Lisawrx

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Precisely

I think most people would love to live a life of luxury, not worrying about the bills etc. but that isn't the way life is. I would love to know if people who support those who abuse the system either have no job themselves, or if they are so well off they really don't care about what is going on here.

If it's a case of taking the moral highground, then I really think it's worth asking the question how moral are the people living pretty much for free off the backs of a largely hardworking society.

Lisawrx

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If I was mad at you, and took offence I would have used this smilie

hrness

agree with pete here, everywhere you turn, this is going on.
look closely and you will be suprised how many people that are doing it, you may just not be seeing or hearing about it.
if its a mate then he may as well benefit, (PUN intended) untill he gets caught, his rules and his risk.
or id be on the dhss hotline all night. lol.
and yes i work, hard, 2 jobs 12 hour days, for my money, and still struggle to fill the car up.

davyboy

I'm sure it's already been said, but how many pay cash in hand when it is offered?

Do we really think if we all paid the right amount of tax, we'd actually pay less!

I don't think so.

Lisawrx

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I don't think if we all paid the right amount of money into the pot, we would end up paying any less tbh, but the issue to me at least, is that if so much money wasn't being wasted on those unwilling to work, or those who think they should have a free ride, then maybe, just maybe money could be better spent helping those who really need it.

I'd rather a part of my money went to someone willing to make an effort, going out to work etc. who was on a poorer wage, than subsidising someone who is not working, or basically getting in a position to almost live for free.

JTaylor

Farkin' 'ell! The way I see it, anyone that defends a scab, is a scab. I don't expect the detractors to do a u-turn, so long as they're prepared to live with the label attributed to them by 90% of the community, that is: dirty, unwanted, thieving, scrounging, c!*s. Now **** off and steal 'till you get caught. Oh, and watch your back.

JTaylor

^
Typical advocate of benefit fraud, right there.

PeteBrant

I dont think anyone has defended what this person is doing - Rather some ( a minority) are doubting the ethics behind anonymously grassing a mate.



As for being prepared to fly in the face of Forum opinion, this is not exactly unfamiliar territory for me

PeteBrant

He's not advocating it you nutter.

JTaylor

Attention appears to be your raison d'etre, Pete. You're like Sarasquares without the flange!

JTaylor

So your issue is not with benefit fraud, but with anonymously 'grassing' on a 'mate'. Is this correct?

weeebell

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In my opinoin, its the fault of the government.

They dish out all these benefits and then rely on us to shop in our 'mates' for fraud.

I could see the point of shopping them if our wages went up on doing it, but it wont, so technically, we're not paying for it.

If you dob them in, your pay wont go up. People are happier with money in there pockets = no arguments = happy families+kids.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but if the're not neglecting they're children, spending it on drugs or alcohol, so be it.

I have 3 kids and let me tell you, I love going to work. It gives me a break.
The longest I've every been unemployed was 6months and I hated every minute. Every day was the same.


However, if he's a junkie bas~@rd and she lets her kids run around in shi@~y nappies and eat turkey twizzlers every day so she can afford her 8 cans of super, I'd personally knock on the door, and tell them to there face what I'd done AFTER they've been caught

JTaylor

More utter bollocks.

davyboy

So, have you ever offer to pay anyone cash?

Lisawrx

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If that was a question to me, no. I don't own a business, so couldn't do so in that way. As for cash in hand, I once paid for my hairdresser to cut my hair for a wapping 4 quid while she was in the process of moving out of the country, I knew her well and know she wasn't claiming benefits, so giving someone a few quid for doing a favour is fair play in my mind.

PeteBrant

Pretty much - Take out the caveat that he is a friend and I would probably have a different point of view.

Like I said before, If I felt that strongly about it I would at least go and talk to him/her about it.

kingofturds

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The UK welfare budget is £121 billion a year so technically we are paying for it in a big big way.

If you are out of employment for more than 12 months you should be forced to work in the poor houses to pay for your benefits and contribute to the economy.

If the lazy don't like it tough, their citizenship should be revoked and they be replaced with the foreigners eager to work

JTaylor

No. Our society relies on honesty and decency and I feel comfortable upholding this. Fraudsters ought to be shopped so that the needy may greater benefit from the welfare state via the good nature of the fortunate. I cannot support theft from my brethren.

PeteBrant

I wouldn't have time to type here if I had a flange

But honest guv, I'm not contrary for the sake of it .

PeteBrant

I think, ultimately you are going to get your wish in some shape or form.

Not necesarily in poor houses, but certainly some form of work of benefit to the community.

kingofturds

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I pay everyone cash, people tend not to accept anything else

dpb

I certainly shop them if there wasnt anything wrong with the kid and i dont believe the mother should get a free living either

..total abuse of the original reason for setting up the welfare state - and if more people stood up to this sort of thing everybody would be beter off , morally included

JTaylor

Ok, very admirable. And if the theft from taxpayers continued, what would you then do?

JTaylor

Simply misguided, then. There's no intellectually worthy defence of a benefit fraudster. To suggest as such is to bring one's own credibility in to serious doubt.

PeteBrant

I honestly have no idea - I am quite pleased I am not in that position.

noobyscooby

Shop. Its anonymous and I'm amazed no one in the pub hasn't done it. It she does this for the rest of her life she'll have had hundreds of thousand of our taxes.

PeteBrant

Pfft!. Says you!
Ok, so, where have I defended this chaps right to commit benefit fraud?

Lisawrx

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Shock horror, we agree on something.

I totally agree with the suggestion of making people work for their 'benefits' when it is clear they are abusing the system.

Pete, I maybe reading the whole thread the wrong way but do you really think the OP and this mate are in fact close pals. I'm not so sure as even in the thread title he referred to him as a 'friend'. He also mentioned fears of comeback if he did act. Doesn't sound like a great friendship, and he is possibly fearful of even discussing this with his 'friend' as if any dobbing in happens at a later date, the 'friend' may well think he is responsible, when it could easily be any of the people in the pub, who have heard him bragging about it.

davyboy

OK, lets use the example of home improvements.

A builder, bathroom, kitchen fitter.

If they said I'd knock some money of for cash....what would you say?

Of couse this means I will give you a 17.5% discount to a lot of people.

Brun

Can't be arsed to read all this but i would shop them - all the better if he spends his night down the pub bragging!!!!
Let us know the outcome