Anyone sick of the 'green'/Global warming stuff yet?
05 March 2008, 11:14 AM
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I think its terrible that people are debating climate change....
If it wasn't for all you evil planet killers I would still have to dig through several tens of metres of ice to get to my house and I would still be able to walk to France!
DAMN YOU CAR DRIVERS!
If it wasn't for all you evil planet killers I would still have to dig through several tens of metres of ice to get to my house and I would still be able to walk to France!
DAMN YOU CAR DRIVERS!
05 March 2008, 11:17 AM
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05 March 2008, 11:51 AM
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05 March 2008, 12:06 PM
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Storage can be provided, free, for a period. It's VERY easy to install, and does not cost much at all (Above server costs that is). After 48hrs, purge! Crikey, other "blogs" can do it.
05 March 2008, 12:14 PM
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Hmm, that wouldn't be very useful would it? 48 hrs ain't long, this thread has run for much longer. Would be a bit frustrating really looking at red x's all over the place.
Most people manage it, so perhaps if you can't be bothered, don't complain.
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Most people manage it, so perhaps if you can't be bothered, don't complain.
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05 March 2008, 12:16 PM
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05 March 2008, 12:19 PM
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Don't see why, to use this site, I have to use other "free" sites to post a picture when that is offered as an option (Albeit via a URL option only). Seems SN is "bludging" off other webspaces (Who are prepared to offer free space).
05 March 2008, 01:36 PM
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Going back to another post about a picture. It's a picture of "Lucy" (In the national museum in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia), according to "accepted science" (And along with "accepted science" on climate change I challenge the theory), Lucy is related to us, she is our, distant, ancestor. If climate hadn't changed, meaning trees diminished and grasses (etc) grew, she would not have "dropped" from them.
Mitochondrial DNA can be traced, from everyone, back to Africa. It's passed on by the mother.
Mitochondrial DNA can be traced, from everyone, back to Africa. It's passed on by the mother.
06 March 2008, 02:22 PM
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Can anyone provide a link to proof that temperatures have increased since 1998? 
I've not seen one on here yet I don't think and given how supposedly dire global warming is, if temperatures haven't risen in the last 10 years, then surely questions need to be asked?
I've not seen one on here yet I don't think and given how supposedly dire global warming is, if temperatures haven't risen in the last 10 years, then surely questions need to be asked?
06 March 2008, 03:06 PM
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I haven't got any charts to hand, but I believe during the last 10 years we have had 9 of the 10 of the hottest years on record (thats for the UK I don't know the global numbers)
06 March 2008, 03:30 PM
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I asked earlier in the thread for evidence on how the *average* is calculated/measured. Strange but I go no response - and you don't have to be any sort of scientist to have knowledge of how to work out an average - it's basic primary school maths. Or it was when I were a lad ..... Part of the reason for asking that question can be seen on pages such as NASA and the Warmest Year
See the sparsity of monitoring stations around the world, particularly over the oceans. Look at the effect of using different radii for the area *covered* by a single station. If you don't see that the systems we have place to figure out if the globe is warming/cooling/staying the same are NOT there then you're being rather short sighted ..... (to put it politely!).
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06 March 2008, 03:51 PM
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Complete bill hooks! Though you can *massage* the stats to come up with nearly any conclusion.
I asked earlier in the thread for evidence on how the *average* is calculated/measured. Strange but I go no response - and you don't have to be any sort of scientist to have knowledge of how to work out an average - it's basic primary school maths. Or it was when I were a lad ..... Part of the reason for asking that question can be seen on pages such as NASA and the Warmest Year
See the sparsity of monitoring stations around the world, particularly over the oceans. Look at the effect of using different radii for the area *covered* by a single station. If you don't see that the systems we have place to figure out if the globe is warming/cooling/staying the same are NOT there then you're being rather short sighted ..... (to put it politely!).
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I asked earlier in the thread for evidence on how the *average* is calculated/measured. Strange but I go no response - and you don't have to be any sort of scientist to have knowledge of how to work out an average - it's basic primary school maths. Or it was when I were a lad ..... Part of the reason for asking that question can be seen on pages such as NASA and the Warmest Year
See the sparsity of monitoring stations around the world, particularly over the oceans. Look at the effect of using different radii for the area *covered* by a single station. If you don't see that the systems we have place to figure out if the globe is warming/cooling/staying the same are NOT there then you're being rather short sighted ..... (to put it politely!).
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06 March 2008, 04:00 PM
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I've done some digging and can't find anywhere that doesn't say that 1998 was the hottest year on record.
Given how much CO2 levels must have increased since then, how come temperatures have never reached that level again?
The last 10 years are supposedly the worst for carbon emmissions and yet temps haven't gone that high again!
Given how much CO2 levels must have increased since then, how come temperatures have never reached that level again?
The last 10 years are supposedly the worst for carbon emmissions and yet temps haven't gone that high again!
06 March 2008, 04:22 PM
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06 March 2008, 04:38 PM
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Really? Better than the US? Show me? And show me that they still don't have the same issues as the rest of the world. You still haven't answered the question about *HOW* a global average can be calculated from such a paucity of temperature monitoring stations. As I said, apply your primary school maths to the problem and you'll see it's impossible!
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Don't know if the US system is better, but ours is certainly older.
As for global averages, I have no idea, I'll let the scientists answer that one
07 March 2008, 08:34 AM
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Here's a scientist's view for you.
American Thinker: Is there an average global temperature?
I see no-one has disputed that the hottest year on record was 1998, even using the possibly flawed method described above.
Can I take this to mean that Scoobynet is in agreement then, that temperatures haven't risen in the last 10 years?
American Thinker: Is there an average global temperature?
I see no-one has disputed that the hottest year on record was 1998, even using the possibly flawed method described above.
Can I take this to mean that Scoobynet is in agreement then, that temperatures haven't risen in the last 10 years?
07 March 2008, 08:53 AM
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And that link is an absolute joke - It would be like me putting up a "freinds of the earth" site as a source.
Its quite simple if the global average temperature goes up then the planet is warmer.
On the whole, taken as an average, temps are going up.
07 March 2008, 09:03 AM
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Ah! The old politicians trick. Say something often enough and loudly enough and people will believe you.
As for 'ask the scientists' about a global average - why? It's primary school mathematics plus being able to read a thermometer. Or did you fail primary school maths???? (Aimed at Martin2005 that one - maybe that was the yrear he was born so hasn't done any 'maffs' yet ....)
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As for 'ask the scientists' about a global average - why? It's primary school mathematics plus being able to read a thermometer. Or did you fail primary school maths???? (Aimed at Martin2005 that one - maybe that was the yrear he was born so hasn't done any 'maffs' yet ....)
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07 March 2008, 09:10 AM
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Every available bit of research I can find shows an upward trend for the last 100 years or so (i.e. since temps were relaibly recorded) - If you have one that shows a downward one, then of course I'll look at it.
07 March 2008, 01:25 PM
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07 March 2008, 01:45 PM
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I think you are right, and also it is undeniable that the climate has changed over the past years. But can you say for certain that it is all due to Man's effect on the planet or is it cyclical? I personally think it is a combination, but if we stopped producing any CO2 or excessive water vapour, that the temperature rise would continue.
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There is the "anomolly" now of the temperature "plataeu" form 1998. I wonder how all the climate models "missed" that?
07 March 2008, 02:16 PM
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I have seen our climate changing significantly over a period of years. What else do you want me to say?
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07 March 2008, 02:22 PM
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Ah! The old politicians trick. Say something often enough and loudly enough and people will believe you.
As for 'ask the scientists' about a global average - why? It's primary school mathematics plus being able to read a thermometer. Or did you fail primary school maths???? (Aimed at Martin2005 that one - maybe that was the yrear he was born so hasn't done any 'maffs' yet ....)
Dave
As for 'ask the scientists' about a global average - why? It's primary school mathematics plus being able to read a thermometer. Or did you fail primary school maths???? (Aimed at Martin2005 that one - maybe that was the yrear he was born so hasn't done any 'maffs' yet ....)
Dave
How fcking dare you insult me like that
I'll say no more or I'll be infracted
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07 March 2008, 02:24 PM
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Climate changes, always has, always will. And eventually, the Earth will be burnt to dust!
07 March 2008, 02:29 PM
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I want/expect nothing from you, persoanlly. What I expect every individual to do is examine the real data, not what the IPCC, Govn't and Al "I invented the internet" Gore tells you what is fact. It isn't fact.
Climate changes, always has, always will. And eventually, the Earth will be burnt to dust!
Climate changes, always has, always will. And eventually, the Earth will be burnt to dust!