16 year old girl gang raped,and mutilated with acid
17 January 2008, 10:19 PM
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Looking in from the outside England appears to be turning into a real **** hole.Surely with attacks like these serious penaltys must be handed out,even if it means the death penalty,Garry Newloves case is another prime example.I believe its time to forget about the scums rights who do these acts,to me your rights go out the window when you commit these acts.Think about what the country will be like in 5-10 years.
17 January 2008, 10:34 PM
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I watched a film a couple of weeks ago called "The girl next door" - not the pornstar 1
It was a sick film at the end and it was based on a true story of a girl having to live with her aunt + cousins.
the aunt was the ringleader who tortured the girl and encouraged her sons and their friends to do the same and ended up with the auny mutilating the girl and using a blowtorch to make sure she never had sex again
very shocking but even moreso when you realise it actually happened
It was a sick film at the end and it was based on a true story of a girl having to live with her aunt + cousins.
the aunt was the ringleader who tortured the girl and encouraged her sons and their friends to do the same and ended up with the auny mutilating the girl and using a blowtorch to make sure she never had sex again
very shocking but even moreso when you realise it actually happened
17 January 2008, 10:45 PM
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We are also seeing a lot of English moving here,we dont have the same immigrant problem that you have in the mainland,although we do have to many Eastern Europeans.
Through my work I meet alot of enginneers from the mainland and they are really surprised with the lack of blacks,asians,etc out of 1000 people maybe 1-2 would be coloured.
17 January 2008, 10:47 PM
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well, the thing that makes me sick is that imigrants are coming in.
(some good,some bad).
The government dont do much to stop it.
Then we, as tax payers have to listen to the adverts on the radio about ,it being against the law to employ an imigrant who is not registered.
That to me makes it sound like its all our fault.
They let them in, then blame us.
And who is paying for all the millions of pounds of adverts. US AGAIN.
know wonder we pay so much tax.
If it was hard to get in here, we would not have wasted money on adverts.
Dont get me wrong there is good amongst the bad, which could help the country.
Cheers mate. just a bit of misunderstanding.No worries.
Thats what i was saying about us all sticking together.
some things need to be seen to the government that we dont like how its run.
(some good,some bad).
The government dont do much to stop it.
Then we, as tax payers have to listen to the adverts on the radio about ,it being against the law to employ an imigrant who is not registered.
That to me makes it sound like its all our fault.
They let them in, then blame us.
And who is paying for all the millions of pounds of adverts. US AGAIN.
know wonder we pay so much tax.
If it was hard to get in here, we would not have wasted money on adverts.
Dont get me wrong there is good amongst the bad, which could help the country.
davegttOk, my apologies, you picked out a selective group rather than an individual. Either way, off course we have rights, its a matter off standing up for ones self and getting support behind each other.
Thats what i was saying about us all sticking together.
some things need to be seen to the government that we dont like how its run.
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17 January 2008, 11:59 PM
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, In answer to your question, if there are then it is likely to be because of racist attitudes within the criminal justice system. A recent detailed analysis of crime in this country and the effectiveness of the criminal justice system indicated that offending rates were pretty much even across all ethnic groups.
However, black people are six times more likely than white people to be stopped and searched, the arrest rate among for black people is around three times that of white people, young black people are more likely to be refused bail than young white people, black males are more likely to be sentenced than both Asian and white offenders and if sentenced to custody, were more likely to get a longer sentence than their White counterparts, numbers of arrests per 1,000 population were more than three times higher for Black people than for others.
Which is odd if white people commit the same proportion of crime per head of population.
It remains horrific that this specific crime was committed and the perpetrators will hopefully receive life sentences, the maximum for violent rape. However the use of mutilation, acid or rape as a horrific tool in the expression of power is not unique to blacks.
18 January 2008, 01:58 PM
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So would you have said you were not surprised if they were five white men?
In answer to your question, if there are then it is likely to be because of racist attitudes within the criminal justice system. A recent detailed analysis of crime in this country and the effectiveness of the criminal justice system indicated that offending rates were pretty much even across all ethnic groups.
However, black people are six times more likely than white people to be stopped and searched, the arrest rate among for black people is around three times that of white people, young black people are more likely to be refused bail than young white people, black males are more likely to be sentenced than both Asian and white offenders and if sentenced to custody, were more likely to get a longer sentence than their White counterparts, numbers of arrests per 1,000 population were more than three times higher for Black people than for others.
Which is odd if white people commit the same proportion of crime per head of population.
It remains horrific that this specific crime was committed and the perpetrators will hopefully receive life sentences, the maximum for violent rape. However the use of mutilation, acid or rape as a horrific tool in the expression of power is not unique to blacks.
In answer to your question, if there are then it is likely to be because of racist attitudes within the criminal justice system. A recent detailed analysis of crime in this country and the effectiveness of the criminal justice system indicated that offending rates were pretty much even across all ethnic groups.
However, black people are six times more likely than white people to be stopped and searched, the arrest rate among for black people is around three times that of white people, young black people are more likely to be refused bail than young white people, black males are more likely to be sentenced than both Asian and white offenders and if sentenced to custody, were more likely to get a longer sentence than their White counterparts, numbers of arrests per 1,000 population were more than three times higher for Black people than for others.
Which is odd if white people commit the same proportion of crime per head of population.
It remains horrific that this specific crime was committed and the perpetrators will hopefully receive life sentences, the maximum for violent rape. However the use of mutilation, acid or rape as a horrific tool in the expression of power is not unique to blacks.
You are correct when you say blacks stand a better chance of having a custoial conviction, however (from the Home Office)
"Offences committed by Black young offenders were more likely to attract a
custodial sentence when compared to offences committed by other ethnic groups.
However, it is important to bear in mind that the decision to impose a custodial
sentence can be influenced by a variety of factors including the nature and
seriousness of the offence."
The HO also goes on about those from ethnic minorities are quite overrepresentitive on figures for arrest. Surely this must be due t the racist attitudes of police and the criminal justice system, ho ho!
Nobody is saying rape and violence is commtted by blacks alone. But, per % of the population they DO commit more of these crimes. Sorry if this goes against your point of view, but there it is.
18 January 2008, 03:55 PM
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hopefully he (along with the 4 others) will be convicted of this. the chances are the judge will name & shame them all, just like the two who killed Jamie Bulger and the 3 convicted this weel of the murder in Warrington
18 January 2008, 05:05 PM
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To reduce this discussion to the level of "there is a higher proportion of black men convicted of crime, therefore it must be because they are black/immigrants" is over-simplistic, misleading and quite frankly dangerous. There are many contributing factors, including the fact more come from poor backgrounds (do you really think professional middle class black men are more likely to commit crime??), the larger number of one-parent families, no black father figure/role model etc. If young black men feel they are being stigmatised unfairly by such views then they are more likely to withdraw into gang type culture and the situation will get worse. Many have said we should take a harder line, lock up more people for longer, death penalties etc. But if you step back and analyse it, does that really work? The US model is the one most seem to be advocating but if that's what we're trying to copy then God help us all.
I'm not saying there are no problems, there clearly are. The "lock'em all up and close the borders" rhetoric sounds tough, but sending more people into prison (our universities of crime) and expending less effort on trying to rehabilitate them isn't really a recipe for improving society.
I don't claim to have the answers, but some of the views expressed i this thread worry the hell out of me.
I'm not saying there are no problems, there clearly are. The "lock'em all up and close the borders" rhetoric sounds tough, but sending more people into prison (our universities of crime) and expending less effort on trying to rehabilitate them isn't really a recipe for improving society.
I don't claim to have the answers, but some of the views expressed i this thread worry the hell out of me.
18 January 2008, 05:07 PM
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So would you have said you were not surprised if they were five white men?
In answer to your question, if there are then it is likely to be because of racist attitudes within the criminal justice system. A recent detailed analysis of crime in this country and the effectiveness of the criminal justice system indicated that offending rates were pretty much even across all ethnic groups.
However, black people are six times more likely than white people to be stopped and searched, the arrest rate among for black people is around three times that of white people, young black people are more likely to be refused bail than young white people, black males are more likely to be sentenced than both Asian and white offenders and if sentenced to custody, were more likely to get a longer sentence than their White counterparts, numbers of arrests per 1,000 population were more than three times higher for Black people than for others.
Which is odd if white people commit the same proportion of crime per head of population.
It remains horrific that this specific crime was committed and the perpetrators will hopefully receive life sentences, the maximum for violent rape. However the use of mutilation, acid or rape as a horrific tool in the expression of power is not unique to blacks.
In answer to your question, if there are then it is likely to be because of racist attitudes within the criminal justice system. A recent detailed analysis of crime in this country and the effectiveness of the criminal justice system indicated that offending rates were pretty much even across all ethnic groups.
However, black people are six times more likely than white people to be stopped and searched, the arrest rate among for black people is around three times that of white people, young black people are more likely to be refused bail than young white people, black males are more likely to be sentenced than both Asian and white offenders and if sentenced to custody, were more likely to get a longer sentence than their White counterparts, numbers of arrests per 1,000 population were more than three times higher for Black people than for others.
Which is odd if white people commit the same proportion of crime per head of population.
It remains horrific that this specific crime was committed and the perpetrators will hopefully receive life sentences, the maximum for violent rape. However the use of mutilation, acid or rape as a horrific tool in the expression of power is not unique to blacks.
Interesting how you see things, most if this is covered by others but i do wish to take you to task about something which is just not right.
Mutillation with acid, lets just get that right and straight shall we
The mutilation is a side effect and i am in no way belittling that. But the reasons behind it and the lack of respect for human life are the issues, the caustic soda was used on this poor girl to cover their tracks so to speak, just so they could get away with it. It could have killed her and will most likely the physical side effects of the cuastic soda (let alone the phsycoligical) side effects) ruin her life anyway. The was a premeditated act of horric proportions the suffering this would have caused would be unimaginable and all because they did not want the DNA showing up they where prepared if fact came prepared with the materials to do this, no spur of the moment act - PREMEDITATED. The use of the acid is nothing to do with power over the victim.
Re power over the victim - I think you will find most rape victims, prepetrators and shrinks will agree that Rape is pretty much the biggest expression of power and control!
Rape is pretty common in SSA and yes in which case amongst blacks. Respect for women and womens rights are often non-existent so little deterrant or punishmnet or even anyone caring in some cases.
For the record, i do not feel that the colour/ethnicity of the victim is of any importance, the victim is a victim no mater what colour and i do not feel this has any bearing.
For the record i know rapes are comitted by whites, a close family friend was raped by a white policman (tried and convicted) in the 80's, so i do have some experience of this terrible crime. No, i do not think all cops are rapists!
The ethnicity (certianly more that the colour) of the perpetraitors does bother me and this is why.
Are they English nationals - Born here
Are they asylum seakers/immigrants
Are they here legally or illegally.
Have they committed other crimes - if so why are they still here.
Reasons i want to know are simple - i want to know if ourt immigration system works, is it letting in the right or wrong sort of people, performing the right sort of checks and if people are committing crimes then deporting them.
If not then i want something done about it. I do not want to be importing problems from outside the UK, we have enought home grown scumbags to deal with already!
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18 January 2008, 07:13 PM
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Yet another case of reading what's not there then commenting with a high handed attitude.
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I'm not saying there are no problems, there clearly are. The "lock'em all up and close the borders" rhetoric sounds tough, but sending more people into prison (our universities of crime) and expending less effort on trying to rehabilitate them isn't really a recipe for improving society.
Dave
18 January 2008, 08:01 PM
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Yes, in some cases i would say some people should not ever come out - Huntley for example, if these lads are convicted then i do feel that they should be left to rot, not too sure you can rehabilitate people who have so little regard for human life.
18 January 2008, 08:10 PM
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And I have said as soon as it was found that the guy was white, oohh what a surprise too. As most serial sex killers are white males. People look for racism where it's not there, read a truth they don't like and immediately shout prejustice.
18 January 2008, 10:30 PM
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I'd inject drainer cleaner into those blokes ball sacks and see how they like it. Then I'd hang them very, very slowly. The time has come to take the law into our own hands - lynch mobs.
18 January 2008, 10:34 PM
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And there's the traffic in Henley too - another subject though!
19 January 2008, 10:19 PM
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The thing is mate, the Jamie Bulger kids was named, at the time.
But now they have new identities etc. To protect them. (new lives)supposed to be moving abroad too.
Jamie was not protected.
20 January 2008, 12:56 AM
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SN is evolving into a wing of the BNP. It's always been right wing, but has become very Nazieasque of late.
Let's blame everthing on Asians, black people and eastern europeans.
Feel free to infract - a ban won't make much difference as I tend not to bother with this sad site much now
20 January 2008, 02:28 AM
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Don't look to America for Justice, they hang juveniles, the mentally handicapped and last (but not least) the innocent! For every 7 executions–486 since 1976–1 other prisoner on death row has been found innocent. that means 6 of the 47 people executed last year were (statistically) probably innocent!
As for other capital punishments, can they sew your **** back on after 10 years if your found innocent?
If you're convicted of a crime prison should not be a nice place, (x-boxes etc etc) Hard labour, bring it on.
Black, White I don't care if you commit the crime you do HARD time.
BTW. blockading motorways won't make the country more English, it'll make it French!
As for other capital punishments, can they sew your **** back on after 10 years if your found innocent?
If you're convicted of a crime prison should not be a nice place, (x-boxes etc etc) Hard labour, bring it on.
Black, White I don't care if you commit the crime you do HARD time.
BTW. blockading motorways won't make the country more English, it'll make it French!
20 January 2008, 11:21 AM
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20 January 2008, 11:22 AM
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It always does.
SN is evolving into a wing of the BNP. It's always been right wing, but has become very Nazieasque of late.
Let's blame everthing on Asians, black people and eastern europeans.
Feel free to infract - a ban won't make much difference as I tend not to bother with this sad site much now
SN is evolving into a wing of the BNP. It's always been right wing, but has become very Nazieasque of late.
Let's blame everthing on Asians, black people and eastern europeans.
Feel free to infract - a ban won't make much difference as I tend not to bother with this sad site much now
20 January 2008, 02:22 PM
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Hmmm, comments like add what to this thread: "The sort of poeple who seem to..." sounds just like the sort of language used by some of the more right wing views doesn't it.
It is just easy to call everyone racist and whine on about how SN is turning right wing, put the other side in a constructive way - change opinions, play devils advocate - constructively contribute
Not much to ask
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