Odds on

Very informative thread. I'm always on the look out for ways to increase my carbon footprint.

Holiday to China, via India, with patio heater left on it is then.

Is there any chance I'll be allowed to pay a bit more tax?

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

Al gores inconvenient truth is already being shown in schools as scientific fact, even though a judge ruled that it should not be taught as "fact"


I remember as a kid acid rain being taught as fact at school and watching a documentary on how Londons lime stone buildings were being eaten away by acid rain. And apparently in 2010 we will all need vulcanised rubber rain coats as acid rain will have become so acidic it will burn our skin off Even blue peter said so, so it must be true.

Suresh

Assuming that the earth is warming and than mankind is the major contributor - -



I pulled apart the International Energy Agency 2005 stats for CO2 emissions. The major source of UK CO2 output is electricity and heat production (35% of total, compared to 15% for cars).

http://earthtrends.wri.org/pdf_libra.../cli2_2005.pdf


To cut a very long and boring story short, France is the European benchmark with 5.8 tonnes CO2 per head per annum. Switzerland is better still, but has the benefit of a lot of hydro too. The UK falls behind at 9.1 tonnes. The US comes in at a chunky 18.8 tonnes, simply because they are massively wasteful! If the US reduced its CO2 emissions to UK levels, the reduction would be equivalent to the combined output of Germany, the UK, the Netherlands and India.

France's secret its greater use of nuclear power. If the UK had the same amount of nuclear energy production, the reduced CO2 output would be equivalent to 165% of CO2 attributable to cars. But the greens almost certainly don't want to hear about it

Prasius

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Thats because the Greens don't want to come up with, or agree to, any solutions. They just want to bleat about how everything is a problem.

MrRA

Im pretty sick of it. Trying to impose a lifestyle on you by all this talk of global warming.

All these predictions of how the World's climate is going to change yet they couldn't predict the flash floods that affected so many last year.

I truly believe the World has its cycles, end of. I mean, what caused the Earth to cool down during the last Ice Age? And then, what caused it to warm up again ending that period?

I say we all drive our cars ON BOOST everywhere, spewing loads of CO2 up into the air! And I'm going to put every light on when I get home tonight and leave them on all night. I'll have the house looking like Blackpool illuminations.

serega

Agreed

Why dont other governments follow China and just tax children ?

Its simple really, less people = more resources for people that are left.

Why do we promote sex and childbearing and then tax everything and try to

make everyone's lives ever more hard and complicated - so we create more

copies of us but it just makes the life itself less bearable, why this biggest

issue never gets adressed ?

Who cares about the CO2 bull****, stop cutting down rainforests for toilet paper and we'll be fine, but as long as the number of asses that needs to be wiped just increases every year, this will never work will it.

Even with all our science and politics we are just bacteria in a sense, attached to the host and we will not stop untill that host is sucked dry and then we'll just die out ourselves, its just a circle of life i guess and no science or politics can stop us from fuking, eating, ****ting and making copies of ourselves in the excess of whats required.

serega

I think what we should all do to help our environment is do our best to promote and spread this message:

If you think that your life sucks, please - just go ahead and kill yourself and make the life of the next person a bit easier!

Klaatu

Can anyone guess which organisation first discussed the idea of carbon trading?

Can anyone guess what industry did Al "I invented the internet" Gore secure his wealth from?

Can anyone guess what industry Al "I am your saviour" Gore has based in the UK?

Why was the Medievil Warm Peroid and Little Ice Age excluded from Al Gore's mocumentary and the IPCC 4th report?

Does anyone know how much carbon was in the atmosphere during the Carboniferrous Period?

Leslie

I believe we should be concerned about it in case it is all true really.

I am fed up of it being used as an excuse to rip us off in every conceivable way.

Les

Tidgy

very bored, 66% of global warming is caused by water vapour which is natural, so how can you fight that?

Paul3446

Perhaps we could all drink more water!

warrenm2

Its actually 95%..... (and without it the earth would be about 33C colder)

zip106

Well, I've just done my bit to save us all from impending doom and global warming.

I've reduced my carbon footprint and thrown my Odour Eaters in the bin.
My feet will smell like a fish-wifes fanny in the morning, but it's all in the name of human kind.....

Odds on

Just hang 'em out in the back of the truck for a bit..

Klaatu

Eventually, consumers will have to buy products with a "Govn't" approved logo (In order to "save the planet").

MJW

The fact of the matter is that species have been and gone on this planet due to changes in the environment over millions and millions of years. It is incredibly foolish to assume that anyone can do anything about it. The human race will become extinct eventually, regardless of whether or not we put CO² into the atmosphere. So to all the green lobbyists and money-grabbing governments I suggest you all shut the f*ck up and accept your fate. Nature's wheels are already in motion and there's absolutely jack sh*t that can be done about it.

PeteBrant

The vast majority of the scientific community agree that man made emissions have had an effect on climate change.

Without being rude - Why do you think you know better? (I mean it doesn't actually matter what you think, the powers that be all agree that carbon emmissions must reduce, and you will have to comply)


I agree the patio heater thing is ridiculous.

I mean taking it from a very simple point of view. How many gas barbeques exist in the country? I would say they out number patio heaters at least 50:1.

Why are people not calling for the banning of gas powered barbeques?


If there was a more consistant approach by people, then perhpas there would be less skeptism.

Abdabz

Whats funny is how politicians and their paid up scientists tried the "Global Warming" line, forgetting that the public had access to information that shows that there was once an ice age followed by warmth, followed by ice age, followed by warmth... This quickly destroyed the Global Waming myth.

Sooo the government got <ahem> clever and renamed it "Climate Change". Now, because 4x4's forced the jet stream south and caused a flood in Gloucester, people were suckered in again

Yes, the globe is warming, it's what it does (for now) Then, theyll be a turning point where it will get cooler and eventually freeze (if it hasnt been destroyed by a small asteroid).

As a result of this realistic and honest synopsis, I couldnt give a flying ****e about my carbon footprint in the name of Climate Warming or Global Change. I will however save money by being energy conscious as I am, like you all are, a vicitim of increased taxes based on bullcrap propaganda...

Tidgy

i ment 66% of all greenhouse gasses release is water vapour

PeteBrant

Well, the media report it because if you take the scientific community as a whole most scientific bodies support the theory behind man made climate change. They aren't making it up - It's genetal consensus.

THe nearest thing I can find to a list of opponents is here.

List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Compared to supporters here

Scientific opinion on climate change - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Basically, by and large, there is sceintific consensus that CLimate change is happening and Man has contributed.


Same as , say, Big bang theory. There is consensus.

Brendan Hughes

I'm sick of the fact that what once could have been a credible scientific theory has now been abused by all sides to become ideological warfare, and no-one gives a monkey's what the actual truth is if it doesn't fit their own beliefs.

I don't see any problem in finding more efficient ways of producing and using energy.

Brendan Hughes

Deadly serious, can you PM me or post your opinions when you get them? I'm all for LED lighting as it seems so much more efficient, but bought a 1w Philips Decor and, as predicted, it gives out the equivalent of perhaps a 15w bulb, I'd need to use loads of them to have any effect.

Tam the bam

I've got to the stage whenever anything climate change related comes on TV I switch channel.

Used to love some of the BBC nature programmes, but even they now rabbit on about climate change constantly, so I no longer watch them.

AndyC_772

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What bugs me is that, "Have the activities of man caused the climate to change?" is completely the wrong question. It's undoubtedly of academic interest, but as a subject on which to base our future activies, it's completely irrelevant.

The correct question is, "Can the realistically achievable, future activities of man have a significant beneficial effect in reducing climate change?".

This is the key.

- Whether or not the past activities of man are responsible for observed negative effects is irrelevant. We can't go back and change history.

- There is no point making minor savings in CO2 output if they won't actually result in a significant benefit. Such things might make people feel better, but they're otherwise a complete waste of time. Feeling better because you're using an energy-saving bulb does NOT make the world a colder place.

- There is also no point in trying to make changes that are simply unachievable. It may well be, for example, that to actually make a difference, people in the developed world would have to stop heating their homes or driving to work altogether. Maybe manufacturing industry would have to cease to exist. On this basis, putting up the price of petrol again is completely pointless.

Brendan Hughes

Actually, this scientific analysis pictured below does have a good point.

r32

And you believed it, hook line and sinker ..........
I saw a programme that showed how flawed his arguments were. Even his 'data' is a load of b***ox.
C02 rises 800 years after global temperature rises. C02 is a result of global warming not a cause. Spread Al's graph out a little and its quite obvious.

r32

Oh and I forgot how on earth do tax rises stop global warming?

PeteBrant

Wel it gives people incentive to be more green thinking.