Fat People and Helping Them.
11 February 2008, 07:29 PM
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Right, so they eat more than me and worse food than me, and yet they are thin. I eat around an average of 700 calories a day, and the recommendation for a woman is 2000. Go figure, it would seem to me there is more to being larger than just what goes in. If I was putting away 5000 calories a day, then I would accept I was doing wrong, but that isn't the case.
11 February 2008, 07:36 PM
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It's enough to fill me, obviously sometimes the amount will be higher, depending on if I have a treat. I now generally have one meal a day, two if I'm hungry, but I've never had a huge appetite. I have tried loads of ways to lose weight, and the only time I ever got any result was when I went through a period of not eating at all.
11 February 2008, 07:42 PM
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It's enough to fill me, obviously sometimes the amount will be higher, depending on if I have a treat. I now generally have one meal a day, two if I'm hungry, but I've never had a huge appetite. I have tried loads of ways to lose weight, and the only time I ever got any result was when I went through a period of not eating at all.
11 February 2008, 07:49 PM
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You could well be right, but I find it difficult to eat little and often as I'm simply not hungry. In the past I've tried to take this route, and it never seemed to help, so rightly or wrongly I gave up. My whole family (both sides) have weight issues, so maybe we do have something making weight a problem, I'm no expert. My Mam is a prime example, she eats very healthily, and goes to the gym (she does the sensible little and often thing), yet she still also can't shift the excess.
It's not nice to have a weight problem, but what makes it worse is the attitudes of some about it. It isn't as simple as saying 'eat less' to every person who is 'fat'.
It's not nice to have a weight problem, but what makes it worse is the attitudes of some about it. It isn't as simple as saying 'eat less' to every person who is 'fat'.
11 February 2008, 07:51 PM
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i know im fat and its nobodys fault but my own,
perhaps a huge tax on junk food and a susbsidy on fruit and veg may help others, for me i just like to get home from work and play with the kids have my tea and do nowt,
ive got a very good friend who is an alcholic, hes been in the smithfiled project more times than i care to remember as well as other places, he just cant be helped, occaisionally new aquantancies try and help him but eventually they all realise hes got to do it himself and its the samne with us with overactive pieroid glands
perhaps a huge tax on junk food and a susbsidy on fruit and veg may help others, for me i just like to get home from work and play with the kids have my tea and do nowt,
ive got a very good friend who is an alcholic, hes been in the smithfiled project more times than i care to remember as well as other places, he just cant be helped, occaisionally new aquantancies try and help him but eventually they all realise hes got to do it himself and its the samne with us with overactive pieroid glands
11 February 2008, 10:18 PM
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Lisa, I have met you and would not consider you overweight 
It is not always the case that overeating is the cause of very large people. Metabolism has a hell of a lot to do with it. It really hacks me off when folks generalise without knowing the facts.
NHS is just that National Health Service. We all pay into it and should get treated, whatever. Its not there to judge, its there to help
It is not always the case that overeating is the cause of very large people. Metabolism has a hell of a lot to do with it. It really hacks me off when folks generalise without knowing the facts.
NHS is just that National Health Service. We all pay into it and should get treated, whatever. Its not there to judge, its there to help
11 February 2008, 10:22 PM
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11 February 2008, 10:29 PM
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I honestly believe metabolism plays a part in many people. How else can we explain two people eating/drinking the same, doing the same physical activity, yet one is larger than the other?
I feel I have a weight problem, but you know what I have a good set of people around me (including you Lee) who don't judge me on that. People who are so ignorant that think they no it all, without ever really knowing the full story don't really bother me anymore.
Some people out there are so judgemental of others for many reasons, and tbh, it's those I no longer bother with. I would prefer not being picture perfect to look at any day of the week over being a person inside, thinking I was better than anyone else.
A bit deep, sorry, but like anyone else I have feelings.
Lee, Maz and others, you are great people, and I'm grateful for people like you.
I feel I have a weight problem, but you know what I have a good set of people around me (including you Lee) who don't judge me on that. People who are so ignorant that think they no it all, without ever really knowing the full story don't really bother me anymore.
Some people out there are so judgemental of others for many reasons, and tbh, it's those I no longer bother with. I would prefer not being picture perfect to look at any day of the week over being a person inside, thinking I was better than anyone else.
A bit deep, sorry, but like anyone else I have feelings.
Lee, Maz and others, you are great people, and I'm grateful for people like you.
11 February 2008, 10:37 PM
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Lisa the ones with the biggest gobs about people being fat, usually are the fattest. We will never get any proof, as they hide behind the keyboard.
I KNOW, you are not fat I have seen the evidence
I KNOW, you are not fat
I have seen the evidence
11 February 2008, 11:44 PM
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12 February 2008, 08:49 AM
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Lisa, I have met you and would not consider you overweight
It is not always the case that overeating is the cause of very large people. Metabolism has a hell of a lot to do with it. It really hacks me off when folks generalise without knowing the facts.
NHS is just that National Health Service. We all pay into it and should get treated, whatever. Its not there to judge, its there to help
Lisa the ones with the biggest gobs about people being fat, usually are the fattest. We will never get any proof, as they hide behind the keyboard.
It is not always the case that overeating is the cause of very large people. Metabolism has a hell of a lot to do with it. It really hacks me off when folks generalise without knowing the facts.
NHS is just that National Health Service. We all pay into it and should get treated, whatever. Its not there to judge, its there to help
Lisa the ones with the biggest gobs about people being fat, usually are the fattest. We will never get any proof, as they hide behind the keyboard.
Oh the irony
What a hypocrite you are. I think you should read through some of your old posts before you start spouting contradicting statements like the above.
12 February 2008, 09:18 AM
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Lisa, I have met you and would not consider you overweight
It is not always the case that overeating is the cause of very large people. Metabolism has a hell of a lot to do with it. It really hacks me off when folks generalise without knowing the facts.
NHS is just that National Health Service. We all pay into it and should get treated, whatever. Its not there to judge, its there to help
Lisa the ones with the biggest gobs about people being fat, usually are the fattest. We will never get any proof, as they hide behind the keyboard.
Sadly, having started this thread being fat would get me removed from my job, so I think I can comment on what is considered fat and unfit.
Exercise is a factor that, we, as lazy humans now do less of. I run a few times a week, half marathons and walk to work with my dog every so often. Even the fuzz are going down the annual medical and fitness route.
Perhaps our sedatory lifestyle is making us the way we are. Perhaps we'll end up like the dinosaurs?
Lisa, I have met you and would not consider you overweight
It is not always the case that overeating is the cause of very large people. Metabolism has a hell of a lot to do with it. It really hacks me off when folks generalise without knowing the facts.
NHS is just that National Health Service. We all pay into it and should get treated, whatever. Its not there to judge, its there to help
Lisa the ones with the biggest gobs about people being fat, usually are the fattest. We will never get any proof, as they hide behind the keyboard.
Sadly, having started this thread being fat would get me removed from my job, so I think I can comment on what is considered fat and unfit.
Exercise is a factor that, we, as lazy humans now do less of. I run a few times a week, half marathons and walk to work with my dog every so often. Even the fuzz are going down the annual medical and fitness route.
Perhaps our sedatory lifestyle is making us the way we are. Perhaps we'll end up like the dinosaurs?
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12 February 2008, 09:27 AM
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Superglue their lips shut. Chain them to a tread mill and crank the speed up.
Seriously. I don't think the NHS should provide "alternate" fatty treatment: Gastric bands, stomach stapling, nutritionalists etc. They hog beds, waste surgeon's time (which could be spent cutting out cancers etc), and generally drain main hospital resources...which is intended for peopel with life threatening conditions; Not self inflicted conditions through being weak of mind and self control (same for smoking, drugs and alcohol).
What should be provided is a fat hospital. Bit like rehab, check them in, enforce a strict routine of diet and exercise and eating education. Surgery is not the cure.
Seriously. I don't think the NHS should provide "alternate" fatty treatment: Gastric bands, stomach stapling, nutritionalists etc. They hog beds, waste surgeon's time (which could be spent cutting out cancers etc), and generally drain main hospital resources...which is intended for peopel with life threatening conditions; Not self inflicted conditions through being weak of mind and self control (same for smoking, drugs and alcohol).
What should be provided is a fat hospital. Bit like rehab, check them in, enforce a strict routine of diet and exercise and eating education. Surgery is not the cure.
Essentially what you're saying is that the NHS should only be for people with natural illnesses, i.e cancer or something else they didn't have control over?
So lets say somebody lives in a very industrial town all their life, and in later years they suffer from some sort of cancer due to this place they lived - should they receive treatment or was it their own fault for living in that place, after all they had a choice to move away from there?
There really are some silly opinions and blanket statements on SN, not helped by the various trolls that prey on these threads.
I never knew the NHS was only for people with "life threatening illnesses", its a shame the world is full of people like your good self.
12 February 2008, 09:30 AM
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lets not be silly - you are fat because you eat more calories than you need. End of. If i borrow a fiat panda and put the same fuel in ot that i put in my BMW it will overflow pretty quick. Its no good me saying "oh, but i do the same miles as th BMW"....know your body. You dont have a fuel gauge but you have a mirror!
What a wonderfully educated, and poorly compared comment to make.
Not quite as simple as that sadly. Speaking as someone who has gone from big to small
12 February 2008, 10:27 AM
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12 February 2008, 12:34 PM
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Not entirely true Leslie - I have a perfectly normal met rate, am very fit but actually do have a biological condition which took over 5 years to get diagnosed as doctors claimed it was impossible due to not having classic symptoms. Unfortunately, not many GPs know much about it
One private consultation later with diagnoses and referral to a specialist, the weight dropped off very quickly and no drugs needed.
PS- lisa - YHPM
One private consultation later with diagnoses and referral to a specialist, the weight dropped off very quickly and no drugs needed.
PS- lisa - YHPM
12 February 2008, 12:41 PM
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Through all of this you STILL don't put forward a solution: just shoot down those that do, and yet fail to comprehend that a 100% outright solution cannot be given in a 5 line post!
Blindingly obvious that your differentiating an ACCIDENT from a prolonged addiction and self-abuse. People don't get accidentally fat (with the cases put by the over-analytical ( ) where there are people out there who will point out exceptions such as the ones involved in a bike crash, suffer severe arthritus thereafter and get fat through severe immobility )
Anyway, vehicle insurance already cover damages 3rd party health, it should also cover the health of the policy holder too (as in after-care after emergency treatment).
Same with silly death-sports. One should get insurance cover for it, which would supplement the NHS to treat them after the initial emergecy A&E treatment (which if you note people of an excessive mass would still be entitled to).
What an odd point! Would you knowingly live on the edge of an erroding cliff? Environment is not an ailment. There are contributaries, such as every kid suffereing some form of alledged asthma. And from a global scale, it is something out of someone's personal control; there is no guarantee that any environmental location is 100% safe to one's health and is out the scope of reasonable control to anyone on a individual level. However, drinking to excess can be controlled on an individual level, as can modulation of one's excercise and intake to suit their own metobolic rate - instead of invasive surgery of having staples and bands put in their digestive tract to control it it for them - to phsyically limit what they can digest and make them "feel" full.
The idea of "lets cut open every fatty and fit gastric bands on the NHS will sort people's problem" ideolgy thats suggest that this the solution is alarming at best.
Don't you realise that YOU yourself are trolling by making that very statment and implying myself as being as such? If I was such inclined, I could infract you for it. But I at least can differentiate between opinion and trolling. Make note of that, please.
You've been on this board for equally as long I have. And thus far haven't seen anywhere that put you in charge of this board. So whilst the administrator hasn't seen the need or call for me to be removed, I will remain;
So at the very least try and respect that I am equally allowed to reside and post here as much as you are.
Besides the obvious trolling and personally aimed remark, don't you realise that the NHS is stretched beyond its limits; What was once a service to treat severe illness is now a all-for-one cure for every ailment under the sun, be it self inflicted or mental inability to control oneselve to a common cold. It is not sustainable in its current state, adding to the list of provided services is not helping.
And if you think looking at a 5 line post on a forum is going to the all-in one solution to the problem, thats very wishful thinking indeed.
) where there are people out there who will point out exceptions such as the ones involved in a bike crash, suffer severe arthritus thereafter and get fat through severe immobility )Anyway, vehicle insurance already cover damages 3rd party health, it should also cover the health of the policy holder too (as in after-care after emergency treatment).
Same with silly death-sports. One should get insurance cover for it, which would supplement the NHS to treat them after the initial emergecy A&E treatment (which if you note people of an excessive mass would still be entitled to).
So lets say somebody lives in a very industrial town all their life, and in later years they suffer from some sort of cancer due to this place they lived - should they receive treatment or was it their own fault for living in that place, after all they had a choice to move away from there?
Environment is not an ailment. There are contributaries, such as every kid suffereing some form of alledged asthma. And from a global scale, it is something out of someone's personal control; there is no guarantee that any environmental location is 100% safe to one's health and is out the scope of reasonable control to anyone on a individual level. However, drinking to excess can be controlled on an individual level, as can modulation of one's excercise and intake to suit their own metobolic rate - instead of invasive surgery of having staples and bands put in their digestive tract to control it it for them - to phsyically limit what they can digest and make them "feel" full.The idea of "lets cut open every fatty and fit gastric bands on the NHS will sort people's problem" ideolgy thats suggest that this the solution is alarming at best.
There really are some silly opinions and blanket statements on SN, not helped by the various trolls that prey on these threads.
Don't you realise that YOU yourself are trolling by making that very statment and implying myself as being as such? If I was such inclined, I could infract you for it. But I at least can differentiate between opinion and trolling. Make note of that, please.
You've been on this board for equally as long I have. And thus far haven't seen anywhere that put you in charge of this board. So whilst the administrator hasn't seen the need or call for me to be removed, I will remain;
So at the very least try and respect that I am equally allowed to reside and post here as much as you are.
I never knew the NHS was only for people with "life threatening illnesses", its a shame the world is full of people like your good self.
And if you think looking at a 5 line post on a forum is going to the all-in one solution to the problem, thats very wishful thinking indeed.
12 February 2008, 01:40 PM
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Why We Get Fat - research on genetics | Discover | Find Articles at BNET.com
A very interesting article on 'why people get fat'
A long read but possibly very educating for some
A very interesting article on 'why people get fat'
A long read but possibly very educating for some