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Old 14 February 2008, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by fraser87uk
I work for a private company providing child care for councils in the UK. It was pot luck that this story hit the press as there is a million and one things like this happening like this its just none of it makes the press.

One of the only reasons he will be punished is because it made the press. So so many parents in cases like this dont get any punishment what so ever and EVEN has rights to see the children after.
I bet you a billion pounds that parents of children don't get to see thier kids after cases like this. Mainly on account of the child being dead.

I also bet you another billion pounds that this sort of thing isn't happening all the time.

We are not so degenerate yet that the Murder of a baby is not headline news.
Old 14 February 2008, 11:22 AM
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What a sick bast4rd!

God, i had a lump in my throat reading that

How do people become caper able of doing such evil deeds


Just when you think crimes cant get any worse, something always comes along and just blows you away, and it makes me sick to the back teeth that these people will live a normal prison life here in the Uk with a warm clean bed and three square meals a day

Absolute scum of the earth, he should die for what he's done, very slowly!
Old 14 February 2008, 11:38 AM
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I think he should be topped, He is a monster and does not deserve anything better.

I was also very put out by the representative of the welfare services whose answer was to quote the thousands of children that they are protecting and that "lessons would be learned" as ever.

The point is that yet again they have screwed up big time due to gross incompetence and a poor child has suffered enormously before she was murdered. Dont these people have any "nouse" at all so that they can either detect the danger signs or communicate with each other so that something positive can be done in time? They deserve to be given the push immediately-including right up to the top of the organisation for just not doing their job!

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Old 14 February 2008, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by lily the pink
did you just see this on the news, hanging would be to good for this scumbag

and the social workers are no better, poor little mite

Baby Jessica Randall, Who Was Murdered By Sadistic Dad, Was Failed By System |Sky News|UK News
i agreed
Old 14 February 2008, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
....I want him locked up forever.
wheres the sense in that?! Seeing him locked up will only cost us taxpayers! Anyone like him shall be hunged till death, he doesn't need to live and cost us money!!!
Old 14 February 2008, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteBrant
I bet you a billion pounds that parents of children don't get to see thier kids after cases like this. Mainly on account of the child being dead.

I also bet you another billion pounds that this sort of thing isn't happening all the time.

We are not so degenerate yet that the Murder of a baby is not headline news.
You have no idea m8. I know cases exactly like this but the child has not died and the parents still have the legal right to see the child and have a say in what it does in its life. Its a total friggin **** up of a system.
Old 14 February 2008, 03:11 PM
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Reading that made me feel sick and really upset!! I can't believe the sort of people that are living around us!!!
Old 14 February 2008, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by fraser87uk
I know cases exactly like this but the child has not died
So, not exactly like this, then.
Old 14 February 2008, 03:33 PM
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I dont know why the media are trying to hold out social services as responsible. Surely the sick father is where the attention should be focused, others cant stop 100% of cases within a short time period, that's just unreasonable. I look forward to him being treated rather badly in prison
Old 14 February 2008, 04:06 PM
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I work on maternity and see tiny undernourished prem babies born to drug addicted women, these babies don't cry they squeal like a piglet, they jump and shake and some just don't make it, one mother informed me quite proudly and I quote "that f***in squeelings geting better, he should start sounding normal when he is about five days old like my other three, I told the f***ing doctors and midwives drugs don't do the baby any harm those f***ing tw**s
Old 14 February 2008, 04:07 PM
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oops that posted before I finished, but you get the picture
Old 14 February 2008, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by d5hof
wheres the sense in that?! Seeing him locked up will only cost us taxpayers! Anyone like him shall be hunged till death, he doesn't need to live and cost us money!!!
That's not strictly true, it would cost an absolute fortune to give someone 'due process' in a death penalty case, because of all the safeguards and appeals that would have to be built into the system, £millions if the US is anything to go by.
Old 14 February 2008, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
That's not strictly true, it would cost an absolute fortune to give someone 'due process' in a death penalty case, because of all the safeguards and appeals that would have to be built into the system, £millions if the US is anything to go by.
Common sense alert...who let you in?
Old 14 February 2008, 07:15 PM
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Sorry
Old 14 February 2008, 07:48 PM
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So come on then,

how many of the PC liberal heart brigade think that prison is the best place for this bloke?


whats the cost of a round of ammunition?


kind of blows the death penalty should never be reinstated argument out of the window i,d say


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Old 14 February 2008, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
That's not strictly true, it would cost an absolute fortune to give someone 'due process' in a death penalty case, because of all the safeguards and appeals that would have to be built into the system, £millions if the US is anything to go by.

There is no due process to answer, he admitted he did it

end of!!!!!!


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Old 14 February 2008, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mart360
There is no due process to answer, he admitted he did it

end of!!!!!!


Mart
And if the death penalty was in place he would almost certainly claim diminished responsiblities and then there would be lengthy trial and set of appeals
Old 14 February 2008, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by mart360
So come on then,

how many of the PC liberal heart brigade think that prison is the best place for this bloke?


whats the cost of a round of ammunition?


kind of blows the death penalty should never be reinstated argument out of the window i,d say


Mart
You're not making sense, how does this change anything? Would this poor girl still be alive, would it stop future murders? All you are talking about is revenge, and as I said before, you can't have a legal system based upon that.

I very strong believe that the death penalty would be immoral and wrong, you can't justify returning our country back to the dark-ages on the basis of this foul and depraved creature.
Old 14 February 2008, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
And if the death penalty was in place he would almost certainly claim diminished responsiblities and then there would be lengthy trial and set of appeals
Stop thinking like a PC liberal DD (no offense )

12:00 found guilty,

12:01 hung

12:07 case closed.

appeal? what appeal, sentence has been carried out.

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Old 14 February 2008, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
would it stop future murders? .
It would maybe serve as a better deterrent if they knew they wernt just going to be given free room and board for a few years
Old 14 February 2008, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by girl-in-a-scoob
It would maybe serve as a better deterrent if they knew they wernt just going to be given free room and board for a few years
Maybe, maybe not, there's not much evidence to support it as a deterrent.

Ultimatley do we really want to line ourselves up with countries with appalling human rights records, these are the only one left with the death penalty (with the exception of the US)
Old 14 February 2008, 08:22 PM
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Oh no we couldnt do that.... We have a wonderful human rights reputation... everybody knows that .. thats why it is abused to hell all the time...

What about the rights of that child ?
Old 14 February 2008, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mart360
Stop thinking like a PC liberal DD (no offense )

12:00 found guilty,

12:01 hung

12:07 case closed.

appeal? what appeal, sentence has been carried out.

Mart
...and then, "OH NO WE'VE KILLED AN INNOCENT PERSON"

You cannot have capital punishment without a proper process
Old 14 February 2008, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
You're not making sense, how does this change anything? Would this poor girl still be alive, would it stop future murders? All you are talking about is revenge, and as I said before, you can't have a legal system based upon that.

I very strong believe that the death penalty would be immoral and wrong, you can't justify returning our country back to the dark-ages on the basis of this foul and depraved creature.
Why is the death penalty immoral and wrong?

Torturing children & abuse is wrong, killing people because they asked you stop being a yob is wrong.

How does it change things, easy.. it gets the message across that if you decide to be a killer, then you will be stopped. forever!

what does our legal system say to thugs and killers today?

If you kill someone, you may get 10 -12 - 17 years, but rest assured you will be released.

if your going to give a life sentance, it must be life.


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Old 14 February 2008, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mart360



if your going to give a life sentance, it must be life.


mart
I agree
Old 14 February 2008, 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by girl-in-a-scoob
Oh no we couldnt do that.... We have a wonderful human rights reputation... everybody knows that .. thats why it is abused to hell all the time...

What about the rights of that child ?
The rights of that child or any other for that matter are completely unaffected by capital punishment, simply because it would make no difference to terrible crimes like this.
Old 14 February 2008, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
...and then, "OH NO WE'VE KILLED AN INNOCENT PERSON"

You cannot have capital punishment without a proper process
you missed the point.


HE admitted he did it all the way up to and through his trial.

if he wanted to plead diminished responsibility then he should have done so.

and he wasnt innocent.


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Old 14 February 2008, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
The rights of that child or any other for that matter are completely unaffected by capital punishment, simply because it would make no difference to terrible crimes like this.
That ***** Im trying to stay calm... denyed that child its human rights so WHY should he still have his ? Why shouldnt his human rights be taken away from him ?
Old 14 February 2008, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by mart360
Why is the death penalty immoral and wrong?

Torturing children & abuse is wrong, killing people because they asked you stop being a yob is wrong.

How does it change things, easy.. it gets the message across that if you decide to be a killer, then you will be stopped. forever!

what does our legal system say to thugs and killers today?

If you kill someone, you may get 10 -12 - 17 years, but rest assured you will be released.

if your going to give a life sentance, it must be life.


mart
As far as life meaning life; in the most part I total agree with you.

My stand point is that killing is immoral no matter who does it. Plus I think it would make our society all the poorer, and as I've said before; turn our criminal justice system into a macabre freak-show.


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