Sharia Law in the UK is "inevitable"
08 February 2008, 05:25 PM
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And what makes you think that you need 50% of the population to win an election? You only need a well organised minority to win an election.... and I wonder what would happen if the word went out to all the mosques that you should do your duty and vote for the Islam party? hmmm I can see a well organised minority forming a lot sooner than people would like to think!
08 February 2008, 05:28 PM
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I've never read so much ill-informed and frankly inflamatory comment!
No one has suggested changing English law in anyway, the suggestion from the AC was to accomodate some civil 'arbitration' from some aspects of Sharia law.
This has nothing to do with, changing law, over-running 'the English' or anything else.
We already have this accomodation for other religious groups, so why all the hysteria?
No one has suggested changing English law in anyway, the suggestion from the AC was to accomodate some civil 'arbitration' from some aspects of Sharia law.
This has nothing to do with, changing law, over-running 'the English' or anything else.
We already have this accomodation for other religious groups, so why all the hysteria?
08 February 2008, 05:46 PM
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The concern I have is how this suggestion would be interpreted with regards to things like divorce, child custody, etc; which the majority of Islamic countries seriously discriminate against the female involved in such cases, and because of the "closed" nature of some British Muslim communities (that I'd possibly suggest is a bigger problem with British Muslims than British Jews - as an example), could potentially prove to be very difficult to 'police' in order to prove that the decisions made abide by British moral values and are sound.
I could see this as becoming a serious threat to female British Muslims in SOME British Muslim communities.
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08 February 2008, 05:47 PM
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The Daily Mash - ARCHBISHOP OF CANTERBURY LOSES MIND
this is the real story - the ramblings of a bearded old socialist in a frock.
this is the real story - the ramblings of a bearded old socialist in a frock.
09 February 2008, 02:49 PM
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I will die before sharia law is even considered in england!
Why would i want a bunch of people who hate western values, but live in the west
to have a say in any court case or domestic dispute!
A guy in saudi arabia has just been put on death row for being pissed up
If they want sharia law, **** off back to your homeland!
Me and alot of other people my age are willing to fight for our cause, even if the government are not!
This is not, and if i can help it, never will be a muslim country so take your sharia law and **** off
Why would i want a bunch of people who hate western values, but live in the west
to have a say in any court case or domestic dispute!A guy in saudi arabia has just been put on death row for being pissed up
If they want sharia law, **** off back to your homeland!
Me and alot of other people my age are willing to fight for our cause, even if the government are not!
This is not, and if i can help it, never will be a muslim country so take your sharia law and **** off
No one has suggested changing our laws, none of the AC suggestions would affect YOU in any way shape or form; unless you are a Muslim planning to get married or divorced, and WANT sharia abitration.
And this nonesense about 'if you don't like it get out', they are as British as you and I, therefore they could make the same suggestion to you.
If anyone was planning to change our criminal or common laws to reflect Sharia law I would be the first in line to fight it.
Such badly thought out and ignorant comment do nothing but make the situation worse, maybe that is your intention?
09 February 2008, 02:55 PM
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Holland will be the first country in Europe to adopt Sharia law and become an Islamic state, but France and the UK will no doubt follow soon after.
It's almost certain to happen as muslims are immigrating in large numbers to Western countries, and they have very large families so quickly grow in numbers. As soon as they have enough to win a majority vote then Sharia law it is
It's almost certain to happen as muslims are immigrating in large numbers to Western countries, and they have very large families so quickly grow in numbers. As soon as they have enough to win a majority vote then Sharia law it is
09 February 2008, 06:55 PM
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Why has no one (and I don't mean just on Scoobynet) called for the resignation of the head of the Church of England. This should be the call.
How can the leader of the church be soo out of touch. He should go.
How can the leader of the church be soo out of touch. He should go.
09 February 2008, 07:32 PM
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I find that hard to believe. I don't know exact figures, but there's at least 2 million of them in the UK and currently over 25% of babies born in the UK are born to Mum's born oversea's - a large portion of these from India/Pakistan so a lot are bound to be muslim.
09 February 2008, 08:14 PM
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The BNP will be rubbing their hands with glee at that idiot's ramblings, and watching their membership swell.
09 February 2008, 08:16 PM
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09 February 2008, 08:19 PM
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The idiot Rowan gave credence to Sharia law being introduced in some small way, in itself a suggestion from someone that people listen to due to his position.
He did not think about, and obviously did not consult anyone before spouting off his crap.
He did not think about, and obviously did not consult anyone before spouting off his crap.
09 February 2008, 08:20 PM
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Lots of people have been calling for his resignation, I don't know why though, he made what seems like a fairly reasonable point
09 February 2008, 09:31 PM
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09 February 2008, 10:25 PM
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I think its unreasonable for someone who is meant to be leader of the "one true" religion of the state to condone another religions idea of a legal code.
His position is surely untenable now? I'm not Christian or CoE, but I do have respect for people who have the conviction of their beliefs as being right, without being overbearing. Certain hardline members of the Islamic world must be p**sing themselves laughing at what they must see now as a spineless, weak, Christian church. They probably think they've won already.
I was happy to believe that his talk was primarily about the use of the Islamic code in civil cases (which is fine, as long as there is independent legal oversight - and that goes for any case dealt with in this manner, not just ones including muslims), but after actually reading what he said, it seems to me that he was suggesting a more widespread use of it than just that.
His position is surely untenable now? I'm not Christian or CoE, but I do have respect for people who have the conviction of their beliefs as being right, without being overbearing. Certain hardline members of the Islamic world must be p**sing themselves laughing at what they must see now as a spineless, weak, Christian church. They probably think they've won already.
I was happy to believe that his talk was primarily about the use of the Islamic code in civil cases (which is fine, as long as there is independent legal oversight - and that goes for any case dealt with in this manner, not just ones including muslims), but after actually reading what he said, it seems to me that he was suggesting a more widespread use of it than just that.
09 February 2008, 10:53 PM
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I think its unreasonable for someone who is meant to be leader of the "one true" religion of the state to condone another religions idea of a legal code.
His position is surely untenable now? I'm not Christian or CoE, but I do have respect for people who have the conviction of their beliefs as being right, without being overbearing. Certain hardline members of the Islamic world must be p**sing themselves laughing at what they must see now as a spineless, weak, Christian church. They probably think they've won already.
I was happy to believe that his talk was primarily about the use of the Islamic code in civil cases (which is fine, as long as there is independent legal oversight - and that goes for any case dealt with in this manner, not just ones including muslims), but after actually reading what he said, it seems to me that he was suggesting a more widespread use of it than just that.
His position is surely untenable now? I'm not Christian or CoE, but I do have respect for people who have the conviction of their beliefs as being right, without being overbearing. Certain hardline members of the Islamic world must be p**sing themselves laughing at what they must see now as a spineless, weak, Christian church. They probably think they've won already.
I was happy to believe that his talk was primarily about the use of the Islamic code in civil cases (which is fine, as long as there is independent legal oversight - and that goes for any case dealt with in this manner, not just ones including muslims), but after actually reading what he said, it seems to me that he was suggesting a more widespread use of it than just that.
Perhaps he should be recommending a new crusade?
What exactly do you think the Muslims have 'won already' it's not a beauty contest.
Nothing that I have read or heard on this speach was suggesting that our laws are changed in any way, and these 'accomodations' would not impact upon you or I at all. In fact they would only impact upon Muslim couples that wanted their personal arrangements sorted out using the Sharia code. Again I'll say it again there was nothing unreasonable about this.
I just can't understand all the hysteria.
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09 February 2008, 10:58 PM
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So are you saying that the leader of the CofE should be condemning all other religions?
Perhaps he should be recommending a new crusade?
What exactly do you think the Muslims have 'won already' it's not a beauty contest.
Nothing that I have read or heard on this speach was suggesting that our laws are changed in any way, and these 'accomodations' would not impact upon you or I at all. In fact they would only impact upon Muslim couples that wanted their personal arrangements sorted out using the Sharia code. Again I'll say it again there was nothing unreasonable about this.
I just can't understand all the hysteria.
Perhaps he should be recommending a new crusade?
What exactly do you think the Muslims have 'won already' it's not a beauty contest.
Nothing that I have read or heard on this speach was suggesting that our laws are changed in any way, and these 'accomodations' would not impact upon you or I at all. In fact they would only impact upon Muslim couples that wanted their personal arrangements sorted out using the Sharia code. Again I'll say it again there was nothing unreasonable about this.
I just can't understand all the hysteria.
best idea you have had in ages.
10 February 2008, 11:01 AM
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the conclusion of barrister Dr James Behrens:
"The whole of England and Wales is under the jurisdiction of the Courts. The only way Sharia law could apply directly to a particular area would be for the jurisdiction of the Courts over that area to be removed, and for a Sharia court system to replace it. That would require an Act of Parliament to create a separate jurisdiction (from the Latin ius, iuris meaning "law" and dicere meaning "to speak") in which the Queen's rule no longer applied. The constitutional and political implications of this are immense".
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says it all really - and why williams is a divisive, rambling, appeasing, ill-informed clot who is not fit to hold a high church position. in my opinion.
"The whole of England and Wales is under the jurisdiction of the Courts. The only way Sharia law could apply directly to a particular area would be for the jurisdiction of the Courts over that area to be removed, and for a Sharia court system to replace it. That would require an Act of Parliament to create a separate jurisdiction (from the Latin ius, iuris meaning "law" and dicere meaning "to speak") in which the Queen's rule no longer applied. The constitutional and political implications of this are immense".
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says it all really - and why williams is a divisive, rambling, appeasing, ill-informed clot who is not fit to hold a high church position. in my opinion.
10 February 2008, 04:14 PM
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Maybe it should be, at least some parts.
Currently, some of our laws seem weak and do not sem to deal with the problems that we have.
Our punishments seem to offer little in the way of a deterrant.
Our judges seem out of touch - and in some cases mad as a bag of frogs.
Currently, some of our laws seem weak and do not sem to deal with the problems that we have.
Our punishments seem to offer little in the way of a deterrant.
Our judges seem out of touch - and in some cases mad as a bag of frogs.
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10 February 2008, 06:23 PM
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I'd actually turn the argument around and say that more UK law should be imposed on the Muslim community. I feel sorry for these poor little 17 year olds who are shuffled "back home" to marry some grimey 40 year old shopkeeper who they have never met. Too many blind eyes are turned and these kids deserve some support.
Williams is a naive idiot as you would think he had the gumption to realise that mention of Sharia Law in the current xenophobic climate would stir the proverbial big time.....
dl
Williams is a naive idiot as you would think he had the gumption to realise that mention of Sharia Law in the current xenophobic climate would stir the proverbial big time.....
dl
10 February 2008, 08:07 PM
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I'd actually turn the argument around and say that more UK law should be imposed on the Muslim community. I feel sorry for these poor little 17 year olds who are shuffled "back home" to marry some grimey 40 year old shopkeeper who they have never met. Too many blind eyes are turned and these kids deserve some support.
Williams is a naive idiot as you would think he had the gumption to realise that mention of Sharia Law in the current xenophobic climate would stir the proverbial big time.....
dl
Williams is a naive idiot as you would think he had the gumption to realise that mention of Sharia Law in the current xenophobic climate would stir the proverbial big time.....
dl
There is a very strong surge by police towards what you posted. It's been going on for 5+ years now with good results.
You'd be surprised at how some muslim families treat their young girls..... Pets get better treatment and are more highly thought of.
10 February 2008, 08:35 PM
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Stone or beahead that man............
There is a very strong surge by police towards what you posted. It's been going on for 5+ years now with good results.
You'd be surprised at how some muslim families treat their young girls..... Pets get better treatment and are more highly thought of.
There is a very strong surge by police towards what you posted. It's been going on for 5+ years now with good results.
You'd be surprised at how some muslim families treat their young girls..... Pets get better treatment and are more highly thought of.
Sadly I know that a tiny minority are treated appallingly. dl