Is this Normal
17 January 2008, 06:21 PM
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The damage I refer to is that those affected take umbridge. Threads like this appear unecessarily. Bandwith is wasted. Your time is wasted.
Take it in context mate.
OK. Unless we have a very large population of cambodians, an abnormally strong gay community, loads of women who have male usernames, a lot of very famous people that often get mentioned on here, people who represent entire nations, groups, religions, and sects. Then, you're right, I've just taken a massive leap of faith. Be aware, I actually HAVE the information. You're just guessing.
Agreed. So we put measures in place to counter this. Let's go absolutely wild and say that 50 people are doing this. If they really were just crazy, infracting everyone all the time, we'd have LOADS more infractions, which indicates that they don't. Let's now assume that each one infracts someone unjustly once a day. It would take a little over 6 weeks before every one of them was banned. IF THE GUIDELINES WERE FOLLOWED. How hard could this be? The fact is this isn't the case, and I have only seen a very small handful of cases where people really are just abusing the system. (way less than 10 people). How do you explain that?
Nothing's perfect. We have to do the best with what we have, and we have all sorts of skills in place to a) counter that, b) recognise it, c) deal with it and finally d) account for it with judgement and experience. If we've got it wrong for nearly a decade, and our judgement is so bad, then I really don't understand why the forum is so popular.
Correct, and as I have said numerous times, the VAST majority simply don't care either way, they're just happy with the forums. This is quite a different situation to 2 years ago where we received continual slating for not dealing with the massive overpowering force of all the trolls. It was impossible to have a decent conversation on here without the thread being totally spoilt by idiots. Well, guess what, we did something about it, but some people are still not happy
It isn't creating a great deal of derision at all. Its a very small number of people who actually care about this that much. Most people just come to scoobynet to (shock horror) talk about cars, or whatever else they fancy. Not "scoobynet is the devil and trying to take away our humanity".
It isn't creating a great deal of derision at all. Its a very small number of people who actually care about this that much. Most people just come to scoobynet to (shock horror) talk about cars, or whatever else they fancy. Not "scoobynet is the devil and trying to take away our humanity".
Again, please be clear. It's a MINUTE MINORITY. Not "the membership". "The membership" are quite happy as can be clearly seen.
This isn;t a democracy though Simon. Its a BBS where one person shouting loud enough can have a disproportionate effect.
You've personally been telling me for about 5 years how I'm destroying scoobynet, and cockily chortling to me about how it will all be down around my ankles within 12 months. Quite the oposite keeps happening though, so even you have to sooner or later think "hold on.. maybe its me that's wrong after all?".
I've admitted to being wrong on numerous occasions. Being "right" isn't the issue here, its about encouraging constructive debate. It's about challenging to encourage thought. I don't care if I'm right or wrong, I'm not that insecure. I applaud the ongoing success of Scoobynet. And I applaud you for the benefits it has brought you.
I also know you well enoguh to know your stubornnes and arrogance. You've posted things like this for years, and yet your absolutely cast iron confident statements of prediction NEVER come true. Yet you have the confidence to keep coming back and telling me the same thing over and over. At what point will you say "hmm.. hats's off. You were actualyl right all along?".. or would it not matter WHAT actually happened, you'd still think you were right?
Its the way I am and you have, from day 1, taken me way out of context. All you know me from is a few emails, some private messages/MSN convos and my posts.
Its regretful that its become personal from your perspective, and you feel the need to attack my character publicly on this BBS.
I really hope you've taken at least some of this onboard, as you never seem to. Yet I'm giving it one good go here in the hope I'll be proven wrong.
17 January 2008, 06:35 PM
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The damage I refer to is that those affected take umbridge. Threads like this appear unecessarily. Bandwith is wasted. Your time is wasted.
I'm here for the good of the community, and if 1 person in a thousand ends up (for an hour maybe) feeling a little sad that they received an infraction, well.. I'm willing to accept that.
Lets not be ridiculous here. It's hardly the end of the world, and if you really do think it is, then I'm afraid we just operate on a totally and utterly different plane of existence. I would also admire your life as you'd clearly have absolutely nothing else to worry about.
Based on the fact that no one I know whe's issued an infraction has ever been called to say why. So, by definition you cannot have all the information.
I can't explain it - you hold all the info. I would suggets that it depends on the person and the approach they take. Look what Hitler achieved. Think of the chaos that (no pun intended) Chaos created. But if its not really a problem that's great - but then why is it perceived (and not by me) to be?
You're fighting a corner that doesn't seem to exist anymore. Its been dealt with. People, quite understandably, didn't understand the infraciton system properly, and needed to get some frustration off their chest. The infraction system is totally infallable, if we just work with it.
Agreed. But why settle for good, when it could be great?
regarding the rest of your post, I'll just leave it, and end with this..
This is your chance D. Tell me EXACTLY what you think we should do. Really clearly. Don't need to know why.. Just tell me what you think we should do. It should only be a few bullet points.
Then we can tear your ideas to peices, or hail you as the genius that saved scoobynet from certain self destruction.
17 January 2008, 06:48 PM
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That's what life is like. Things that are worthwhile require effort. We can go back to the trolling sess pit we had 2 years ago, or we can try to deal with it. If people really are THAT sensitive a soul that they get genuinely upset about being given an unjustified infration from some low life pond scum, then there is little I can do to help them.
I'm here for the good of the community, and if 1 person in a thousand ends up (for an hour maybe) feeling a little sad that they received an infraction, well.. I'm willing to accept that.
Lets not be ridiculous here. It's hardly the end of the world, and if you really do think it is, then I'm afraid we just operate on a totally and utterly different plane of existence. I would also admire your life as you'd clearly have absolutely nothing else to worry about.
No idea what that's supposed to mean. Please clarify what information you don't think I have and how that relates to your original point.
Right. This thead has stopped. Everyone seems to have understood now. Yet you're the only one carrying it on.. and the bombshell, is that ("and not by me") you don't even have a problem with it???
You're fighting a corner that doesn't seem to exist anymore. Its been dealt with. People, quite understandably, didn't understand the infraciton system properly, and needed to get some frustration off their chest. The infraction system is totally infallable, if we just work with it.
The world isn't made of magic dust. Nothing is perfect. Tell you what. Enlighten me. Give me your wisdom. What should we do, and why would that improve things? If its even remotely workable, I may just well run it, to give you centre stage, so you can (for once) stand up and actually prove yourself and your opinions to be valid, rather than just always sniping at mine from the sidelines. This is your chance to prove it.
regarding the rest of your post, I'll just leave it, and end with this..
This is your chance D. Tell me EXACTLY what you think we should do. Really clearly. Don't need to know why.. Just tell me what you think we should do. It should only be a few bullet points.
Then we can tear your ideas to peices, or hail you as the genius that saved scoobynet from certain self destruction.
I'm here for the good of the community, and if 1 person in a thousand ends up (for an hour maybe) feeling a little sad that they received an infraction, well.. I'm willing to accept that.
Lets not be ridiculous here. It's hardly the end of the world, and if you really do think it is, then I'm afraid we just operate on a totally and utterly different plane of existence. I would also admire your life as you'd clearly have absolutely nothing else to worry about.
No idea what that's supposed to mean. Please clarify what information you don't think I have and how that relates to your original point.
Right. This thead has stopped. Everyone seems to have understood now. Yet you're the only one carrying it on.. and the bombshell, is that ("and not by me") you don't even have a problem with it???
You're fighting a corner that doesn't seem to exist anymore. Its been dealt with. People, quite understandably, didn't understand the infraciton system properly, and needed to get some frustration off their chest. The infraction system is totally infallable, if we just work with it.
The world isn't made of magic dust. Nothing is perfect. Tell you what. Enlighten me. Give me your wisdom. What should we do, and why would that improve things? If its even remotely workable, I may just well run it, to give you centre stage, so you can (for once) stand up and actually prove yourself and your opinions to be valid, rather than just always sniping at mine from the sidelines. This is your chance to prove it.
regarding the rest of your post, I'll just leave it, and end with this..
This is your chance D. Tell me EXACTLY what you think we should do. Really clearly. Don't need to know why.. Just tell me what you think we should do. It should only be a few bullet points.
Then we can tear your ideas to peices, or hail you as the genius that saved scoobynet from certain self destruction.
Ok, as you've given me an open forum. Here's 5.
1) Openly post the alternate usernames - not historical, just current. No one should have anything to hide. No conspiracy theory, no abuse of infraction system from alternate logins. - or simply ban all secondary accounts.
2) One email address, one username. That should cut down immediate re-registration for all but the worst of trolls. Yes, with hotmail etc you can craete a new one, but its hassle.
3) Keep the infraction system as it is. Christ, Lynne and I used to bang on about banning usernames and finally its here
4) Wind your neck in and cut out the agressive knobber posts. Its not big, and its not clever. Be firm, but be polite. Then you get respect. I don't need it, I'm just a user. You do if you want people to take you seriously, you're the webmaster.
5) Leave the rest as it is - nothing wrong with it as far as I can see
17 January 2008, 06:55 PM
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Ok, as you've given me an open forum. Here's 5.
1) Openly post the alternate usernames - not historical, just current. No one should have anything to hide. No conspiracy theory, no abuse of infraction system from alternate logins. - or simply ban all secondary accounts.
2) One email address, one username. That should cut down immediate re-registration for all but the worst of trolls. Yes, with hotmail etc you can craete a new one, but its hassle.
3) Keep the infraction system as it is. Christ, Lynne and I used to bang on about banning usernames and finally its here
4) Wind your neck in and cut out the agressive knobber posts. Its not big, and its not clever. Be firm, but be polite. Then you get respect. I don't need it, I'm just a user. You do if you want people to take you seriously, you're the webmaster.
5) Leave the rest as it is - nothing wrong with it as far as I can see
Ok, as you've given me an open forum. Here's 5.
1) Openly post the alternate usernames - not historical, just current. No one should have anything to hide. No conspiracy theory, no abuse of infraction system from alternate logins. - or simply ban all secondary accounts.
2) One email address, one username. That should cut down immediate re-registration for all but the worst of trolls. Yes, with hotmail etc you can craete a new one, but its hassle.
3) Keep the infraction system as it is. Christ, Lynne and I used to bang on about banning usernames and finally its here
4) Wind your neck in and cut out the agressive knobber posts. Its not big, and its not clever. Be firm, but be polite. Then you get respect. I don't need it, I'm just a user. You do if you want people to take you seriously, you're the webmaster.
5) Leave the rest as it is - nothing wrong with it as far as I can see
17 January 2008, 06:55 PM
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OK. D
Thanks for that.
Can i just confirm that you're going to take full legal and financial responsibility for this?
Because I can tell you right now. This will have you in court defending a MASSIVE set of claims within about 1 - 2 months. We have very specific circumstance under which we are legally safe to do this. Of course, you don't have to worry about this kind of thing, which is one of the reason why it all seems so obvious to you. Still think this is a good idea? Please actually answer that question rather than skirting over it.
Good idea. Its already in place.
Good idea.
What's this got to do with ScoobyNet forum policies?
OK..
So let me get this straight. On this thread where you've openly told me about failings in the infraciton system, you're telling me to leave that alone.
The only other suggestions you've made are either already in force, or would have you in court.
Be honest here D. Do you realise that you're way out of your depth here?
Thanks for that.
Can i just confirm that you're going to take full legal and financial responsibility for this?
1) Openly post the alternate usernames - not historical, just current. No one should have anything to hide. No conspiracy theory, no abuse of infraction system from alternate logins. - or simply ban all secondary accounts.
2) One email address, one username. That should cut down immediate re-registration for all but the worst of trolls. Yes, with hotmail etc you can craete a new one, but its hassle.
3) Keep the infraction system as it is. Christ, Lynne and I used to bang on about banning usernames and finally its here
4) Wind your neck in and cut out the agressive knobber posts. Its not big, and its not clever. Be firm, but be polite. Then you get respect. I don't need it, I'm just a user. You do if you want people to take you seriously, you're the webmaster.
5) Leave the rest as it is - nothing wrong with it as far as I can see
OK..
So let me get this straight. On this thread where you've openly told me about failings in the infraciton system, you're telling me to leave that alone.
The only other suggestions you've made are either already in force, or would have you in court.
Be honest here D. Do you realise that you're way out of your depth here?
17 January 2008, 07:24 PM
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Because I can tell you right now. This will have you in court defending a MASSIVE set of claims within about 1 - 2 months. We have very specific circumstance under which we are legally safe to do this. Of course, you don't have to worry about this kind of thing, which is one of the reason why it all seems so obvious to you. Still think this is a good idea? Please actually answer that question rather than skirting over it.
So by saying mart360 also posts as DCI PSl & UB will result in a court case. ( i dont btw) why?
must be some good stuff you,ve been supping
Isn;t it one of the terms and conditions that you can out multiple accs
Quote "ScoobyNet has a world leading array of tracking tools which allows us to very accurately identify multiple accounts. If deemed appropriate by ScoobyNet this information may be publicly published" unquote
Why not try it, it might make a difference, you wont know until you try
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17 January 2008, 07:26 PM
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Thanks for your advice.
I am going to make you an offer. If you sign some legally binding documents that hold you personally responsible for all and any legal action or out of court settlments resulting from the release of this information, I'll do it.
If you're that sure, put your house and livelihood where your mouth is
So there you go. That's the deal. Its that easy. All you have to do is agree, and it will be done.
If you don't want to do this, then please don't expect me to.
Thanks for your advice.
I am going to make you an offer. If you sign some legally binding documents that hold you personally responsible for all and any legal action or out of court settlments resulting from the release of this information, I'll do it.
If you're that sure, put your house and livelihood where your mouth is
So there you go. That's the deal. Its that easy. All you have to do is agree, and it will be done.
If you don't want to do this, then please don't expect me to.
17 January 2008, 07:49 PM
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there are a number of reasons shaggy, some of which would cause the community problems if I went into them publicly.
The most I'm willing to say (while I carry the responsibility) is that there are specific circumstance where we are able to release this information without legal risk. After that, its purely a moral issue.
The most I'm willing to say (while I carry the responsibility) is that there are specific circumstance where we are able to release this information without legal risk. After that, its purely a moral issue.
17 January 2008, 08:13 PM
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Mart
Thanks for your advice.
I am going to make you an offer. If you sign some legally binding documents that hold you personally responsible for all and any legal action or out of court settlments resulting from the release of this information, I'll do it.
If you're that sure, put your house and livelihood where your mouth is
So there you go. That's the deal. Its that easy. All you have to do is agree, and it will be done.
If you don't want to do this, then please don't expect me to.
Thanks for your advice.
I am going to make you an offer. If you sign some legally binding documents that hold you personally responsible for all and any legal action or out of court settlments resulting from the release of this information, I'll do it.
If you're that sure, put your house and livelihood where your mouth is
So there you go. That's the deal. Its that easy. All you have to do is agree, and it will be done.
If you don't want to do this, then please don't expect me to.
prhaps you would like to clarify how/ why saying that x posts as z or zz
would result in the loss of house / life / etc.
Mart
17 January 2008, 08:16 PM
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No mart, sorry. It would take too long, and would end in someone saying "well I don't agree", which is all well and good, but unless someone's willing to put their money where their mouth is, then that's the way it is.
The thing is mart, the reason all the workings of the forums seem so obvious to everyone, is that people don't know all the ins and outs. When you run a forum as big as scoobynet, you have to WORK, which means you have to look into all these things, understand them, pay the lawyers to deal with them, and put in place the policies and systems that cope with them.
So, as it really won't affect your life either way, just trust me. It would be the wrong thing to do.
The thing is mart, the reason all the workings of the forums seem so obvious to everyone, is that people don't know all the ins and outs. When you run a forum as big as scoobynet, you have to WORK, which means you have to look into all these things, understand them, pay the lawyers to deal with them, and put in place the policies and systems that cope with them.
So, as it really won't affect your life either way, just trust me. It would be the wrong thing to do.
17 January 2008, 08:18 PM
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No mart, sorry. It would take too long, and would end in someone saying "well I don't agree", which is all well and good, but unless someone's willing to put their money where their mouth is, then that's the way it is.
The thing is mart, the reason all the workings of the forums seem so obvious to everyone, is that people don't know all the ins and outs. When you run a forum as big as scoobynet, you have to WORK, which means you have to look into all these things, understand them, pay the lawyers to deal with them, and put in place the policies and systems that cope with them.
So, as it really won't affect your life either way, just trust me. It would be the wrong thing to do.
The thing is mart, the reason all the workings of the forums seem so obvious to everyone, is that people don't know all the ins and outs. When you run a forum as big as scoobynet, you have to WORK, which means you have to look into all these things, understand them, pay the lawyers to deal with them, and put in place the policies and systems that cope with them.
So, as it really won't affect your life either way, just trust me. It would be the wrong thing to do.
Mart
17 January 2008, 08:21 PM
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No mart, sorry. It would take too long, and would end in someone saying "well I don't agree", which is all well and good, but unless someone's willing to put their money where their mouth is, then that's the way it is.
The thing is mart, the reason all the workings of the forums seem so obvious to everyone, is that people don't know all the ins and outs. When you run a forum as big as scoobynet, you have to WORK, which means you have to look into all these things, understand them, pay the lawyers to deal with them, and put in place the policies and systems that cope with them.
So, as it really won't affect your life either way, just trust me. It would be the wrong thing to do.
The thing is mart, the reason all the workings of the forums seem so obvious to everyone, is that people don't know all the ins and outs. When you run a forum as big as scoobynet, you have to WORK, which means you have to look into all these things, understand them, pay the lawyers to deal with them, and put in place the policies and systems that cope with them.
So, as it really won't affect your life either way, just trust me. It would be the wrong thing to do.
She understands now
18 January 2008, 12:06 AM
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18 January 2008, 08:27 AM
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How many of those 20,000 members have been active in the last month? These are like falcid government statistics that in real life make zero sense..
Its like saying out of all of the 10,000,000,0000,0000 humans that have walked this earth only 0.001 have been to prison.. Look how good society is!
Its like saying out of all of the 10,000,000,0000,0000 humans that have walked this earth only 0.001 have been to prison.. Look how good society is!
National service for us then Andy. Wonder who has given out the most
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I actually felt rather special when I learned that only 140 members had had an Infraction - but it's only unique and special when you take the number of accounts into consideration. If you place it against the 'active. membership, it is far less impressive.
