alpha charlie

An extract from the Typhoon "Haynes" Manual reads:

The two foreplanes are installed, one each side of the front fuselage, each with its own actuator.
In make up and in operation the left and right foreplanes are identical.
The foreplanes move together, their range of movement is blah blah blah

Canard (aeronautics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

That also makes good reading for anyone suffering from insomnia tonight.

JENGA- Say hi to Jase Edwards and Gav Curson for me
Cheers
AC

Averroes

Scott, love the photos mate.

Alpha, first of all the wikipedia link you provided does not have an article on there. Furthermore, I could have provided something from wiki which supported what i said as it was the "dedicated" page to the Eurofighter but since it can be unreliable for a source to go by i never posted.

Again there is no point showing me where and where not it mentions fore planes as I am not denying they are also referred to as fore planes. What im saying is that to say they are not canards is rediculous. Even on one issue of Janes it mentions canards and if you question Janes then god knows what else to do lol.

I think my sources speak high volumes especially since i have provided quotes from RAF which im sure youll agree is a credible source as well as EADS, one of the companies behind the actual project o and not to mention the official Eurofighter website. Now I dont understand why someone would even try proving that wrong as its coming from the horses mouth.

JENGA

Gibbon

Averroes

you must be with yourself

anyways i think all the anti-"canardists" finally know the truth so we can get back to the original thread where some nice shots have been overshadowed.

JENGA

not bad shots for an ill trained technician you mean?

Averroes

regardless of how well trained, i must say the average Jo cannot get close to the beauty never mind get a chance to take photos of it with their car.

JENGA

you should come and pay a visit some time, ill show you round the hangar and let you see up close the aircraft and boxes we put the fore planes in when we remove them for maint.

Averroes

That for me would be a dream come true. To be honest i had the chance whilst working at MBDA to have a full tour of the masterpiece but me and a few others were quickly shipped over onto the ASPIDE 2000 and eventually i had enough of working at MBDA

Andy T

Did'nt notice a typhoon at first, just a nice wagon

And all this talk of Canards or ForePlanes, ah, I just thought that a Canard was French for Duck !!

No really, an awesome piece of kit, good job you have there.

JENGA

cheers fella

Averroes

It is, it has two ducks on the side

Anyways, i better get back to work

DJ_Jon

iTrader: (7)

cool pics.. liking the blob eye wagon!

all the talk of cannards vs foreplanes - I'd be inclined to agree with the chaps that change the sparkplugs on them instead of a Wikipedia, but meh.

could you make my Piper Warrior go a bit faster lads?

Averroes

I couldnt agree more, wikipedia is always unreliable regardless of how good something is put together on it.

Nevertheless, just add a jet engine to your car im sure it will do the job remember that jet powered wheel chair LOL

alpha charlie

Not arguing with your sources matey, the Wikipedia extract is:

"In aeronautics, canard (French for duck) is an airframe configuration of fixed-wing aircraft in which the tailplane is ahead of the main lifting surfaces, rather than behind them as in conventional aircraft, or when there is an additional small set of wings in front of the main lifting surface."

Therefore the configaration of Typhoon is such that it is of "canard" type but the actual name of the component making it such is a "foreplane"
Cheers
AC

Averroes

On that bombshell last night i did come across something that referred to them as "Canard foreplanes" but i couldnt find a citation so didnt post.

But nevertheless, im sure everyone has read the links provided by all and understand where the confusion is occuring. There are official sources which refer to them as Foreplanes and then there are official sources on the other hand referring to them as canards.

I guess we should put this to rest and continue with the original thread.

Btw Scott, did you take the photo in your post, and if so what camera did you use?

Scott.T

iTrader: (2)

Yep, took photo from Parents Garden which is about 5 mins walk from end of Runway.
We were having a BBQ at the time.
Camera is a Kodak DX6490, 4 Mega Pixel, 10x optical Zoom (kind of a semi-SLR thing)
Picked up for £125 from Ebuyer about 15months ago.





And a few from Eastbourne Airshow last year (parents garden is closer then the average Airshow)....



Not Typhoon, but I like the pic....

Averroes

Wow, do you have anymore? Love them pics

djdexter247

Hi Andy!!! Loving this thread, keeps me giggling for ages!!!!!

alpha charlie

Get back to work you slacker!!!!
AC

PS: Do you think I should come back to the sharp end as its slow in the secret world?

djdexter247

Speaking of work I was doing a job today and have now realised that all along I have been using the wrong tooling for the job....look......






Oh dear...

Oh and after a more accurate search on the the Typhoon - nothing compares website this little beauty appeared -

Eurofighter Typhoon - Foreplane

Which I do believe categorically states and high-lights the said components.

I think (my personal oppinion only) that the confusion lies in the fact some information has not been updated. The Typhoon was originally designed to have Canards (move independantly) however through the development stage it was ascertained that these would cause to much stress and fatigue on the front of the aircraft and also that there was no requirement for an extra roll control surface as the flaperons are more than adequate for the job, so they were changed for Foreplanes (move together).

But hey thats my 2p's worth and I have only been doing this since the aircraft entered into military service just over 3.5yrs ago.

Sharpe end Andrew, we are not allowed sharps anymore as health and safety would have a field day!
Would be nice to work with you agin however!!!!

CyprusScooby

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work can very loosely describe what i do,

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You must be an Officer then!

Averroes

Dj on the same link you posted above, click on Design Features and notice what it says

Bare in mind i have quoted this same website many posts earlier

Also it is rather worrying how homepages to RAF and EADS have not been "updated" as well as some parts of the Eurofighter official homepage.

Prior to posting please do look at the links i have provided which belong to some very credible sources.

djdexter247

All it states on the design features is 'The "delta canard" design shape of the aircraft' which refers to the design not to component identification. It is unfortunate that things are not updated however websites are not legally binding but the work documentation (Haynes manual as previously quoted) is indeed accountable in a court of law and references them as foreplanes only, there is absolutely no mention of canards in the whole of the industry and military procedures for build, repair and maintenance of the aircraft. This documentation was/is written by all four partner nations and is the only standard to which every one works to. So as for a debate I would have to dismiss websites as the information is inaccurate even if they are official websites, and having worked with all the other three nations, BAE Production and Development, Technical Publications team and Typhoon Design Authority of which the nose fuselage is designed and developed by BAE + having been the first RAF person to remove foreplanes from an aircraft there is absolutely no way anyone could state to me that they are Canards.

Kindest Regards,

DjDexter

DCI Gene Hunt

Publishing pictures of 2 hanger (post refurbishment) on the internet isn't the best of moves ..... still, it's not like anyone knows who you are, is it

Averroes

So EADS are providing false information about a product they co-produced?

Also why would RAF mention canards. These are all quoted in my posts previously. Now surely based on the facts ive provided i cant be wrong. Whether its true or not is a matter of debate of course but going by my previous janes update on the typhoon, my personal short term experience with the aircraft when working on the missile systems as well as the quotes ive provided, its very difficult for me to understand where i am going wrong.

I love technology in general, and love knowing about future developments in industry and in all honesty in most defence sources i have always come across the Eurofighter as having Canards. I have also questioned my own understandin on this subject and posted on an international military defence forum where various specialists have said Canards they are. I am not defending my view for sake of arguement, i am doing so as it is confusing as well as ludicrously sounding that out of every forum i have been to this si the first time i have been told htey are not canards.

I hope you understand where im coming from

DCI Gene Hunt

It's a Typhoon actually

Averroes

Thats like saying his name is Blair actually lol

Its Eurofighter Typhoon

DCI Gene Hunt

It is Blair and it's a Typhoon, Eurofighter is actually Eurofighter GmbH, which is a consortium derived from Netma, the 'management' facet of the 4 nations

Averroes

Oooerr but it is still called a Eurofighter Typhoon, cos i said so

Btw on the subject of Canards and foreplanes, i have been searching more articles and in a lot of sources they are called "Canard foreplanes"

Is this actually a blaid vs typhoon situation as DCI hunt has spotted. DCI you may have found an answer to a tricky situation

DCI Gene Hunt

its a case of call them what you like... everyone knows what you mean!