gallois

spooky, me too. i thought i had a kind of F1 narcolepsy, as other sports i'm fine with.

Hoppy

That stands for me, too. But the truth is Hamilton IS the real deal. I'm not sure which is his greater talent, his driving or his attitude to racing and all the crap that has been thrown at him and McLaren recently.

What really does annoy me is the way that Hamilton (in Spain) and McLaren (by Italy/Ferrari) have been victimised recently, in a blatant attempt to distract them from the main task at hand. Can you imagine for a second that the Italian police and Ferrari would cooperate as McLaren has done in the last few days? Would they ****.

Richard.

PS Remember that it was a Ferrari employee that started all this fuss in the first place.

ScoobyWon't

Ferrari had a history of having crap cars for ages, in fact between 1985 & 1994 Ferrari only beat McLaren once in the constructors championship, take a look at the history books...

1985:

1. McLaren 90 pts
2. Ferrari 82 pts

1986:

1. Williams 141 pts
2. McLaren 96 pts
3. Lotus 58 pts
4. Ferrari 37 pts

1987:
1. Williams 137 pts
2. McLaren 76 pts
3. Lotus 64 pts
4. Ferrari 53 pts

1988:
1. McLarean 199 pts
2. Ferrari 65 pts

1989:

1. McLaren 141 pts
2. Williams 77 pts
3. Ferrari 59 pts

1990:
1. McLaren 121 pts
2. Ferrari 110 pts

1991:
1. McLaren 139 pts
2. Williams 125 pts
3. Ferrari 55.5 pts

1992:
1. Williams 164 pts
2. McLaren 99 pts
3. Benetton 91 pts
4. Ferrari 21 pts

1993:
1. Williams 168 pts
2. McLaren 84 pts
3. Benetton 72 pts
4. Ferrari 28 pts

1994:
1. Williams 118 pts
2. Benetton 103 pts
3. Ferrari 71 pts
4. McLaren 42 pts

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Good stats there, but you are talking about up to 1994. Ancient history in F1 terms. Since 1999 Ferrari have produced a car capable of wining the championship (tyres aside in 2005) whereas McLaren have been up and down - some good, some bad.

Last year was a transition year for Ferrari as the team was restructured and they didn't so much win the championship as McLaren lose it. This year however Ferrari will be stronger again and will probably be the team to beat although I don't think McLaren are far behind and love him or hate him Lewis is very special so who knows what could happen.

I don't undertsand where all these 'arrogant Lewis' statements come from - who cares if he shows a little arrogance, why shouldn't he? He is one of the best F1 drivers in the world and that is after just one season. Best of luck to him.

Leslie

It not just me then!

Les

Fantom

They got a bit better once Schumacher arrived!!!

ScoobyWon't

I'll expand it a bit..

1984:
1. McLaren 143.5 pts
2. Ferrari 57.5

1. Lauda (McLaren-Porsche) 72 pts
2. Prost (McLaren-Porsche) 71.5 pts
3. de Angelis (Lotus-Renault) 34
4. Alboreto (Ferrari) 30.5

1985:

1. McLaren 90 pts
2. Ferrari 82 pts

1. Prost (McLaren) 73
2. Alboreto (Ferrari) 53


1986:

1. Williams 141 pts
2. McLaren 96 pts
3. Lotus 58 pts
4. Ferrari 37 pts

1. Prost (McLaren-Porsche) 72 pts
2. Mansell (Williams-Honda) 70 pts
3. Piquet (Williams-Honda) 69 pts
4. Ayrton Senna (Lotus-Renault) 55 pts
5. Johansson (Ferrari) 23 pts

1987:

1. Williams 137 pts
2. McLaren 76 pts
3. Lotus 64 pts
4. Ferrari 53 pts

1. Piquet (Williams Honda) 73 pts
2. Mansell (Williams Honda) 61 pts
3. Senna (Lotus Honda) 57 pts
4. Prost (McLaren Porsche) 46 pts
5. Bereger (Ferrari) 36 pts

1988:
1. McLarean 199 pts
2. Ferrari 65 pts

1. Senna (McLaren Honda) 90 pts
2. Prost (McLaren Honda) 87 pts
3. Berger (Ferrari) 41 pts


1989:

1. McLaren 141 pts
2. Williams 77 pts
3. Ferrari 59 pts

1. Prost (McLaren Honda) 76 pts
2. Senna (McLaren Honda) 60 pts
3. Patrese (Williams Renault) 40 pts
4. Mansell (Ferrari) 38 pts

1990:
1. McLaren 121 pts
2. Ferrari 110 pts

1. Senna (McLaren Honda) 78 pts
2. Prost (Ferrari) 71 pts


1991:
1. McLaren 139 pts
2. Williams 125 pts
3. Ferrari 55.5 pts

1. Senna (McLaren Honda) 96 pts
2. Mansell (Williams Renault) 72 pts
3. Patrese (Williams Renault) 53 pts
4. Berger (McLaren Honda) 43 pts
5. Prost (Ferrari) 34 pts

1992:
1. Williams 164 pts
2. McLaren 99 pts
3. Benetton 91 pts
4. Ferrari 21 pts

1. Mansell (Williams Renault) 108 pts
2. Patrese (Williams Renault) 56 pts
3. Schumacher (Benetton Ford) 53 pts
4. Senna (McLaren Honda) 50 pts
5. Berger (McLaren Honda) 49 pts
6. Brundle (Benetton Ford) 38 pts
7. Alesi (Ferrari) 18 pts

1993:
1. Williams 168 pts
2. McLaren 84 pts
3. Benetton 72 pts
4. Ferrari 28 pts

1. Prost (Williams Renault) 99 pts
2. Senna (McLaran Ford) 73 pts
3. Hill (Williams Renault) 69 pts
4. Schumacher (Benetton Ford) 52 pts
5. Patrese (Benetton Ford) 20 pts
6. Alesi (Ferrari) 16 pts

1994:
1. Williams 118 pts
2. Benetton 103 pts
3. Ferrari 71 pts
4. McLaren 42 pts

1. Schumacher (Benetton Ford) 92 pts
2. Hill (Williams Renault) 91 pts
3. Berger (Ferrari) 41 pts
4. Mika Hakkinen (McLaren Peugeot) 26 pts

1995:
1. Benetton Renault 137 pts
2. Williams Renault 112 pts
3. Ferrari 73 pts
4. McLaren 30 pts

1. Schumacher (Benetton) 102 pts
2. Hill (Williams) 69 pts
3. Coulthard (Williams) 49 pts
4. Herbert (Benetton) 45 pts
5. Alesi (Ferrari) 42 pts
6. Berger (Ferrari) 31 pts
7. Hakkinen (McLaren Mercedes) 17 pts
8. Panis (Ligier Mugen-Honda) 16 pts
9. Frentzen (Sauber Ford) 15 pts
10. Blundell (McLaren Mercedes) 13 pts

1996:
1. Williams Renault 175 pts
2. Ferrari 70 pts
3. Benetton 68 pts
4. McLaren 49 pts

1. Hill (Williams) 97 pts
2. Villeneuve (Williams) 78 pts
3. Schumacher (Ferrari) 59 pts
4. Alesi (Benetton) 47 pts
5. Hakkinen (McLaren Mercedes) 31 pts
6. Berger (Benetton) 21 pts
7. Coulthard (McLaren) 18 pts
8. Barichello (Jordan) 14 pts
9. Panis (Ligier) 13 pts
10. Irvine (Ferrari) 11 pts

1997:
1. Williams Renault 123 pts
2. Ferrari 102 pts
3. Benetton 67 pts
4. McLaren 63 pts

1. Villeneuve (Williams) 81 pts
2. Schumacher (Ferrari) 78 pts
3. Frentzen (Williams) 42 pts
4= Coulthard (McLaren) 36 pts
4= Alesi (Benetton) 36 pts
6= Hakkinen (McLaren) 27 pts
6= Berger (Benetton) 27 pts
8. Irvine (Ferrari) 24 pts

1998:
1. McLaren 156 pts
2. Ferrari 133 pts

1. Hakkinen (McLaren) 100 pts
2. Schumacher (Ferrari) 86 pts
3. Coulthard (McLaren) 56 pts
4. Irvine (Ferrari) 47 pts

1999:
1. Ferrari 128 pts
2. McLaren 124 pts

1. Hakkinen (McLaren) 76 pts
2. Irvine (Ferrari) 74 pts
3. Frentzen (Jordan) 54 pts
4. Coulthard (McLaren) 48 pts
5. Schumacher (Ferrari) 44 pts

2000:
1. Ferrari 170 pts
2. McLaren 152 pts

1. Schumacher (Ferrari) 108 pts (the first year since 1979 that Ferrari won the drivers title)
2. Hakkinen (McLaren) 89 pts
3. Coulthard (McLaren) 73 pts
4. Barichello (Ferrari) 62 pts

It does look like things improved for every team that Schumacher drove for, so it wasn't necesarrily that it was the Ferrari that improved, just that Schumacher was an immense talent, for example 1997 when Schumacher finished second, but Irvine in the sister car finished 8th in the championship.