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12 February 2008, 12:58 PM
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I've got a 5zigen decat with a decat downpipe and some ported headers and uppipe, and must say that my car is extremely loud! But I have (touch wood) never had a problem with the police, even when they have been following me.
Does this law only apply to Scotland??
Does this law only apply to Scotland??
12 February 2008, 03:18 PM
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Its not unique to Scotland, its the road traffic act Section 54, 41a and 42a they are trying to apply (I think the paperwork is at home just now). So technically any force in the uk can try passing off this as being law. They are liberally using the rules to bend them to try and get a prosecution.
Having spoke with the MOT folks at VOSA, they said that there is NO noise limit for a car for MOT, however if its deemed to noisy, thats at the operators discretion......also they say if the police say its illegally loud then they agree. So I also asked how can an MOT testing system be applied as law if a car can pass but in the eyes of the police be illegal, as this makes a mockery and questions the whole validity of the MOT process.
Unfortunately I seem to be making little progress regarding the situation that as the car passed the MOT as is, then it should be legal on teh road and the police shouldnt have a problem, but getting any evidence to agree to this is hard.
Thus the best course of action is probably to question the validity of the roadside test as it fails to comply with ISO5130 thus making the readings invalid and thus how can they be compared to anything.
Having spoke with the MOT folks at VOSA, they said that there is NO noise limit for a car for MOT, however if its deemed to noisy, thats at the operators discretion......also they say if the police say its illegally loud then they agree. So I also asked how can an MOT testing system be applied as law if a car can pass but in the eyes of the police be illegal, as this makes a mockery and questions the whole validity of the MOT process.
Unfortunately I seem to be making little progress regarding the situation that as the car passed the MOT as is, then it should be legal on teh road and the police shouldnt have a problem, but getting any evidence to agree to this is hard.
Thus the best course of action is probably to question the validity of the roadside test as it fails to comply with ISO5130 thus making the readings invalid and thus how can they be compared to anything.
12 February 2008, 03:59 PM
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Every year we do a thing with Norfolk Police where they escort us through Norwich in order to raise money for Children in Need; we also attend their Gala Day along with loads of other local car clubs and I have never heard a single comment/complaint about exhaust noise from them.
I'll just note to never go to Inverness.
I'll just note to never go to Inverness.
12 February 2008, 05:13 PM
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Its not unique to Scotland, its the road traffic act Section 54, 41a and 42a they are trying to apply (I think the paperwork is at home just now). So technically any force in the uk can try passing off this as being law. They are liberally using the rules to bend them to try and get a prosecution.
Having spoke with the MOT folks at VOSA, they said that there is NO noise limit for a car for MOT, however if its deemed to noisy, thats at the operators discretion......also they say if the police say its illegally loud then they agree. So I also asked how can an MOT testing system be applied as law if a car can pass but in the eyes of the police be illegal, as this makes a mockery and questions the whole validity of the MOT process.
Unfortunately I seem to be making little progress regarding the situation that as the car passed the MOT as is, then it should be legal on teh road and the police shouldnt have a problem, but getting any evidence to agree to this is hard.
Thus the best course of action is probably to question the validity of the roadside test as it fails to comply with ISO5130 thus making the readings invalid and thus how can they be compared to anything.
Having spoke with the MOT folks at VOSA, they said that there is NO noise limit for a car for MOT, however if its deemed to noisy, thats at the operators discretion......also they say if the police say its illegally loud then they agree. So I also asked how can an MOT testing system be applied as law if a car can pass but in the eyes of the police be illegal, as this makes a mockery and questions the whole validity of the MOT process.
Unfortunately I seem to be making little progress regarding the situation that as the car passed the MOT as is, then it should be legal on teh road and the police shouldnt have a problem, but getting any evidence to agree to this is hard.
Thus the best course of action is probably to question the validity of the roadside test as it fails to comply with ISO5130 thus making the readings invalid and thus how can they be compared to anything.
Hope you get it sorted 
Alan
12 February 2008, 05:54 PM
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Looking at the road traffic act, the sections they have cited you for are very ambiguous and open to interpretation. Worth fighting it for your conscience but maybe not for your wallet.
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