stilover

Because we're better. Fact

Rule Britania

_RIP_

People from different cultures can never 'really' integrate. Show me the facts, places, examples, and human nature and history will refute them all. Multiculturalism? The most misunderstood, misused and abused term ever coined.

Diesel

'Spose that leads to defining 'integration'.

All that's really needed is for folk to respect and get on with others. I love having mates from different cultures/countries and certainly dont need them to be exactly like me/us in everything. D

Prasius

iTrader: (1)

Hey - Immigrants and ethnic minorities like to live in communities that share the same cultural and ethnic background as themselves.

So do I.

_RIP_

For sure, but that's an idealistic view of how things are or will ever be. Individual mates hardly maketh the UK multicultural meal.

_RIP_

You completely missed the point.

davegtt

What do you class as "really" integrating? I have many Polish friends who all live similar lifestyles to me and you. One has just moved into my spare room actually and paying rent. Hes a good guy, likes to have a drink and learn English better than he already knows (which is very good already) Plays darts, pool, snooker, poker etc. If he didnt sound different with his accent you could be forgiven for thinking hes British. I dont see what all the fuss is about, if we sit there and point the finger saying theyre from such a country and make a big deal out of it then how are they expected to integrate with small minded English fools. To be honest, I dont blame some of them for treating the country with disrespect. In the last few years I take a look around and find its our own who we should worry about before branding immigrants.

_RIP_

How many Somalian, Pakistani, West Indian or Romanian friends do you have? And what is your definition of multiculturalism? I've not picked these as particular examples, but were not talking just Polish. Is Polish culture that different from ours? Do they require that we make huge differences in our culture or religion to accommodate them?

superscoobx

From the area pretty local to me It is easy to tell that these culture's (polish aside) do not want to integrate. They bring thier own Food store's, selling produce with no english labels on them, and nothing is said, They build there own cultural building's where we cant go. Set up WHOLE self sufficient communities helping thier own Race wheather there illegal immigrants or legal citizen's.

WTF is BBC asia all about? I pay my tv licence to have a chanel dedicated to Asian production's? Same with the Radio, Im sorry but Its on its ****.

Diesel

Is this the case for these people's later generational kids too - do the kids not go to each others birthday parties etc? [I know they do in my 'non-inner city ghetto' little world].

I ask as I go shopping to these areas (love the food culture!) and just think of them as a 'quarter' much like Chinatown or Hatton Garden etc where you go to buy something specific.

D

superscoobx

Im talking about well in excess of 2000 House's, entire street's, the schools have a ethnicity percentage of 90+%.

This isnt China town or Hatton Garden's, Its area's of Sheffield, Rotherham, West Yorkshire etc. 20 years ago, traditional English town's.

Im sure many of you can relate to this.

And these area's... would you let a loved one walk through them at night.... F*ck that.

_RIP_

Broaden your limited horizons and then ask the same 'non-inner city ghetto generational' questions? You seem very specific and limited in your professed and chosen view points. Ask yourself, is everything in your experience the UK norm?

davegtt

I know plenty of Pakistani's from my time in Oldham, granted there is alot of tension there but Ive found that only there and in Bradford tbh. Where I live now Im friends with an Indian who I went to school with, we treat each other as equal and have respect for each other. Hes visited me on many occassion as I have been to his house and family, he has integrated into the British life yet still maintains his own level of culture too. I also know alot of Turkish and one Afghan who are all sterling people if you get to know them rather than just look in some form of disgust that theyre foriegn. Unfortunately you have caught me out on the Somalian and only ever met one Romanian who was polite enough and seemed very nice to talk to for the week I knew her. Each of the different nationalities I know all speak English yet I bet if you visited any of the other countries you'd fall flat on your face trying to communicate. Not that its an issue as English is everyones second language anyway so we have it easy in that respect but the point is, they have made an effort to integrate IMO.

Whats wrong with them having their own shops to shop in, familiarity is a good thing, as said before about the English who lived abroad, they crave for choice, English food etc, theres no harm in that. There are Polish and Turkish shops in the town I live, Asda have half an aisle dedicated to Polish food and beer.

Anyway, I think we've probably been dragged down a road where we both obviously have opposing views, I agree there is a large level of segregation within our communities, but I blame the British alot more than I blame any of the other nationalities that visit.

_RIP_

In my experience we cant even fully integrate as a single united nation. Many times on SN have I seen that 'being Scottish' is enough of a cause for people to post in a derogatory manner, again without any real challenge from anyone. Having a lone 'jock' pal wont ever change this. 'Scruffy Scottish pension thief'? Why even mention the nationality? My original post stands uncorrected while these 'supposed' minority views are left unchallenged.

ScoTTyB

I always thought it was the other way around with 'you lot' myself

Diesel

Well, OK I'll jump in the car and conduct a survey! Seriously thats why I was asking a question and not making a statement. Actually answering my question might be a better response if your view/experience is different?

Ohh mate you are stating rather the obvious - I can only comment on what I personally have knowledge of. That was the reason I posted in a 'I'm looking for info as all is well in my little world' way, and I DO realise this (hence the inner city ghetto cliche thing). I know I'm in a happy little suburb and the kids that come to my kids parties are a lovely friendly mix. I know that isnt the case everywhere - so maybe you could enlighten rather than nit pick? I'm up for info...

D

Diesel

Yep! The 'crush the rebellious Scots' line is ommited at Twickenham matches nowadays isnt it You sent them home 'tae think again'

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topbuzz

Having had various conversations about immigration it seems some of the problems start with the class of people entering Britain. A few guys I work with originate from the countries mentioned above and believe me they moan about the wave of people coming here and the changes in neighbourhoods over time. They have worked hard, paid their way but all the hard work is being undone and they get lumped in with the trash.
Seems to me that the government has had a policy of importing poverty going for a while and personally I'm tired of paying for them. Time the handouts of benefits, credits and houses stopped and people are held responsible for their own actions inc having kids. This applies to Foreign and British alike.

Diesel

stilover - that wasnt me infracting you I promise regarding your response to my post. Knobby arrogant comment maybe, but completely not infraction worthy for me. D

EDIT I also just looked at your profile and you got an infraction for a post I totally agree with, https://www.scoobynet.com/non-scooby...ml#post7342541
Bit rubbish that...

_RIP_

I meant give it a try by broadening your horizons. But then that's the problem, it will never happen. That's my answer.

_RIP_

'Us lot' never had the chance to fully integrate after the clearances.

ScoTTyB

If immigrants are running from persecution (i.e the law) they are allowed in. That kind of suggests they're a little bit dodgy in the first place.

Diesel

It certainly isn't likely to happen when you wont even give it a go. You arent between a rock and a hard place here mate. C'mon...

D

Diesel

Yeah! The law being Mugabe, Amin, Phol Pot, Hussein etc etc. 'The Law' but genocidal dictators too... D

_RIP_

I meant people in general, not me or you personally.

Martin2005

Are you going to be an immigrant problem somewhere else?

Diesel

Fine, but you have still told me nothing. Why bother? I sense you could let on a lot more, if you could be @rsed... D

Dan W

alcazar, superscoobx and stilover,
glad you agree.
But dont be ashamed that it takes a welshman to defend these fair isles for although a welshman i might be, a BRIT i am first and to the death.

No i'm not xenophobic either, just willing to protect what is rightfully ours

dpb

So the grown up yuppies are moving out - good luck to them

Diesel

As a Welshman you were by far the first Brytysch. Forget these newcomer Germanic/Danish/Viking new wave hoodlum invaders and their xenophobia LOL

D [how to make friends and influence people mode now off ]