View Poll Results: Would you report them for benefit fraud?
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Would you stick a 'friend' in who is committing benefit fraud?
19 February 2008, 12:48 PM
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One of my salesman had a couple (and their three appallingly behaved children) in the other day who were given finance on an £850 mattress. I was sat next to the desk, getting some figures in, and heard "we'll pay that off with one of the DLA cheques eh, love?" and then, "no, we can't have it delivered Monday, the dog's at the vets" followed by "we'll have a couple of those (£49) pillows, too". Neither worked, net annual income: £29,000. I guess when £1350 flies out of my pay packet at the end of the month, I'll be safe in the knowledge that their vet bill and finance on high-end living products will be comfortably paid off.
An hour or two later, a full-time nurse comes in and speaks to me and selects a mattress priced at £250, as it's "just about within budget". I'm either crap at up-selling or the system's FUBAR.
An hour or two later, a full-time nurse comes in and speaks to me and selects a mattress priced at £250, as it's "just about within budget". I'm either crap at up-selling or the system's FUBAR.
Perhaps the answer is that your company should not be giving credit to people not in full time work. You kmow to actively discourage this sort of thing
19 February 2008, 12:48 PM
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shop them for sure, I would.
Why should the workers work as hard as they do so that lowlifes (lets face it they are thieves) can have a cushty life. I work hard for a living and am on just over 29k a year. Mrs is on about 20k so all in not a bad monthly income, however we met only 6 years ago and only got our first house 3 years ago (at the peak) so we pay a lot for our mortgage. (also a choice we made as the house is cheap for the cost)
Now my wife is pregnant, she is not going to be on full wage for about 6 - 9 months come June time, and I am being made redundant at the end of the year. I wont get a large payout as I have only been here 6 years so I may have enough to pay the mortgage and help with bills for a few months and then if I dont get another job with a comparable salary we have a good chance of losing the house (or selling up and moving to a **** tip).
Would I be able to claim benfits then (legit I would say but no I doubt it, probably wouldnt even be able to seek jobseekers allowance for a while)
Why should the workers work as hard as they do so that lowlifes (lets face it they are thieves) can have a cushty life. I work hard for a living and am on just over 29k a year. Mrs is on about 20k so all in not a bad monthly income, however we met only 6 years ago and only got our first house 3 years ago (at the peak) so we pay a lot for our mortgage. (also a choice we made as the house is cheap for the cost)
Now my wife is pregnant, she is not going to be on full wage for about 6 - 9 months come June time, and I am being made redundant at the end of the year. I wont get a large payout as I have only been here 6 years so I may have enough to pay the mortgage and help with bills for a few months and then if I dont get another job with a comparable salary we have a good chance of losing the house (or selling up and moving to a **** tip).
Would I be able to claim benfits then (legit I would say but no I doubt it, probably wouldnt even be able to seek jobseekers allowance for a while)
19 February 2008, 12:48 PM
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The system is in tatters IMO. I believe the benefit system needs a re think, as unfortunately a system that is supposed to be in place to help those in a less well off situation is so often being abused by so many who think it's their right to sit on their behinds while we all pay for them.
To add, I'm not jealous of them, as I really wouldn't aspire to be a scrounger, but I can't help being frustrated by the fact that so many people are out there who work damn hard to get by in life, while others sit at home/in the pub all day at the hard workers expense.
To add, I'm not jealous of them, as I really wouldn't aspire to be a scrounger, but I can't help being frustrated by the fact that so many people are out there who work damn hard to get by in life, while others sit at home/in the pub all day at the hard workers expense.
19 February 2008, 12:50 PM
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19 February 2008, 12:59 PM
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The customer asked for credit (0% over twelve months FWIW) and my salesman was obligated to apply for it on their behalf. The computers at Braclays and Experian then decide if they'd like to take the risk. Now stop being silly, I'm sure you understand how it all works.
19 February 2008, 01:05 PM
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Shop them, do it on line.
Its not just one pebble on the beach that makes a difference, there are thousands of these fraudsters about, we pay for it. If a bunch of these people get caught then taxes can be used for the things that benefit the general population.
I'd have no qualms about reporting them. It has nothing to do with jealousy, but more to do with rights and morals. Its stealing.
Its not just one pebble on the beach that makes a difference, there are thousands of these fraudsters about, we pay for it. If a bunch of these people get caught then taxes can be used for the things that benefit the general population.
I'd have no qualms about reporting them. It has nothing to do with jealousy, but more to do with rights and morals. Its stealing.
19 February 2008, 01:06 PM
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If your going to shop her in then forget having him as a friend
I doubt he will want to be your friend when his missus is serving time
If you speak to him and tell him your intentions then you will lose him as a friend
Bascially what they are doing is wrong, but it depends if you have any value on your friendship with him
Maybe just warn him that by constantly shooting his mouth off then he is asking for someone to dob him/her in and the consequences can/will be prison
I doubt he will want to be your friend when his missus is serving time
If you speak to him and tell him your intentions then you will lose him as a friend
Bascially what they are doing is wrong, but it depends if you have any value on your friendship with him
Maybe just warn him that by constantly shooting his mouth off then he is asking for someone to dob him/her in and the consequences can/will be prison
19 February 2008, 01:13 PM
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19 February 2008, 01:15 PM
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19 February 2008, 01:18 PM
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Surely by you knowing about it and not doing anything, you can also be charged as an accessory to the fraud that it going on?
I don't see why I should have to pay 4 figures worth of income tax per month to fund someone who is blatantly cheating me out of my money when I also have to pay 4 figures per month, after tax for childcare arrangements so that I can provide a decent standard of living / education for them!
I don't see why I should have to pay 4 figures worth of income tax per month to fund someone who is blatantly cheating me out of my money when I also have to pay 4 figures per month, after tax for childcare arrangements so that I can provide a decent standard of living / education for them!
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19 February 2008, 01:20 PM
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19 February 2008, 01:21 PM
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19 February 2008, 01:26 PM
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Your poll asks if they should be shopped or not, not whether or not you should mess around sending anonymous threatening letters ! Either report them with the online form or keep quiet.
19 February 2008, 01:28 PM
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i know people doing the same kinda thing to be honest, while it is annoying, then tend to live in the kind of places where anybody will "shop" anybody else for anything anyway as it is a flea pit, so i just let them get on with!
19 February 2008, 01:30 PM
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Shop 'em. If you dont, gimme names etc and i will. Its got nothing to do with jealousy, what load of twoddle. What is has got to do with is the fact people like me that work 50+ hours a week are in the same situation. It would be very easy for me to pull this scam, however i choose not to. As for the bint doing time, tough *******. Theres plenty of adverts warning conseqeunces on daytime telly, Im sure she'll of seen em between jeremy kyle and trisha.
19 February 2008, 01:35 PM
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Par for the course, then
I have decided that the anonymous letter is the way to go. The threat of a fraud investigation, criminal record and paying back the fraudulent money she has received should scare her into admitting the truth.
If she thinks im calling her bluff..
I will pretend i have video/photo evidence of the boyfriend leaving and entering the house on consecutive days and have a daughter that works in the benefit office to validate her change in circumstances. If they decide to split up, i will continue to monitor him everyday with more video/photo evidence meaning he will never be able to return to that address. If i find that he has, forward the videos and report themoings.
If she thinks im calling her bluff..
I will pretend i have video/photo evidence of the boyfriend leaving and entering the house on consecutive days and have a daughter that works in the benefit office to validate her change in circumstances. If they decide to split up, i will continue to monitor him everyday with more video/photo evidence meaning he will never be able to return to that address. If i find that he has, forward the videos and report themoings.
What a fantastic friend you are.
19 February 2008, 01:37 PM
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I'd shop them without a second thought.
I had neighbours who were up to the same game - I overheard several conversations where they would laugh and joke about all the idiots who had to work for a living. It made me sick to think that I work by **** off to afford a few nice things whilst making a contribution to society through my work (drug research), whereas these ******* contribute NOTHING and yet reap the rewards of mine and everyone elses hard work.
Funnily enough they used to brag about it all the time too - until one of the other neighbours beat me to it and reported them.
I had neighbours who were up to the same game - I overheard several conversations where they would laugh and joke about all the idiots who had to work for a living. It made me sick to think that I work by **** off to afford a few nice things whilst making a contribution to society through my work (drug research), whereas these ******* contribute NOTHING and yet reap the rewards of mine and everyone elses hard work.
Funnily enough they used to brag about it all the time too - until one of the other neighbours beat me to it and reported them.
19 February 2008, 01:41 PM
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19 February 2008, 01:41 PM
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Well over 90% of Sn'rs so far Pete disagree with you and the 2 others who have voted no. So far anyway.
I have decided that the anonymous letter is the way to go. The threat of a fraud investigation, criminal record and paying back the fraudulent money she has received should scare her into admitting the truth.
If she thinks im calling her bluff..
I will pretend i have video/photo evidence of the boyfriend leaving and entering the house on consecutive days and have a daughter that works in the benefit office to validate her change in circumstances. If they decide to split up, i will continue to monitor him everyday with more video/photo evidence meaning he will never be able to return to that address. If i find that he has, forward the videos and report them
I will then confirm this by bringing up the topic next time we are down the pub. If he doesn't verify the story, i shall pass on his details.
I'm doing what is morally right i think, but giving them a chance to make ammends.
If she doesn't update her circumstances, i will. Ill give her this option meaning i am saving her from criminal record and paying back backdated money.
I think this is better than just sticking her in as she'll get away with the past and wont have a criminal record to show for her wrong doings.
I have decided that the anonymous letter is the way to go. The threat of a fraud investigation, criminal record and paying back the fraudulent money she has received should scare her into admitting the truth.
If she thinks im calling her bluff..
I will pretend i have video/photo evidence of the boyfriend leaving and entering the house on consecutive days and have a daughter that works in the benefit office to validate her change in circumstances. If they decide to split up, i will continue to monitor him everyday with more video/photo evidence meaning he will never be able to return to that address. If i find that he has, forward the videos and report them
I will then confirm this by bringing up the topic next time we are down the pub. If he doesn't verify the story, i shall pass on his details.
I'm doing what is morally right i think, but giving them a chance to make ammends.
If she doesn't update her circumstances, i will. Ill give her this option meaning i am saving her from criminal record and paying back backdated money.
I think this is better than just sticking her in as she'll get away with the past and wont have a criminal record to show for her wrong doings.
They don't go to jail anyway, they just have to pay back what they've scammed (in most cases) and even then it never happens because they've spunked it all on tabs/booze and plasma TVs the rest of us can't afford.
They'll get an interview under caution and told not to do it again.
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19 February 2008, 01:43 PM
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19 February 2008, 01:52 PM
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19 February 2008, 01:57 PM
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As you've said - could be anyone. What makes you think they'll know it was you? Especially as the tip offs are anonymous. Try not to put a sign in your window and you'll be fine.
Its another mark of today's society that we are having such a debate about simply doing the right thing.
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Its another mark of today's society that we are having such a debate about simply doing the right thing.
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19 February 2008, 01:58 PM
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Jesus H Christ.
I'm amazed that any of you actually have any friends.
Presumably you follow the same course of action for any illegal activity your friends may get involved in?
Thats to you Mitchy as well.
I mean you must report them for, say, speeding when you are in the car with them, or illegally parking and such like
Or is it just reserved for benefit fraud?
I'm amazed that any of you actually have any friends.
Presumably you follow the same course of action for any illegal activity your friends may get involved in?
Thats to you Mitchy as well.
I mean you must report them for, say, speeding when you are in the car with them, or illegally parking and such like
Or is it just reserved for benefit fraud?
19 February 2008, 02:00 PM
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19 February 2008, 02:00 PM
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