Rottie kills owner in London street
29 January 2008, 10:45 AM
#31
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,236
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
That is a responsible attitude indeed, but it also seems to be an admission that you are aware he has the potential to do something he shouldn't.
I fully agree that you cannot 100% trust any dog, but I think certain breeds are more likely to turn than others. You know that deep down and act accordingly.
I fully agree that you cannot 100% trust any dog, but I think certain breeds are more likely to turn than others. You know that deep down and act accordingly.
29 January 2008, 10:53 AM
#32
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 458
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
That is a responsible attitude indeed, but it also seems to be an admission that you are aware he has the potential to do something he shouldn't.
I fully agree that you cannot 100% trust any dog, but I think certain breeds are more likely to turn than others. You know that deep down and act accordingly.
I fully agree that you cannot 100% trust any dog, but I think certain breeds are more likely to turn than others. You know that deep down and act accordingly.
My caution in respect of his behaviour is simply because he's a dog.....BUT my concern for him is because he's a rottie - people love to try and accuse them simply because of their breed...which is clearly evident any time the press get on the anti-rottie bandwagon.
I have no problem with people being wary of them....it's the people who know nothing that spout off that they are evil that annoy me.
You wanna get to know one, you're welcome to meet mine and I guarantee that if you meet him with an open mind, you'll fall in love! He's 10 stone, hates going in the car and is absolutely terrified of the dark!
29 January 2008, 10:55 AM
#33
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Worthing..
Posts: 7,575
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Statistics show that there is a 0.0002% chance of gettign killed buy a dog - THis probably rises to 0.005% for a Rottie.
So, about as likely as winning the lottery to be honest. in fact less so.
So, about as likely as winning the lottery to be honest. in fact less so.
29 January 2008, 10:57 AM
#34
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,236
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I still suspect you would treat him differently if he was a labrador!
I think you are really protecting other people rather than your dog. I'm sure he's a lovely dog, but as I say, the guy who was killed by his dog was probably saying exactly the same thing a couple of days ago.
I think you are really protecting other people rather than your dog. I'm sure he's a lovely dog, but as I say, the guy who was killed by his dog was probably saying exactly the same thing a couple of days ago.
29 January 2008, 10:59 AM
#35
I know that my next door neighbour had one from pup to almost 2 years.
It bit its owner quite badly on the arm and hence was destroyed.
I remember a friends father had 2 in the house.
They seemed really friendly always coming to me looking petted etc.
I can also remember one of the 2 dogs showing its teeth and taking a leap at my mates dad.
He immediately stood and punched it on the head (He was a 5th dan black belt)
So I have 3 memories of these type of dogs and 2 are bad I'm afraid.
I personally don't think they should be kept as pets.
They like pit bulls/staffies are in my opinion fighting dogs.
Always have been and always will be.
It bit its owner quite badly on the arm and hence was destroyed.
I remember a friends father had 2 in the house.
They seemed really friendly always coming to me looking petted etc.
I can also remember one of the 2 dogs showing its teeth and taking a leap at my mates dad.
He immediately stood and punched it on the head (He was a 5th dan black belt)
So I have 3 memories of these type of dogs and 2 are bad I'm afraid.
I personally don't think they should be kept as pets.
They like pit bulls/staffies are in my opinion fighting dogs.
Always have been and always will be.
29 January 2008, 10:59 AM
#36
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,236
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Quote:
"Statistics show that there is a 0.0002% chance of gettign killed buy a dog - THis probably rises to 0.005% for a Rottie."
What a pointless stat, you haven't even found out the stats as you use the word probably!
"Statistics show that there is a 0.0002% chance of gettign killed buy a dog - THis probably rises to 0.005% for a Rottie."
What a pointless stat, you haven't even found out the stats as you use the word probably!
29 January 2008, 11:00 AM
#38
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 458
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I still suspect you would treat him differently if he was a labrador!
I think you are really protecting other people rather than your dog. I'm sure he's a lovely dog, but as I say, the guy who was killed by his dog was probably saying exactly the same thing a couple of days ago.
I think you are really protecting other people rather than your dog. I'm sure he's a lovely dog, but as I say, the guy who was killed by his dog was probably saying exactly the same thing a couple of days ago.
I can't comment on the man who was sadly killed as I don't know the facts.
Probably, but I still speak the truth though
29 January 2008, 11:04 AM
#40
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 458
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Historically, they were herding dogs, used by the romans to help herd the cattle that were taken upon long marches, due to the size and strength of the dog. Most rotties still do herd - mine certainly does, presenting you afterwards with his back for you to scratch!
I am sorry though that you've had some bad experiences with them, but to be fair many people have similar experiences with other breeds
29 January 2008, 11:19 AM
#41
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Worthing..
Posts: 7,575
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There are 6 million dogs in the Uk and on average of around 5 deaths a year from dog attacks.
You do the maths.
29 January 2008, 11:30 AM
#43
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Worthing..
Posts: 7,575
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
4,045 atacks in total (how many of those resulted in scarring I don't know)
BBC NEWS | Wales | South East Wales | Mail campaign over dog attacks
So, you have a 1 in 1483 chance of being attacked by a dog in any way.
basically, the same chance as Bolton winning the premisership
Soccer Betting :: English Premiership Champions Odds
BBC NEWS | Wales | South East Wales | Mail campaign over dog attacks
So, you have a 1 in 1483 chance of being attacked by a dog in any way.
basically, the same chance as Bolton winning the premisership
Soccer Betting :: English Premiership Champions Odds
29 January 2008, 11:32 AM
#44
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,236
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If you want stats then check out these which were posted previously by Pimmo on a separate thread.
DOG BITE LAW - the most trusted and extensive resource for dog bite victims, parents of victims, and dog owners needing legal information.
There are no stats for this country, but these are from North America, very interesting, and clearly show that apart from Pit Bulls, Rottweilers are in a league of their own when it comes to vicious attacks.
No doubt you'll say it's because they are a big dog, or it's because there are more Rottweilers than any other breed, blah blah blah!
DOG BITE LAW - the most trusted and extensive resource for dog bite victims, parents of victims, and dog owners needing legal information.
There are no stats for this country, but these are from North America, very interesting, and clearly show that apart from Pit Bulls, Rottweilers are in a league of their own when it comes to vicious attacks.
No doubt you'll say it's because they are a big dog, or it's because there are more Rottweilers than any other breed, blah blah blah!
29 January 2008, 11:38 AM
#45
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Worthing..
Posts: 7,575
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What, you mean other than the ones I just posted?
So, pretty useless , then
From your site...
In 2007, there were 32 canine-inflicted human fatalities in the USA
There currently are 74.8 million dogs in the USA
Not really a massive risk is it.
I mean, I think I can worry more about being run over by a flying saucer than being killed by a dog going on your figures.
So, pretty useless , then
In 2007, there were 32 canine-inflicted human fatalities in the USA
There currently are 74.8 million dogs in the USA
Not really a massive risk is it.
I mean, I think I can worry more about being run over by a flying saucer than being killed by a dog going on your figures.
29 January 2008, 11:42 AM
#46
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,236
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Congratulations for completely missing the point of this thread Pete!
You are the only person on the thread compiling stats on how likely you are to be attacked by a dog.
Meanwhile the rest of us are debating whether Rottweilers are more dangerous than other breeds of dog.
But just to humour you, if 5 people had been killed directly by a fault on a Ford Fiesta, would Ford turn around say well it's still only as likely that you'll die as Bolton winning the Premiership, or would they recall the affected cars?
You are the only person on the thread compiling stats on how likely you are to be attacked by a dog.
Meanwhile the rest of us are debating whether Rottweilers are more dangerous than other breeds of dog.
But just to humour you, if 5 people had been killed directly by a fault on a Ford Fiesta, would Ford turn around say well it's still only as likely that you'll die as Bolton winning the Premiership, or would they recall the affected cars?
29 January 2008, 11:46 AM
#48
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Worthing..
Posts: 7,575
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I just came in to prove you are talking bollocks - In that respect it's job done.
29 January 2008, 11:47 AM
#49
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,236
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul3446
There are no stats for this country,
What, you mean other than the ones I just posted?
No stats by breed, which is what everyone else on the thread is discussing Pete, you are the only one who keeps on about it being as likely as Bolton winning the premiership, or getting run over by a flying saucer.
Originally Posted by Paul3446
There are no stats for this country,
What, you mean other than the ones I just posted?
No stats by breed, which is what everyone else on the thread is discussing Pete, you are the only one who keeps on about it being as likely as Bolton winning the premiership, or getting run over by a flying saucer.
29 January 2008, 11:47 AM
#50
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Worthing..
Posts: 7,575
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
29 January 2008, 11:51 AM
#51
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,236
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Quote:
"I just came in to prove you are talking bollocks - In that respect it's job done. "
Are you even reading the same thread?
I'll try one more time for you, this thread is about whether Rottweilers are more dangerous than other breeds of dog, still with me? Good. This is why posting up how many dog attacks there are and working out the likelihood of being attacked by any breed of dog, is pointless. Still OK?
This is why the stats that I produced, with a breakdown of number of attacks by different breeds are relevant. Even though you seems to think that because the dogs are American they are somehow irrelevant.
"I just came in to prove you are talking bollocks - In that respect it's job done. "
Are you even reading the same thread?
I'll try one more time for you, this thread is about whether Rottweilers are more dangerous than other breeds of dog, still with me? Good. This is why posting up how many dog attacks there are and working out the likelihood of being attacked by any breed of dog, is pointless. Still OK?
This is why the stats that I produced, with a breakdown of number of attacks by different breeds are relevant. Even though you seems to think that because the dogs are American they are somehow irrelevant.
29 January 2008, 11:53 AM
#52
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,236
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Quote:
"No, I was surprised - as it turns out you are just as unlikely to be killed by an American Rottie as you are an English one
"
Still struggling with the point of the whole thread then?
I think the only thing to do is try reading it from the beginning to see if that helps.
"No, I was surprised - as it turns out you are just as unlikely to be killed by an American Rottie as you are an English one
"Still struggling with the point of the whole thread then?
I think the only thing to do is try reading it from the beginning to see if that helps.
/E51190543548F2B586256D2C0059C6BF/$File/cts%20relic%20shovel%20b.jpg)
29 January 2008, 12:00 PM
#54
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Worthing..
Posts: 7,575
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Which doesn't support your assertion, genius.
The likely hood of being killed by a rottwieler is next to nothing. The likelyhood of being maimed by a rottweiler is next to nothing your own numbers say that.
The *only* stat you have is that you are more likely to get attacked by a rottwieler than, say a poodle, but since you are talking about the odds changing form "bugger all" to " slightly less than bugger all" it really makes no difference.
29 January 2008, 12:05 PM
#57
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 3,236
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Quote:
"The *only* stat you have is that you are more likely to get attacked by a rottwieler than, say a poodle, but since you are talking about the odds changing form "bugger all" to " slightly less than bugger all" it really makes no difference. "
Glad to see that you are finally admitting that Rottweilers are more dangerous than other dogs.
Now if you can find the point in the thread where I said we were all really likely to get attacked by a dog at any moment, we can finally put this to rest.
"The *only* stat you have is that you are more likely to get attacked by a rottwieler than, say a poodle, but since you are talking about the odds changing form "bugger all" to " slightly less than bugger all" it really makes no difference. "
Glad to see that you are finally admitting that Rottweilers are more dangerous than other dogs.
Now if you can find the point in the thread where I said we were all really likely to get attacked by a dog at any moment, we can finally put this to rest.
29 January 2008, 12:08 PM
#58
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 39,877
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
29 January 2008, 12:10 PM
#59
Scooby Regular
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Worthing..
Posts: 7,575
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I bet that 2 days ago, this poor chap who was killed would have been one of the ones saying that his dog wouldn't hurt a fly and was a big softy, truth is, I don't believe you can ever say that about this breed of dog. You can hope that it's the case, but the stats say different I'm afraid.