m1cks

I come straight down the M1 where it meets the M6/A14/M1 junction. On the M1 it narrows to two lanes. Although technically it is still the outside lane, on two lane motorways and dual carriageways, HGV's are allowed in the outside lane.

I'm not sure if the M6 there is two or three lanes?


P.S. - Its not the "fast" lane, anything other than lane 1 is the "overtaking" lane

Kevin Mc

I noticed that last night - most peeps were slowing down to 50ish. Thought it wasn't right as there were no warnings of the impending 50 limit. Glanced at the camera lampost things, and as you say - no cameras. Won't be long till they are up, and the signs say the roadworks are until 2010.

Leslie

What makes you think that all cars have speedo's which are 10% fast?

Les

Paul3446

I wonder if we would be having the same conversation if this was in a normal 70 limit and someone was sitting in the outside lane without pulling over?

girl-in-a-scoob

That would be different... i think a few of the locals have canons fitted for those in the outside lane that dont do over 70 Thing is... if you read this thread from the start ... what the general consensus appears to be is that 50 mph in roadworks, whether there are cameras are not, DOES not apply to the outside lane

Paul3446

I agree that 50 in roadworks applies to both lanes, but if someone does 70 in the outside lane and doesn't pull over I would be getting annoyed.

If you don't need to be in the outside lane then pull over, you shouldn't be dictating the speed of other motorists. It is equally acceptable/unacceptable to speed in both areas as far as I can see.

girl-in-a-scoob

As would I ....


But there are plenty of numpties about and nobody will change that.... My original post was more about the attitude of the lorries I had come across ... but hey ho .. this is NSR and nobdy ever gets to the end of the first post... they just see what they want and post away.....


Oh and Im not having a go at ALL lorries, just some of the ones I met... I know there are some good ones out there, one is my daughters god father

mattvortex

Well, the speed limit normally is 70mph, so do you stay out in the third lane at 70mph stopping everyone getting past

mattvortex

Yes, that speed limit does obviously apply to the outside lane but if someone wants to pass at a faster speed then thats up to them so you should be out of there way,unless you're overtaking yourself!
Fairplay to that lorry driver-at least he had the decency to flash his lights to let the retard driving the car, know he had a bloddy big lorry behind him-Many would no doubt be tempted to shunt 38tons into the back of the retards car!!

girl-in-a-scoob

You didnt read the post then

mattvortex

I read the first couple but as not that bored, didnt read all of them!
Iam sure you're not stupid enough to sit in outside lane at 70mph blocking progress but are you a member of the middle lane owners club ??!!

girl-in-a-scoob

neither clubs .....


NSR all over... people pick up on words then start posting ... at least you admit you didnt read the posts

Afternoon btw

Paul3446

Back to original post regarding lorries, I can't believe that they sit about 2 metres apart as they slip stream each other and yet I've never seen the police stop them for tail gating.

mart360

yes any vehicle as requested..

pnbond007

iTrader: (1)

Only this afternoon while driving north on the M42 near the NEC, the speed limit was down to 60 then 50 then 40 due to congestion.

And what happened, a large skip lorry with a roll on roll off skip was lane hopping to get around slower traffic, who were all doing the indicated speed....some HGV drivers are simply dangerous, and yes some car/van drivers are equally as bad.

It's very very rare do you see fuel tankers driving poorly, I wonder why....is it responsibility & the pressure of driving such a vehicle, I'de say so....big trouble if those drivers get caught in an incident, even more so than Jo blogs driving a parcel / pallet laden vehicle.

gazza-uk

If he had he opportunity to lane hop, then surly the cars in lanes 2 and 3 were in the wrong lane!!

pnbond007

iTrader: (1)

Car's, these were car's, van's & lorry's he was lane changing around, plus he was driving quicker than the indicated speed limits..

Hopefully he'll be knocked off for speeding & lane changing

hrness

people are happily admitting that the same thing in a 70 would annoy them too.
no difference other than the speed limit, three lanes or two, does not matter, if u are holding someone up. pull over as you may be contributing to the upcoming accident, it is their decision to go above the limit, as we all do, and we all risk something happening, in a 30, 40 or 70.
most if not all lorries are restricted by law to 56mph, hence no outside lane on motorways. are we going to crucify a lorry driver for 6mph over the limit. or was it a 7.5 tonne not being used for the carrying of commercial goods, some of these are still deristricted. and tailgating is not good seriuos consequences, which is why if people checked their poxy mirrors more they would avoid all this and pull over before giving a 38 tonner the hump.

GC8

Has anyone pointed out that proper HGVs have calibrated speedometers, which allow you to drive at 50mph (or maybe 53mph as itll be quite safe from a legal perspective) often passing many cars fitted with far less accurate speedometers? Id suggest also that the worse driven vehciles on the road are probably 7.5 tonne vans, which are commonly mistaken for 'HGVs'. Professional HGV drivers are by and large the best group of drivers on the road (this applies to a lesser degree to PSV drivers too: lesser because whilst some are superb, many are sh*te).

I see the odd poor HGV driver every day: how I manage to spot them through the swarms of terrible car drivers escapes me.....

speedking

But usually roadworks on motorways say "STAY IN LANE" at the outset. If you are 50ing in lane 2 and lane 1 is quicker or slower then it would be wrong to pull over. (Not sure about illegal). Therefore the truck behind would have to be patient.

How about slowing down to 30 just before the de-restriction, and then zooming off now that would really p155 them off

girl-in-a-scoob

confused the 'ell out of me...


I thought the 50 was to protect the workforce

Im sure all you said about lorries makes sense...

Lum

The law. (also he did say "up to 10%")

It is illegal to supply a vehicle with a speedo that underreads, but it is permissible to overread by up to 10%, most manufacturers aim for 5% by design because then they can use poorer quality manufacturing techniques and still get a high yield of "legal" speedos. Also as your tires wear out the overread increases by a few percent.

Borrow a GPS, find a flat straight road and do a constant indicated 70mph on it, I bet you're really only doing 63 all the people with accurate speedos or with GPS units are all going to get really really pissed off at you if you're in the outside lane doing 63mph

As for the lorries, this one is simple, they don't want to slow down before a hill, certainly not to 45 (which is probably what the "50 mph" guy was actually doing) as that will cost them a fortune in diesel as they take the hill a few gears lower.

Also there is the speed limiter aspect. All lorries are physically limited to 56mph by European law, and in a 50 limit the camera people do not prosecute until you hit 57mph, so the lorry drivers just ignore the 50 signs and carry on as before

4X4BOB

Women Drivers are bad enough . . . .

But you're a "Girl in a Scoob" that doesn't drive with due care and consideration to other road users . . . . . . .

And NO, I haven't read all the thread - no point, you'll only be moaning about something that was probably your own fault anyway

girl-in-a-scoob

get somebody to read it to you then

Tidgy

so your saying that because there aint no speed cameras you should carry on at normal speed?

what complete tosh, if you ever work by the side of the motorway you'l;l realise how important that speed change is through road works.

and yep lorrys are a pain in the ****, spend 5 miles stuck in slow moving traffic because a lorry tries to overtake the next one at .000005mph more and fails so drops back in behind. grrr this makes me mad

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

red lorries yello lorries bla bla bla

i thought on the whole that lorry drivers were quite courteous, thats what i have always found. and i am always careful about not cutting one up. i watched a tv program about how long it takes a lorry to get back to its original speed

Tidgy

if were honest it dont matter waht, theres bad drivers of all things with wheels on them, especialy taxi drivers,,, pmsl

Shark Man

First thing that came to my head.

90% of cars have speedometers that underread by about 5mph.

Whilst HGVs are regularly calibrated and are far more accurate.

tiny gsy

To be fair, you`ll find most hgv drivers to be quite courteous. generally speaking once they`ve overtaken something they`ll pull back into the inside lane so any time people may "lose" while behind them is minimal. In the same way that speedo`s aren`t usually 100% accurate, most speed limiters on trucks are set slightly differently hence being able to overtake.

The biggest pain is when you come to a roundabout and you`ve got cars trying to cut up the inside thinking they`ll pass the HGV. What they`re actually doing is very dangerous as I`ve seen the trailer cut across slightly and on many occasions seen people having to brake hard to avoid a collision.

I would say imho that HGV drivers are probably the safest bunch of drivers around. Being that I`m learning to drive one at the moment, I can vouch that its not exactly easy manouevring them at junctions. All you need to do is give them some space