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would you report an illegal immigrant?
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No in absoute terms am i right, not maybe right.
I know this - I was responding to the 'most crime is committed by blacks comment'
Blacks account for approximately 2% of the overall population - National Statistics Online but account for 15% of the prison population - BBC NEWS | UK | The prison population
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The 2001 census indicated that 71% of the UK associate themselves with Christianity.
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The 2001 census indicated that 71% of the UK associate themselves with Christianity.
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So where did you get the 6, sorry 7% figure from?
I don't follow your analogy, if you believe Christ is your saviour then you're a Christian.
You may also find Matthew 6:5-8 of interest
Which suggests you should pray in private not in church.
I don't follow your analogy, if you believe Christ is your saviour then you're a Christian.
You may also find Matthew 6:5-8 of interest
And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
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Well its certainly not 71%
It depends on your definitioan of "christian"
Are we a christian country? I would argue no - We are secular. Church attendance is around 7%
Christian Research Working with information - Turning the tide
People put "C of E" almost automatically.
It depends on your definitioan of "christian"
Are we a christian country? I would argue no - We are secular. Church attendance is around 7%
Christian Research Working with information - Turning the tide
People put "C of E" almost automatically.
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Are you really trying to suggest to me that rather than going to church each week, tens of millions of people are infact at home praying?
I think one of the truely great things about this country is that we've moved on from needing to use religion as an emotional crutch. We are a secular society, the vast majority only use church/religion for weddings and funerals, which is more about ritual than religion.
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i know a lot of people who work for immigration, they say its easy to get in this country, they said immigrates come in and then flush there passports down the toliet then by law we have to keep them for months+ to find out where they from which is next to impossiable.
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i know a lot of people who work for immigration, they say its easy to get in this country, they said immigrates come in and then flush there passports down the toliet then by law we have to keep them for months+ to find out where they from which is next to impossiable.
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Are we a christian country? I would argue no - We are secular. Church attendance is around 7%
Fair enough
People put "C of E" almost automatically.
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Are you really trying to suggest to me that rather than going to church each week, tens of millions of people are infact at home praying?
As an example, while I was growing up, my parents didn't attend church. In the last 20 years or so, my father has returned to church and is currently a church warden in an Anglican church. My mother is a methodist but doesn't attend church, while welcome at the Anglican church the service doesn't sit well with her Methodist philosophy and there isn't an alternative close by.
My partners parents are Christian but have not been active church goers for some years as they fell out with the Vicar at their local church. They recently moved and are now considering finding another church.
Did all 4 stop being christians in the iterim?
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Ive seen you write some rubbish Martin, but this is complete and utter tosh.
You dont have to go to church or even pray to be a christian. You just have to believe in god and celebrate that in some way. That be can be done by celebrating his sons birth at Christmas or maybe his resurrection at Easter. By taking part in any of these you are taking part in the christian way of life.
You only have to look at the schools to see that we are still as a country trying to practice chirstianity singing carols and doing nativity plays. As you get older you forget this as we dont see it as much in our daily lives.
You dont have to go to church or even pray to be a christian. You just have to believe in god and celebrate that in some way. That be can be done by celebrating his sons birth at Christmas or maybe his resurrection at Easter. By taking part in any of these you are taking part in the christian way of life.
You only have to look at the schools to see that we are still as a country trying to practice chirstianity singing carols and doing nativity plays. As you get older you forget this as we dont see it as much in our daily lives.
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My point is that the definition of "christian" is, I belieive taken a litte too literally by your good self. You can state you are a "christian" or "C of E" (which almost every one does when asked thier religion when going into hospital, or for censuses , for exmaple) But what does that mean? Does that mean that you life your life according to the bible? I would say for the vast majority of so called "christians" the answer is no.
There is a world of difference betweeen beleiving in a deity and living your life as a practising christian.
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You dont have to go to church or even pray to be a christian. You just have to believe in god and celebrate that in some way. That be can be done by celebrating his sons birth at Christmas or maybe his resurrection at Easter. By taking part in any of these you are taking part in the christian way of life.
That has far more to do with tradition than it is religion.
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I prefer it if people support their own claims, I don't get accused of being biased in my selection of example that way, you did, thank you.
I have no idea, but the fact remains that over 70% of the population consider themselves Christian in some form or another. I consider myself an atheist and behave in a manner consistent with my lack of belief, why should I assume that the bulk of the population are liars? I do suspect they are somewhat apathetic however.
As an example, while I was growing up, my parents didn't attend church. In the last 20 years or so, my father has returned to church and is currently a church warden in an Anglican church. My mother is a methodist but doesn't attend church, while welcome at the Anglican church the service doesn't sit well with her Methodist philosophy and there isn't an alternative close by.
My partners parents are Christian but have not been active church goers for some years as they fell out with the Vicar at their local church. They recently moved and are now considering finding another church.
Did all 4 stop being christians in the iterim?
I have no idea, but the fact remains that over 70% of the population consider themselves Christian in some form or another. I consider myself an atheist and behave in a manner consistent with my lack of belief, why should I assume that the bulk of the population are liars? I do suspect they are somewhat apathetic however.
As an example, while I was growing up, my parents didn't attend church. In the last 20 years or so, my father has returned to church and is currently a church warden in an Anglican church. My mother is a methodist but doesn't attend church, while welcome at the Anglican church the service doesn't sit well with her Methodist philosophy and there isn't an alternative close by.
My partners parents are Christian but have not been active church goers for some years as they fell out with the Vicar at their local church. They recently moved and are now considering finding another church.
Did all 4 stop being christians in the iterim?
My point was the words 'christian country' are sometimes used by people of no genuine christian faith, to justify some fairly unsavoury views (I'm not suggestion for one minute that to be the case with yourself). In some instances it's meant as 'white country', and therefore anti immigration or worse still just plain racist.
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Ive seen you write some rubbish Martin, but this is complete and utter tosh.
You dont have to go to church or even pray to be a christian. You just have to believe in god and celebrate that in some way. That be can be done by celebrating his sons birth at Christmas or maybe his resurrection at Easter. By taking part in any of these you are taking part in the christian way of life.
You only have to look at the schools to see that we are still as a country trying to practice chirstianity singing carols and doing nativity plays. As you get older you forget this as we dont see it as much in our daily lives.
You dont have to go to church or even pray to be a christian. You just have to believe in god and celebrate that in some way. That be can be done by celebrating his sons birth at Christmas or maybe his resurrection at Easter. By taking part in any of these you are taking part in the christian way of life.
You only have to look at the schools to see that we are still as a country trying to practice chirstianity singing carols and doing nativity plays. As you get older you forget this as we dont see it as much in our daily lives.
Read my posts agian, you may then think about 'untoshing me'
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What? So if I do Christmas and Easter, and thats it - But beleive in god - I am a commited Christian, but if I do exactly the same amount of "worship" ie.e celebrate Christmas and Easter, but don't beleive in God, then I am an Aethiest.
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The chances are that these people have always been a whole lot more productive in their lifetime than your average dole-scrounging chav/chavette both back home and in blighty .lol - in fact theyve probably contributed more tax dollars in the few years here than the 20 wayne/waynette have since they were hatched
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I have to agree with Pete here, it is very easy to class yourself as Christian, but if you don't practise this in any way, you can't really say you're a Christian.
Ok, you may have a belief, but if that is all and it has no bearing on daily life, then you can't truely say you are Christian. I firmly agree a person doesn't have to attend Church to be Christian, but I would say they have to be living a Christian way of life, away from Church. Just having a belief, but not reflecting that in the way you live your life doesn't make you a follower of a religion.
Ok, you may have a belief, but if that is all and it has no bearing on daily life, then you can't truely say you are Christian. I firmly agree a person doesn't have to attend Church to be Christian, but I would say they have to be living a Christian way of life, away from Church. Just having a belief, but not reflecting that in the way you live your life doesn't make you a follower of a religion.
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I have to agree with Pete here, it is very easy to class yourself as Christian, but if you don't practise this in any way, you can't really say you're a Christian.
Ok, you may have a belief, but if that is all and it has no bearing on daily life, then you can't truely say you are Christian. I firmly agree a person doesn't have to attend Church to be Christian, but I would say they have to be living a Christian way of life, away from Church. Just having a belief, but not reflecting that in the way you live your life doesn't make you a follower of a religion.
Ok, you may have a belief, but if that is all and it has no bearing on daily life, then you can't truely say you are Christian. I firmly agree a person doesn't have to attend Church to be Christian, but I would say they have to be living a Christian way of life, away from Church. Just having a belief, but not reflecting that in the way you live your life doesn't make you a follower of a religion.
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My point was the words 'christian country' are sometimes used by people of no genuine christian faith, to justify some fairly unsavoury views (I'm not suggestion for one minute that to be the case with yourself). In some instances it's meant as 'white country', and therefore anti immigration or worse still just plain racist.
As for the 'Quoted' above. Isnt that what religion is for nowdays? To give your actions an excuse? Religion is a tool. Muslims have managed to convince many weak minded that it is ok to kill yourself and others in the name of Islam.
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But what does that mean? Does that mean that you life your life according to the bible? I would say for the vast majority of so called "christians" the answer is no.
There is a world of difference betweeen beleiving in a deity and living your life as a practising christian.
At the end of the day, religious association is a personal choice and if a person considers themself to be a member of a particular faith I don't think it's down to us to tell them they are not.
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Ah, more religion and more arguments/discussions
i am agnostic, perhaps soomeone can show me and prove there is a god and i will right there - until then not a hope, fine for all those who feel they need it or want it
would i report an illegal - yes, they have entered the country illegally for whatever reason but illegally.
end of story, it is that cut and dry.
i am agnostic, perhaps soomeone can show me and prove there is a god and i will right there - until then not a hope, fine for all those who feel they need it or want it
would i report an illegal - yes, they have entered the country illegally for whatever reason but illegally.
end of story, it is that cut and dry.
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My point was the words 'christian country' are sometimes used by people of no genuine christian faith, to justify some fairly unsavoury views (I'm not suggestion for one minute that to be the case with yourself). In some instances it's meant as 'white country', and therefore anti immigration or worse still just plain racist.