View Poll Results: Would you report them for benefit fraud?
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Would you stick a 'friend' in who is committing benefit fraud?
19 February 2008, 10:33 PM
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Pete, I maybe reading the whole thread the wrong way but do you really think the OP and this mate are in fact close pals. I'm not so sure as even in the thread title he referred to him as a 'friend'. He also mentioned fears of comeback if he did act. Doesn't sound like a great friendship, and he is possibly fearful of even discussing this with his 'friend' as if any dobbing in happens at a later date, the 'friend' may well think he is responsible, when it could easily be any of the people in the pub, who have heard him bragging about it.
Nontheless, if I shopped one of my "Friends" I would expect raminifcaitons, I mean I have drawn first blood , so to speak.
19 February 2008, 10:35 PM
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To be fair davy , I think the response to this would be that there is a world of difference between not paying a couple of hundred quid on a VAT bill, and habitually fraudulently claiming thousands in benefits.
19 February 2008, 10:49 PM
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From both these statements I deduce that your only issue is with 'grassing' on your fictitious mate. Everyone has this issue, Pete, but most of us reckon that if they're dipping their hands into the pockets of the rest of us (otherwise known as Peter-thieving) then they're not worth counting as friends. Surely this renders your initial contrary comments redundant.
19 February 2008, 10:52 PM
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I have now read it all and i would still shop them 
And what was the result? 
Funnily enough they used to brag about it all the time too - until one of the other neighbours beat me to it and reported them.
19 February 2008, 11:07 PM
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Shock horror, we agree on something. 
I totally agree with the suggestion of making people work for their 'benefits' when it is clear they are abusing the system.
Pete, I maybe reading the whole thread the wrong way but do you really think the OP and this mate are in fact close pals. I'm not so sure as even in the thread title he referred to him as a 'friend'. He also mentioned fears of comeback if he did act. Doesn't sound like a great friendship, and he is possibly fearful of even discussing this with his 'friend' as if any dobbing in happens at a later date, the 'friend' may well think he is responsible, when it could easily be any of the people in the pub, who have heard him bragging about it.
I totally agree with the suggestion of making people work for their 'benefits' when it is clear they are abusing the system.
Pete, I maybe reading the whole thread the wrong way but do you really think the OP and this mate are in fact close pals. I'm not so sure as even in the thread title he referred to him as a 'friend'. He also mentioned fears of comeback if he did act. Doesn't sound like a great friendship, and he is possibly fearful of even discussing this with his 'friend' as if any dobbing in happens at a later date, the 'friend' may well think he is responsible, when it could easily be any of the people in the pub, who have heard him bragging about it.
19 February 2008, 11:11 PM
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19 February 2008, 11:23 PM
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19 February 2008, 11:23 PM
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OP, You are cracking jokes. I am flogging my guts out working and this freeloader is getting loads of dosh from this stupid lot in power.
I would have no hesitation in shopping them, friend or no friend.
Sorry, can't be arsed to read the whole thread, it's late
I would have no hesitation in shopping them, friend or no friend.
Sorry, can't be arsed to read the whole thread, it's late
19 February 2008, 11:28 PM
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As an example, let's say one of my best friends cheats on his wife, and acts like a complete **** to her. Should I stop being his friend because he is being an arsehole to someone else?
19 February 2008, 11:29 PM
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Certainly not intentional. I shall have to read what I put before hitting the post button in future.
19 February 2008, 11:31 PM
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19 February 2008, 11:33 PM
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Use of the word 'grass' implies that reporting an anti-social common criminal is cowardly or undesired behaviour. Who in their right mind defends someone who is stealing from society? Are we supposed to consider such scum as modern day Robin Hoods or something 
I voted to 'grass' the bludger in case you hadn't guessed
I voted to 'grass' the bludger in case you hadn't guessed
20 February 2008, 12:13 AM
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It is nice to think you place so much emphasis on friendship, that you would hold this view, but take into account how little 'friends' place on people such as yourself. They may be friends, but are happy to you rob you to fund their lifestyle, that doesn't sound like a true friendship to me. These people know what they are doing, and until someone stops it, it will continue, with you, me and others footing the bill.
20 February 2008, 12:24 AM
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Depends on how you would feel after shopping them - but I'd say do it..
It's bleddy typical - those who genuinelly need/deserve these benefits have to fight to get them - those who are obviously pissing on the system seem to have it handed to them on a silver platter..
It's bleddy typical - those who genuinelly need/deserve these benefits have to fight to get them - those who are obviously pissing on the system seem to have it handed to them on a silver platter..
20 February 2008, 07:40 AM
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Well 87+% of Snr's s are of the same opinion.
Im surprised no-one has commented on the actual amount of benefits received for being a 'single' mum of 2. The figure i think is extraordinary.
She would need to be earning £28000 per year just to break even with what she is accustomed to just now. It will never be in her interests to seek work as she is better off than the average UK worker who earns £24000 per year.
Not bad for someone who has never done a days work in their life and is unskilled so to speak.
To make it worth her while and waste 37hrs of her life at work, she would need to be earning a good £10-15k more than what she is now. Who would pay an unskilled mum of 2 that has never worked a day in her life £38-£43000 per year.
More like £5.75 an hour or £11000 per year
I give you the governments ludicrous benefit system
Im surprised no-one has commented on the actual amount of benefits received for being a 'single' mum of 2. The figure i think is extraordinary.
She would need to be earning £28000 per year just to break even with what she is accustomed to just now. It will never be in her interests to seek work as she is better off than the average UK worker who earns £24000 per year.
Not bad for someone who has never done a days work in their life and is unskilled so to speak.
To make it worth her while and waste 37hrs of her life at work, she would need to be earning a good £10-15k more than what she is now. Who would pay an unskilled mum of 2 that has never worked a day in her life £38-£43000 per year.
More like £5.75 an hour or £11000 per year
I give you the governments ludicrous benefit system
20 February 2008, 07:51 AM
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You can easily judge a person by the company he keeps as it's a clear mirror of their values. If all your friends are low life scum, chances are you are too.
20 February 2008, 07:55 AM
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She receives full housing benefit worth about £125pw (£6500pa) - She's stealing this as it should be reduced/removed if living with a partner
She receives full council tax benefit worth around (£1000pa) - She's stealing this as it should be reduced/removed if living with a partner
She claims IS at £59pw (£3070pa) - She's entitled to that
She claims DLA motability that she gets £45pw for and uses that for free car/insurance/tax + servicing (£2340pa) - She's entitled to that
She also gets the DLA Care component which is £17.10pw or (£900pa) - She's entitled to that
She has 2 children that she claims (£1570pa) in child benefits. - She's entitled to that
She is also entitled to £1845+£1845+£545 in child tax credits (£4235pa) - This would be reduced, but probably not by much
She also gets £10pw maintenance from the CSA for her 1st child (£520) - She's entitled to that
So actually, it's not that much that she's "stealing". I voted to shop her, but actually it'd probably cost more to do her than she's overclaiming.
She receives full council tax benefit worth around (£1000pa) - She's stealing this as it should be reduced/removed if living with a partner
She claims IS at £59pw (£3070pa) - She's entitled to that
She claims DLA motability that she gets £45pw for and uses that for free car/insurance/tax + servicing (£2340pa) - She's entitled to that
She also gets the DLA Care component which is £17.10pw or (£900pa) - She's entitled to that
She has 2 children that she claims (£1570pa) in child benefits. - She's entitled to that
She is also entitled to £1845+£1845+£545 in child tax credits (£4235pa) - This would be reduced, but probably not by much
She also gets £10pw maintenance from the CSA for her 1st child (£520) - She's entitled to that
So actually, it's not that much that she's "stealing". I voted to shop her, but actually it'd probably cost more to do her than she's overclaiming.
20 February 2008, 08:20 AM
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She receives full housing benefit worth about £125pw (£6500pa) - She's stealing this as it should be reduced/removed if living with a partner
She receives full council tax benefit worth around (£1000pa) - She's stealing this as it should be reduced/removed if living with a partner
She claims IS at £59pw (£3070pa) - She's entitled to that
She claims DLA motability that she gets £45pw for and uses that for free car/insurance/tax + servicing (£2340pa) - She's entitled to that
She also gets the DLA Care component which is £17.10pw or (£900pa) - She's entitled to that
She has 2 children that she claims (£1570pa) in child benefits. - She's entitled to that
She is also entitled to £1845+£1845+£545 in child tax credits (£4235pa) - This would be reduced, but probably not by much
She also gets £10pw maintenance from the CSA for her 1st child (£520) - She's entitled to that
So actually, it's not that much that she's "stealing". I voted to shop her, but actually it'd probably cost more to do her than she's overclaiming.
She receives full council tax benefit worth around (£1000pa) - She's stealing this as it should be reduced/removed if living with a partner
She claims IS at £59pw (£3070pa) - She's entitled to that
She claims DLA motability that she gets £45pw for and uses that for free car/insurance/tax + servicing (£2340pa) - She's entitled to that
She also gets the DLA Care component which is £17.10pw or (£900pa) - She's entitled to that
She has 2 children that she claims (£1570pa) in child benefits. - She's entitled to that
She is also entitled to £1845+£1845+£545 in child tax credits (£4235pa) - This would be reduced, but probably not by much
She also gets £10pw maintenance from the CSA for her 1st child (£520) - She's entitled to that
So actually, it's not that much that she's "stealing". I voted to shop her, but actually it'd probably cost more to do her than she's overclaiming.
She would lose the CTC of £1845+£1845 though as her partner earns more than the £15000 that is required to qualify for this. Everyone with a kid on an income of upto £60k is entitled to the £545 element of CTC.
So £6500+£1000+£1845+£1845 = £11190 or £932 a month fraudulently
They have been on the fiddle around 3 years now so over £33000 would have to be backdated if they were caught.
20 February 2008, 08:36 AM
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You know what i'll stick my neck out here and say dont shop them, why?
Well admitedley he is rubbing your nose in it which is bang out of order, if he asks your opinion tell him what you think and does he think he's right.
I worked part time for Group4 once although only for a brief period who took care of all the mail for the benefits agency, Pensions, disability etc. and i can tell you now that they used to have a full section on fraud and you wouldn't believe how many people got 'grassed up' on a daily basis, every fraud was investigated as it is in the benefits agency interests not to pay out money they dont have to (obviously)
I'm surprised they haven't been grassed up so far but trust me mate they will be.
Your concience is then clear (not that it needs to be) but honestly they will eventually get shopped.
Well admitedley he is rubbing your nose in it which is bang out of order, if he asks your opinion tell him what you think and does he think he's right.
I worked part time for Group4 once although only for a brief period who took care of all the mail for the benefits agency, Pensions, disability etc. and i can tell you now that they used to have a full section on fraud and you wouldn't believe how many people got 'grassed up' on a daily basis, every fraud was investigated as it is in the benefits agency interests not to pay out money they dont have to (obviously)
I'm surprised they haven't been grassed up so far but trust me mate they will be.
Your concience is then clear (not that it needs to be) but honestly they will eventually get shopped.
20 February 2008, 08:51 AM
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And I comletely reject that your friends are chosen by your ethics - rather your social cisrucmstances choose them for you - by and large.
20 February 2008, 08:54 AM
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What are you saying here? That anyone that has commmited adultery is low life scum? (that covers an awful lot of people)
Why take a vow if it means **** all ?
You either have moral standards or you don't, simple.....
As for benefit cheats, regardless, shop them
20 February 2008, 09:04 AM
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I'm sure those people who made those vows had every intention of keeping them at the time.
So just to be clear, You befriend someone, and after a while you find they have commited adultery (it is hardly likely to be part of thier introduction "Hi, I'm Ben, I'm an adulterer") and at that point you say "Sorry, I can't be your friend anymore, you're low -life scum."?
As for the moral standards being ablakc and white issue, that's just being silly.
Prince Charles, I reckon, has pretty high moral values, but by your definition has none, and is low life scum into the bargain.
20 February 2008, 09:05 AM
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IMHO
U should mind your own
Wonder if the boot was on the other foot how you would feel if you got 'grassed' on.
And I think you should stop classing him as your 'friend' as IMHO he clearly isnt. If 1 of my mates was doing this I would let him know it wasnt right then he could wrestle with his conscience.
Wonder if the boot was on the other foot how you would feel if you got 'grassed' on.
And I think you should stop classing him as your 'friend' as IMHO he clearly isnt. If 1 of my mates was doing this I would let him know it wasnt right then he could wrestle with his conscience.