Odds on

Unfortunately some have taken the 'Free' part not in the spirit it's meant.

Suresh

Nonsense. They'll split into groups and start fighting amongst themselves Iraq-style.

Prasius

iTrader: (1)

Yes, they're a fine upstanding supporter of democracy in the Middle East..


Ummmmmmm... errrrrr.... *cough*

Odds on

mpr

well why can't they just get on and do it now then?

I'm worried that the common enemy (i.e. us) will unite them...

Aaquil

I am a practising Muslim and was born in the UK. Yes it is true that Muslims do approach 'scholars' for help in problems such as marriage and disputes but normally it is to seek advice rather than go over the rule of UK Law. Most Muslims get married in two way...Islamically and by UK Law as this makes the marriage legitimate...regards divorce and stuff like that it does need an 'scholar' to seek advice in order to know what to do Islamically and that is about it. Islamically it is very easy to marry and divorce but marriage for the right reasons and with a view to staying together long term should be the initial intention.

If people are unhappy regards the laws of this land and they feel that it conflicts so much with the laws in the belief that they follow then the best thing for them is to leave and go somewhere where it does not...the earth is a very vast place...Iraq or some small village in Pakistan would be a good start! Ah soon they will change their tune. In terms of the west the UK is very tolerant to other beliefs and I feel if statement like this continue it will soon lose that most excellent trait...

Regards the stoning of the raped woman in Saudi that is a nonsense the actual events have been twisted as much is in the media...rape in Islam is deadly serious involving serious punishment and in some cases death for the perputrator not the victim. Saudi has its problems don't get me wrong but that is not what happened.

Odds on

I can't rate your post, if I could it would get a

thesyn

I take the Maynard Keynes view that: in the long term we will all all be dead. So who cares.
Yes I know kids etc but I will advise mine to emigrate!

Holy Ghost

an exemplary rant against the Pathetic Primate's latest brain-fart/follow-through right here ... unadulterated genius, the title in particular [if you're old enough to remember the clash].

The Devil's Kitchen

Klaatu

Why then is an outspoken "muslim" woman is STILL living in exile and why is there still a price on the head of Salman Rushdie?

spider

iTrader: (1)

Hmm - shades of Henry II perhaps? "Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?"

Perhaps Williams sees himself as the next Thomas Becket Murder of Thomas Becket

EvilBevel

There isn't, since 1998 IIRC. The "fatwa" was annuled. Of course there will still be fruitcakes who actually will try to kill him.

As to the topic at hand: "The Sharia" doesn't exist. There is no full scale Islamic law system. And the bits that do exist (mostly family law, trading laws, hygiene, sexuality...) are not fully agreed upon.

Sharia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There are many scholars that say democracy is 98% in accordance with Islamic beliefs. Apart from that, you are supposed to live by the secular law when you are not living in an "Islamic country" (whatever that is).

Don't worry about the Sharia in the UK. It will never happen. We'd have a democracy in Iraq long before that *cough*.

GC8WRX

I will die before sharia law is even considered in england!

Why would i want a bunch of people who hate western values, but live in the west to have a say in any court case or domestic dispute!

A guy in saudi arabia has just been put on death row for being pissed up

If they want sharia law, **** off back to your homeland!

Me and alot of other people my age are willing to fight for our cause, even if the government are not!

This is not, and if i can help it, never will be a muslim country so take your sharia law and **** off

DCI Gene Hunt

So then, to clarify.... are you saying you're "for" or "against" Sharia Law in the UK

andythejock01wrx

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Aaquil, cheers for clearing that up, I suspect that it is a bit of journalistic licence as you say.

Have you seen the bugger, he looks like a Beardy Paedo with demonic eyebrows.

andythejock01wrx

I've given him an "A" for ya.

andythejock01wrx

He looks like Abu Hamsa ?

Leslie

Hard to believe that not only some people from the 3.5% or so of our population who are Muslim can move into our country and start to demand that Sharia law should be instituted instead of our own.

Just as hard to see the remarks in that respect from that plonker who supposedly is such an important part of the Church of England.

At least the Government has come out against it, I honestly hope they really mean it.

Les

fatherpierre

It just shows what a weak, PC country we have become when we allow even the suggestion of what is an alien, and frankly brutal regime to even be considered by those with power in what they say.

The BNP will be rubbing their hands with glee at that idiot's ramblings, and watching their membership swell.

SJ_Skyline

I thought it was the bishop of York that usually put his foot in it. We've had the bishop of Southwark breaking into someone's car, and now Rowan Williams with this. Have they found the key to the communion wine cupboard or something?

MrRA

They are in OUR country so why can't they adopt parts OUR law in order for 'social cohesion'.

Aaquil

Klaatu...the death sentence for Salman Rushdie was from the Iran...by an evil, demonic dictator who thankfully died a long time ago not Saudi Arabia. I do not know the story about the outspoken woman who is in exile but let us look at both sides of the story before we jump to our own conclusions...even if it was true. Maybe if it is true and there has been injustice and oppression to that women it is due to extremists who need to be put right...but I did state in my last post 'Saudi has its problems'.

Anyway thanks for the replies Odds on and andythejock. JACKO I don't understand what you mean by the post.

Martin2005

I've never read so much ill-informed and frankly inflamatory comment!

No one has suggested changing English law in anyway, the suggestion from the AC was to accomodate some civil 'arbitration' from some aspects of Sharia law.

This has nothing to do with, changing law, over-running 'the English' or anything else.

We already have this accomodation for other religious groups, so why all the hysteria?

fatherpierre

You've not been on SN much then?

lozgti

He's great

As to the thread,how about the conflicts in divorce law?I understand its a bit easy to untie the knot on the Sharia front?

GlesgaKiss

I cant believe this debate has even come up. If people want to come to britain to live they should live under our laws, not their own. What more can I say really, its simple...NO!

OllyK

From 2006
BBC NEWS | Magazine | The end of one law for all?

Aaquil

Yep...MARTIN2005 I second that and you are right but the whole problem is that it brings Islam back into the'spotlight' which is always a bad thing these days. It is a classic case of people hearing what they want to hear and the media bandwagon helping to put fuel on the fire. This kind of stuff has been going on between Muslims for years when advice and resolution has been needed between relatives and spouses. The Jews have a similar system why did he feel to bring it up...it has no need of recognition as it not such a special thing to need that...why not mention the Jewish system or the Gypsy system?!!! Rather than being a off the cuff statement it seems very well calculated as it has caused more problems for the Muslims within our UK communities.

fatherpierre

I suppose because the Jews/Gypsies aren't posing a terrorist threat to the Western world.

If they were they too would be vilified in a similar manner.

Media hype lumping all muslims into one, it would seem.