoddy stds seem to be replacing the mod team, who always did a cracking job.

SN 2008 - i am truly sorry to say not a patch on the previous. Been here since 1999 and enjoyed it, not any more...

Supercue

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I have to confess that I'm more than a little shocked that the amount of abuse on the system is going unchecked. I just do not see the logic in allowing this to continue.


As I recall wasnt there supposed to be an instant ban for anyone found mis-using the infraction system?

Agreed, I have mentioned this in earlier posts but am still at a loss as to why he hasnt posted.

TBH I never expected to find so many people unhappy with the current system.


Now this I find the worst part of all. So many people have expresseed similar views

FFS webby will you not listen to what people want from this board? Or is it that you've made your money and screw everyone else?

<<Had enough and only been logged on 10minutes>>

DCI Gene Hunt

If this site is actually moderated I would expect 'someone' to actually pick up on the pathetic infractions dished out on here last night and reverse them WITHOUT the infracted having to actually post in policy.

This is a joke

Bar-Humbug!

It used to be that the mods policed SN with the support (by and large) of the members.

It seems that we not have the Infracrtors who act like the SN traffic wardens ticketing everything in site then deem as wrong.

The mods are chosen and have a set of rules that they stick to (by and large) and it appears the numerous self appointed traffic wardens do not really as this thread has proved.

The differences in standards are vast and it is clear to see why, the mods are chosen/asked to do what they do, the traffic warden just pay thier dues and can do as they like - or so it seems.

Like the police i think you will finds less and less support by the community it relies on.

Inaction and an apparent indifference is a poor show.


I am sure it will not be too long beofre i am banned (again) or infracted...

jods

Agreed - Remember the old saying "Power to the People"?
Now SN has been sold off it is much more important for the advertising streams to be maintained thru high usage, Perhaps if the vast majority of us who are unhappy with the current infraction system decided to boycott SN for a predetermined period it might give webby et al pause for thought.

If we control the advertising revenue - we control SN, In fact we ARE SN.

gazza-uk

maybe only PLUS members should dish out infractions, and if abused they should be banned.

Scoobychick

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Can I just point out that the moderators (who are all still active and quietly working behind the scenes) are unable to reverse infractions.

That job falls to Webby alone and if anyone feels that they've been unjustly infracted then please post in the policy section with the title 'Unjustified Infraction' so that Webby can have a look.

Leslie

Very sensible comment.

Les

Leslie

I would not make an infraction on principle and if someone offends I am quite capable of telling them how I feel about it.

Les

Bar-Humbug!

I have infracted a few people, people posting **** or spam or such or trolling.

Last resort really, i am much more likely (or at least i was until disagreeing and posting so got you infracted) to RTM if i feel action needs taking.

I did infract someone and immediately reaised the error of my ways (i had taken the comments out of context/spirit in which they where meant) . I emailed the webmaster and RTMd asking for it to be reversed as it was a mistake.
It took some 36 hours to get it reversed...but was reversed. Good show!

I emailed the person i had infracted to apologise and point out my course of action - i considered that the right thing to do.

Proper and considerate use of the system is easy and if a mistake is made it is easy to remedy.

This is not about mistakes, it is about a pattern of misuse imho.

Supercue

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Well somebody is watching this thread closely as I've had a post vaped

sockpuppet

This forum is rubbish. I can't believe someone told me it was good. LoL

Leslie

There is an easy answer to that of course!

Les

Bar-Humbug!

The team of mods have pretty much always done a great job (i know some will beg to differ) Ok then IMHO.

Currently this infraction culture seems to be out of hand and appears nothing is being done or maybe even this is the new face of SN and how it will be.

As i have said before it is very apparent to the mods and webmaster who is doing the infracting, all part of the software. The mods discuss this sort of thing in their forum and are very aware of what is going on i am sure

pslewis

I'll be careful in what I say here as I get accused of turning things around to me and thinking that it is pslewisnet and not ScoobyNet .... I'm not going to say that's right or wrong.

But, to illustrate a point, which is relevant to the discussion here, just before Xmas someone/group decided that I was to banned for Xmas and started Infracting me for anything and everything. It was clear what was happening, I didn't want to make a big thing of it so used the 'Contact Us' Button on the bottom of the page (thats about all you can do when banned!)

Result? Nothing ...... it's no good having a Contact Us button if it doesn't get read or acted upon.

So, I registered a new account and continued posting - sure in the knowledge that someone would rectify the old pslewis account eventually, nothing.

The Infractor/Group who banned me just before Xmas decided that my new account should be attacked too - this was, and a ban was quickly implemented.

Another account was created and I continued posting - this was reported to Webby who banned that account straightaway ..... that account had not acted in any particular way to justify a banning - it was banned simply because it was pslewis and he had been banned previously.

Paul, above, has been targetted and banned for no reason whatsoever .... he is too proud to post an Unjustified Infraction in Policy, fair play to him - I know how he feels and hate posting there as it looks like I am running to teacher ..... but sometimes thats the only way to avoid an unjustified ban.

I do think that the member who issues the Infraction which results in a ban should be named and have to give a clear reason why they have issued the Infraction which will result in a ban for that member. This will stop that final Infraction which bans someone - unless it is clearly justified.

Anyway, I await my Infraction for this post - I don't think one would be justified - but, hey-ho ..........

scoobynutta555

I was sure I posted on this thread too.

Perhaps it was my comment about SN now mirrors the sad society of prosecution and intollerance to opinion not shared with the elite we now live in

Scoobychick

iTrader: (1)

I've just had a look for you and no, you haven't had a post deleted on this thread

scoobynutta555

Thanks

Scoobychick

iTrader: (1)

No problem

Supercue

iTrader: (1)

Makes sense to me

Hoppy

At the time of writing, only 153 people have voted on this poll. That's a pathetically low figure, and disappointing. Does nobody really care? Most of the people that get infracted are the ones that make it interesting here

Richard.

kingofturds

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Everyone else is banned

Diesel

Best post here Nuff said

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Shark Man

The problem still existed when plus members had the privildge.

It needs to be combined with users who are established, by means of being registered on here for at least several years and posting well over 5000posts

There is a number of faceless core users on this forum who's mindset is quite frankly odd to say the least. Its a big problem, and making it paid only has shown not to work when infraction was first implemented, as some of which are willing top pay for the privilidge.

Maybe in time, if infraction was closely monitored and moderated, using the hueristic software available to the site webmasterer(s). The indiviuals responsible can be singled out and banned, and re-banned should they keep popping out the woodworm. (well, one can hope ).

This can apply to every forum user. But thus far its only aimed at the blatent and obvious trolls, not the populous en-mass.

The excuse can be too large a user base to manage. However the heuristic software and better moderation of the infraction system should manage this and single out the ones who are responisble who are incorrectly using the infraction system, and ban them and their aliases permanentally.

Also the people who use infraction need to be held accountable for their actions. And in light of the currently backwards method of handling unjustified infractions, the only way to do this would be for people to be able to see who issued said infractions, with a RTM system to flag infractions that people feel are unjust. This is a compromise, but I think the only valid alternative is for every infraction to be reviewed by a moderator before it is applied to a user.

It just needs someone at the top to give a f**k

gripper

What, so he can give the poster another infraction for asking about an infraction, and then lock the thread?

kingofturds

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Gripper there was a kid nicknamed that at school, he was caught "gripping his shaft" in the bushes whilst looking at a porno mag.

ex-webby

Guys

To be clear about a couple of points.

1) We are not going to show who has given the infraction. There are reasons for this, and they have been discussed many times. Find and offer a solution to these problems and we'll happily show the infractor.

2) The majority, even on this incredibly unfairly worded poll, have voted to keep the infraction system - which is fortunate, because IT IS STAYING.

3) The forums are a vastly better place since the infraction system was put in place, and we have no intention of changing.

4) There is a very clear, perfectly working and senseible system for dealing with the ineviatable unfair infractions that are given out from time to time, and it is proving to work beautifully. AND WILL CONTINUE.

THE INFRACTION SYSTEM IS STAYING.

MOANING AND WHINGING ABOUT IT WILL RESULT IN YOU RECEIVING INFRACTIONS OR BEING BANNED.

If you don't like the rules of this forum, nobody is forcing you to stay. But assuming you have a brain larger than that of a fly, you will realise that continuingly bashing your face against the window hoping that this time it won't be there, you'll realise that continuing to post outside of the rules will simply end with the same result each time.

Enjoy scoobynet, or go somewhere else. Stop boring us all with your whining.