davyboy

Interesting reading.

I'll get my garden peas from Asda now

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

While I in part agree he has at least managed to keep the party going a lot longer than the previous incumbents who, no doubt, you are going to be voting for at the next election

douglasb

Yes!

Spencer Perceval in 1812. (The only one that I am aware of).

warrenm2

all Labour Governments have spent themselves into a hole - when will people realise that ?

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Thats how it's always been, labour spend into oblivion, tories pick up the pieces and have to make tough decisions. labour come along and **** it all up again.
It's been the same since labour nearly bankrupted the Country after ww2,

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Keep dreaming mate - Maggie's reign must have passed you by then

Martin2005

ssshhhh dont point out the obvious nonsense in his posts, he gets all grumpy


ERM anyone?

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Northern rock anyone

Martin2005

I'm not defending anyone here, just trying to inject a touch of balance.

The problem with our political structure is that it lends itself to a seesaw economic climate, the Tories get in and cut spending and services suffer, Labour get in and spend too much on services to rectify the situation (as they see it), and round we go again.

Plague on both their houses

What we need is genuine reforms in our public services, so that the money that is spent is spent properly and efficiently, the party that can do that will get my vote

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Look what she inherreted a shambles from James callaghan, inflation at 27% labour imposing shambolic below inflation rises on public sector workers. And public sector workers up in arms ,sound familiar

She made mistakes but she also had to clear up the utter shambles that wilson and callaghan had left this country in.

Martin2005

I agree Mrs T did do a lot of things hat needed doing, particularly breaking the backs of the unions that had dragged our ecomony relentlessly backwards.

It's also fair to say that there were some less than happy moments as well.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

She and her party had 18 years and they laid the bedrock of today's society with their greedy dog eat dog sleeze ridden culture that spread through their internal politics as well as the nation as a whole.

Granted this current shambles have massively fanned the flames and started a few fires of their own, but anyone on here who thinks voting the Tories back in is going to end up making things any better is sadly deluded.

Prasius

iTrader: (1)

What a fine "Old-Labour" sounding post this is.

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Not at all - I just think the SN NSR 'everything will be all right if we vote them out' brigade is going to get a bit of a shock when they find Cameron's mob are just the same. Still nothing like blind faith is there?

dynamix

iTrader: (3)

Oh, thats alright then, lets just put up with this bunch who :

- commit purgery and law break to further their own pockets
- dishing out peerages to those that line their pockets and then deny it
- display utter incompetence in managing the economy
- misuse their power for own personal advantage
- dumb down politics so as to force the general public to have apathy towards politicians giving them more power to make so called 'difficult decisions' on our behalf
- display utter incompetence in managing immigration
- display utter incompetence in managing the health service
- display utter incompetence in managing the road network
- display utter incompetence in managing the public transport system
- fail to look after the welfare of the UK public
- give away our decision making to Brussels
- give US free reign to treat us as their lap puppy

I could go on.

Nice record there Gordon

A change will come and the Conservatives have always historically cleared up the mess left by incompetence. To try and repay our national debt which is at record levels, reduce the balance of payments, and try and re-establish some national assets will take some doing... let alone addressing the issues of running the country (or rather let it run itself and butt out of our lives)

Butty

iTrader: (2)

I'm afraid it was Conservative Churchill who did that.
He gave our *** on a plate to the US so that they would play ball and let us be on their side during the WW2.
So much for the "special relationship" - the US acquired our riches, land and technical expertise.
Unfortunately the other choice was the pleasant Mr Hitler, so we were rather stuffed.

Anyway, enough bleating, there's plenty of progressive and more appealing countries to emigrate to.

nick

lozgti

I don't understand how everyone in the country knew it would all go belly up and yet he still wanted the number one job.It's like pleading with the captain of the Titanic for his job just prior to iceberg.

Must be very very important to him to be very very important

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Yes, but all that could equally apply (and did) to the previous government or are you really that forgetful.

Not saying we should vote this lot back in again, but we are doomed no matter which way we vote. Sorry if that bursts your bubble and all that

Martin2005

Looks like my plea for balance fell on deaf ears


BTW all 'facts' you state are actually opinions, let us not get the 2 confused

Klaatu

It's the people in the halls of power, behind the puppets we see on TV we call MP's etc, who are in real control.

Be afraid, nothing will change, for the betterment of the "ordinary guy on the street".

CrisPDuk

This probably counts as incitement under Gordon's new rules but what the hell



Our American cousins do have the odd good idea occasionally

Devildog

All fair points, but never mind the policy decisions - that guppy fish breathing thing he does is enough for me to want rid of the man

That and the fact that, IMO, he's a complete ****wit

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Good points well made, he's history

Leslie

Quite right KOT. and the Conservatives left the economy stronger than it had been in living memory when they lost power, only to have this plonker let it all bleed away and make things look good by encouraging people to go into massive debt with cheap money. As well as the mindlessly stupid sale of half our gold reserves-which we may desperately need before too long. He set a record for government borrowing to maitain this facade and we will be very lucky if the whole house of cards does not oollapse. And I have not even mentioned Northern Rock yet!

At least Old Labour did some good for the people of the country after WW2.

Les

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

I also worry about what the next council tax increase is going to bring I fear it's gonna be a big hike living down here in the south. I was too young to have to worry about poll tax but surely it is reaching the same sort of levels is it not?

Inflation rates seem to bear no relation to reality either, when you factor in rent,food petrol prices and council tax I am a good £300-350 a month worse off than 7 years ago. I can't see the tories changing them to bear something like reality either. That would be political suicide adjusting rates from 2% to something like 9-10%

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

I don't think this is it at all.

I've been saying for some time now that I am convinced that the scruffy Scots pension thief was DESPERATE to be PM BEFORE the economy could be shown to be obviously in meltdown.

THEN he thinks he can stand back and say, "Not me guv. It was my successor".

Unfortunately for him, I don't think the British public are quite so naieve(sp?)

Alcazar

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

I don't know about naive, stupid maybe

SJ_Skyline

Notice that Gordon announces any new initiatives whilst the minister whose department would cover the initiative hovers in the background. Likewise, when it all goes t1ts-up (as these often do), Gordon the moron is nowhere to be seen whilst the minister umms and errs their way out of it in front of the media.