Tidgy

could have been a wolf tuning rs, think there top package is 330bhp+ in anything but dry and rollinbg conditions it will fail to get tracktion, but once rolling the go pretty well indeed, struggle on corners though, was one at donny yesterday and mates scoob and evo was wiping the floor with it lol

jasonius

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There must be some seriously slow scoobs out there, or I must have a particularly quick one..

BTW comparing top gear acceleration at 60mph against a diesel..! What the pint in that..? Or put it another way, what would happen if the scoob was in 3rd..?

Also, I'll reiterate, big FWD cars struggle to get power down, even in the dry. The FRS is in particular bad in this respect..! Throw in rapidly wearing tyres and it becomes a no brainer to go over a certain BHP.

There's a certain amount of myth about FWD v AWD tranny losses IMHO. There was a post a few years ago from a guy with a std 05 wrx, who was being challenged to a drag run by a work colleague with a 240hp scoda octavia. Everybody said he'll muller you, although you may have a slight advantage at the start. You know what, the std scoob, giving away power actually walked it. I'll try and dig up the vid for the many non believers..!

New_scooby_04

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I agree, the on-road effect of transmission losses tend to be overstated and it's pointless to compare off boost performance in a scooby with the point in another car's rev range where it is developing a good deal of its torque!

Ns04

GlesgaKiss

Yep, I used to have a focus...not an RS mind you, but the focus chassis are perfection. Fantastic handling cars, and easy to drive. Its not all about BHP at the end of the day...maybe the running gear/gearbox etc was modified??

Alan

rcwhite

when ever i have been out with my car and my friends focus rs we have done some in gear testing not stupid speeds but basically roling SECOND gear rs and rolling THIRD gear my sti i pull on him instantly. and keep pulling. same with my other friends f1 megane. but both these cars are standard.

redwards

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Guys, I hate to put a spanner in the works but the FRS is four wheel drive not two wheel car. (assuming FWD means Front Wheel Drive!)

Ford keeps RS dynamics in sharp Focus - Telegraph

GlesgaKiss

I'm not being funny mate, but its front wheel drive and that article even says so. Think you may have misread.

Alan

hrness

according to the link you have just given, under specs, it clearly states the frs is front wheel drive.

redwards

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LMAO, I think I have drunk too much wine!!

I read:
More power and more complex technology would have taken the Focus way outside the acceptable RS price bracket. And, crucially, it would have had a completely different profile. Or, not to put too fine a point on it, once you've passed a certain level in RS-world, personality becomes just as important as performance - and a four-wheel-drive car with such impeccable manners

Where I should have read:

There are those who argue thus: the ultimate Focus should have a Cosworth badge rather than an RS one, should have another 100bhp and four-wheel drive rather than front-wheel drive to handle that power without the corruption of torque-steer.

Going back to the wine now!!

scoobyhurky

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im not being funny but you all rave about it could be the driver but just look at a standard focus rs its 212bhp and a standard sti is 280bhp then have a look at the lap times on the top gear website just maybe if you have one with 240 ish bhp it is more than capable than beating the car in question on the first post as this car corners like they are in a cartoon
The Stig's lap times - Top Gear on BBC Two - Top Gear

magicgreg

The upcoming FRS WAS supposed to have 4WD and 300bhp, turns out the 4WD system is not a go.

I've had a go in a JRSC'd CTR with close to 300bhp through the front wheels, the CTR also had an LSD but anytime you tried to nail it off the line it would still spin away.

G

bluenose172

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You talking about your Spec C, no contest surely!

scoobyhurky

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are you frome aberdeenshire

jasonius

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That's what I'm saying..!

wrighty988

my dad has a sti prodrive 04 quoted 320bhp.....actual out put 286.6bhp!


i have a focus rs .....not sure bout power as waiting a rr on the same as the scooby went on...but he cant get away lol


and no one on here cant say either of us cant drive a car lol

rombus

Where you from roughly bud, sounds much like an encounter i had in my RS.
Aberdeenshire is where i'm from, prob not you but always worth asking.
If it is, forgot to say your car was mint mate

Of course transmission loss makes a diff mate, it's widely accepted by the experts that this is the case. I know plenty guys running big BHP in there focus RS's and have no trouble getting the power down even with the fact that they have no traction control other than the drivers right foot. Learn how to drive a powerful front wheel drive car and it's going to make you feel like a king, none of this jump in to it, hit the throttle and let the 4wd do it for you.

I've had a good few performance cars and to me it's a no brainer, fwd all the way, especially with the quiafe dif in the Focus RS, it's an awsome bit of kit. After all, your only going to be going quick when the weather and situations will allow, all good and well saying that 4wd comes into it's own in the wet but IMHO that's just careless driving, we all know how easy it is to have an accident on the road and when it's wet the chances are magnified.

bob r

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rombus.......how dare you come on hear and start flexing your 2 wheel drive muscles............

but a very good point you have made and I must admit I would be very wary of any 200+ bhp FWD car.

rombus

Don't get me wrong bud, love my scoobs. Guess i'm like most that own a performance car, tend to like them all.

easyscoob

aye im from inverurie, was on my way to aberdeen , the thing is the rs owner went past me the first time and i thought i wont take the bait. famous last words hahaha dont worry just ordered a few goodies online and ill see him sooner or later.
to the rs owner- youv no idea how much stick ive been getting my mate in the car, he has blabbed to all my other mates etc now all the fwd guys are really takin the pi55. by the way nothing wrong with my car it's just the focus was faster

andythejock01wrx

Actually I do believe that. Would still like to see the vid though.

Phil

Remember of course a certain tuning company famed for its work with Subaru's did much of the development work on the RS Focus

andythejock01wrx

Am I the only one that's surprised at the STi beating the 911 turbo ??

andythejock01wrx

Wary of racing one or wary of buying one ?

GazTheHat

These STi's are quick dontchano.

andythejock01wrx

Yours certainly is.

MikeCardiff

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Could be any of so many variables - power to weight, track conditions, driver skill, driver lunacy, if you want to bounce it off the redline, engine age ( a higher mileage engine can lose a lot of bhp compared to what it was when knew - anyone see the Top Gear episode where they bought 70's supercars ? the Focus RS is a newer car, so likely to be lower mileage with less engine wear etc...).

I'm sure a real race driver would beat most drivers on here on a track even in an underpowered car.

The blob was a lot heavier though, and if it is down on the originally (over)quoted power, then the two cars would be a much closer match.

Another way to compare two cars though is cost - how much does an RS cost ( around £15K - £18K looking on Autotrader ) and how much does a blob cost ( £8K ? ), and how much better would the blob be if you spent £7K - £10K on modding it ?

Its a bit like saying an Impreza isnt as fast as an Enzo - true, but if you bought an Impreza and spent the difference on modding it it would probably be faster. ( The only case where this falls apart is the Ariel Atom, which is faster than almost everything, but this doesnt count as its only half a car )

andythejock01wrx

LOL Mike.

jasonius

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Andy, must be on a backup disc, will try and find it..

Obviously there are exceptions with every car, depends on how much has been done to it/spent, but I've never been troubled by any ford focus, modded or not..!

My comment regarding tranny losses was that, of course a awd car is going to have more loss than a fwd, however, in reality it seems to have less of an impact than the figures would suggest..!

I've been in std and modded FRS' that easily spin their tyres in second gear in the dry on the straight.. Maybe they had worn tyres, I don't know, but this is my experience..

bluenose172

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Correct the lightly moded Spec C that was put up against the mighty CSL in EVO beat the CSL to 60, 100 and 140, with the CSL only clawing back tenths in the process above 100.

jay knowles

I used to have a play with a guy in his 03 plate rs on the way to work a couple of years back,we must have left for work at the same time.Ive still got my sti with tsl333 and he never stood a chance against me,i just used to play with him and pull away at will.JAY