Dog attacks up some 43% in four years
27 February 2008, 04:17 PM
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I have two male Rottweilers and I firmly believe that all dog owners should require a licence and it should be mandatory to attend at least a basic obidience and ownership class.
The cost should be met by the owners, and I think most responsible owners would welcome this as a way of reducing animal cruelty, specific breed legislation, and the problem of abandoned dogs.
The cost should be met by the owners, and I think most responsible owners would welcome this as a way of reducing animal cruelty, specific breed legislation, and the problem of abandoned dogs.
27 February 2008, 04:20 PM
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Should the cost of chasing up people that haven't attended classes be met by existing owners, or the taxpayer at large?
What penalties should be placed on owning a dog without having attended a course?
What happens to the animal assuming you confiscate it?
Do you make any allowances for animals that have been with their owners for years without any trouble, but do not have a license?
and so on.
What penalties should be placed on owning a dog without having attended a course?
What happens to the animal assuming you confiscate it?
Do you make any allowances for animals that have been with their owners for years without any trouble, but do not have a license?
and so on.
27 February 2008, 04:30 PM
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Should the cost of chasing up people that haven't attended classes be met by existing owners, or the taxpayer at large?
What penalties should be placed on owning a dog without having attended a course?
What happens to the animal assuming you confiscate it?
Do you make any allowances for animals that have been with their owners for years without any trouble, but do not have a license?
and so on.
What penalties should be placed on owning a dog without having attended a course?
What happens to the animal assuming you confiscate it?
Do you make any allowances for animals that have been with their owners for years without any trouble, but do not have a license?
and so on.
Of course it is something that cannot be introduced over night. Current owners without problems wouldn't be affected, obviously, current owners with problems would be.
Ideally you would need a breeders licence to sell any dog, and the prospective owner would need a licence to buy, much the same as you and your home are evaluated by the RSPCA etc before you can take a kennel dog home.
Confiscating dogs would not be more of a burden as you are limiting the options of the irresponsible owner to breed that dog, creating half a dozen new problem dogs and so on and so on. Plus all problem dogs will be neutered when they are confiscated.
If you are in possession of an unlicensed, uncontrolled, untrained dog, then for me it's the same as being in possession of any other potentially lethal weapon and the law should treat it as such.
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27 February 2008, 04:36 PM
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27 February 2008, 04:37 PM
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27 February 2008, 04:40 PM
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Quite clearly I said current owners without problems wouldn't be affected.
Current responsible owners could pass a brief "ownership" test before buying their next dog.
If they are responsible and are able to train the dog themselves with experience, of course they don't have to attend the same class as a 16 year old drug dealer who bought his dog at a car boot sale.
27 February 2008, 04:55 PM
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I mean on the whole, there isn't a problem, so why introduce an enourmous bureaucracy, legislative process and policing overhead?
How do you tell the difference?
I mean the 16 yea rold drug dealer who bought his dog a car boot sale is not going to advertise the fact to "the People that decide whether you need to go on a dog training course"
27 February 2008, 05:02 PM
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So, given that there are 6,000,000 dogs in the UK and 4,000 attacks that resulted in hospital treament, do you not think this is using a sledge hammer to crack a walnut?
I mean on the whole, there isn't a problem, so why introduce an enourmous bureaucracy, legislative process and policing overhead?
How do you tell the difference?
I mean the 16 yea rold drug dealer who bought his dog a car boot sale is not going to advertise the fact to "the People that decide whether you need to go on a dog training course"
I mean on the whole, there isn't a problem, so why introduce an enourmous bureaucracy, legislative process and policing overhead?
How do you tell the difference?
I mean the 16 yea rold drug dealer who bought his dog a car boot sale is not going to advertise the fact to "the People that decide whether you need to go on a dog training course"
Okay Pete, what are your alternatives?
You don't allow drug dealers to walk around the streets with knifes or guns on display, but you'll allow them to walk around with a mistreated dog that is trained to be dangerous?
Obviously any idea can be picked apart, but I genuinely think responsible dog owners would welcome, and pay for, a way to remove irresponsible dog owners.
27 February 2008, 05:09 PM
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Currently the dog to attack ratio is so ridiculously low that I don't think any sort of licensing scheme would lower the attack rates to any significant degree.
If there were 20,000 attacks a year I would be inclined to agree with you, but there aren't (that require hospiatal treatment anyway).
I am sure it is a frustration for owners such as yourself of dogs like Rotties to get labelled when these attacks happen, but hopefully the public at large has more sense than to automatically assume that rottie=death on four legs.
Perhaps the way forward is some form of voluntary licensing scheme rather than hard legislation
27 February 2008, 06:42 PM
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So, by that logic we should stop all people driving cars, because the likelyhood of being hit by a car is massively higher than that.
It would take decades for it become a serious problem 43% of **** all is **** all.
How would licensing stop the wrong type of person owning a dog?
What are you going to base it on?
How are you going to pay for it?
Who is going to pay for it?
How are you going to police it?
You've got it the wrong way round - What you are suggesting is in effect, assume everyone is a rapist.
From this, the logical conclusion is to have a compulsary DNA databse...
You cater for the majority not the tiny minority -This is not an epidemic of dog attacks no matter how much the media is trying to portray it as such - Laws exist o destroy dangerous dogs and prosecute owners - a licensing system will not stop dog attacks.
Law of averages says it had to happen one day
It would take decades for it become a serious problem 43% of **** all is **** all.
How would licensing stop the wrong type of person owning a dog?
What are you going to base it on?
How are you going to pay for it?
Who is going to pay for it?
How are you going to police it?
You've got it the wrong way round - What you are suggesting is in effect, assume everyone is a rapist.
From this, the logical conclusion is to have a compulsary DNA databse...
You cater for the majority not the tiny minority -This is not an epidemic of dog attacks no matter how much the media is trying to portray it as such - Laws exist o destroy dangerous dogs and prosecute owners - a licensing system will not stop dog attacks.
Law of averages says it had to happen one day
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