Good on you Tony Singh (and Preston Crown Court)
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But I think you need to isolate the re-offending numbers to get a picture as to whether prison works
A good case point is that guy in Texas with his pink pyjama prison. He's criticised because he doesn't really do rehabilitation. He argues that prisoners at his jail get out of bed and go to work on chain gangs so they can build a work ethic. He also points out that reoffending rates at his prison are exactly the same as at a 'regular' prison except his cost $10m a year to run not $100m
I agree with you on the legal action thing - You get rid of slopping out, but you cant compensate retrospectively.
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obviously not talking about everyone in Bar L type confinement (Barlinnie the Scots Wormwood Scrubs) but in relation to the story posted by the OP this was a violent thug who had carried out several armed robberies. Basically a candidate for a nice grown up prison. For me, also someone that chucking money at wouldn't make a difference at all.
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dunno Pete, shifty looking smiley there
obviously not talking about everyone in Bar L type confinement (Barlinnie the Scots Wormwood Scrubs) but in relation to the story posted by the OP this was a violent thug who had carried out several armed robberies. Basically a candidate for a nice grown up prison. For me, also someone that chucking money at wouldn't make a difference at all.
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obviously not talking about everyone in Bar L type confinement (Barlinnie the Scots Wormwood Scrubs) but in relation to the story posted by the OP this was a violent thug who had carried out several armed robberies. Basically a candidate for a nice grown up prison. For me, also someone that chucking money at wouldn't make a difference at all.
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Yeah I know Barlinnie - I remember a Ricky Fulton ( or was it Rab C) sketch where University challenge opponents were all Barlinne cons
At hte end of the day, I beleive the thing that needs to be sorte dout, is the reason behind people turning to crime in the first place. I mean you will a;wasy ahve asome bad eggs, but I don't beleive that everyone that turns to crime is predisposed to go down that path - rather they are driven down it by circumstance. - I mean you and I would never dream of commiting a burglary, what makes them do it?
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Blame culture - always someone elses fault. "Our house is a dump because the council this and the council that" No your house is a dump because you have made it that way.
Likewise "underpriveliged" members of society. Apparently, for Africa the way out of poverty is education, everyone in this country has access to education it is just that some choose not to take up that option. Thanks to over active human rights legislation there isn't much anyone can or does do about it. Coppers can't sort them out, teachers can't punish them and thanks to point one it is the fault of anyone but the parents "society has let these people down" say the newspapers. Wrong, they've let themselves down and until people start taking reponsibility for their own actions nothing will change i'm afraid.
phew, soapbox action!
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Blame culture - always someone elses fault. "Our house is a dump because the council this and the council that" No your house is a dump because you have made it that way.
Likewise "underpriveliged" members of society. Apparently, for Africa the way out of poverty is education, everyone in this country has access to education it is just that some choose not to take up that option. Thanks to over active human rights legislation there isn't much anyone can or does do about it. Coppers can't sort them out, teachers can't punish them and thanks to point one it is the fault of anyone but the parents "society has let these people down" say the newspapers. Wrong, they've let themselves down and until people start taking reponsibility for their own actions nothing will change i'm afraid.
phew, soapbox action!
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Blame culture - always someone elses fault. "Our house is a dump because the council this and the council that" No your house is a dump because you have made it that way.
Likewise "underpriveliged" members of society. Apparently, for Africa the way out of poverty is education, everyone in this country has access to education it is just that some choose not to take up that option. Thanks to over active human rights legislation there isn't much anyone can or does do about it. Coppers can't sort them out, teachers can't punish them and thanks to point one it is the fault of anyone but the parents "society has let these people down" say the newspapers. Wrong, they've let themselves down and until people start taking reponsibility for their own actions nothing will change i'm afraid.
phew, soapbox action!
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Imagine being able to invite people round for afternoon tea whom you didnt particularly like, and being able to kill them until they were dead and get off with it because you could tell the police they had broken in
Rock on!
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Prison should be somewhere you never want to return to. Make it too "nice" and you lose that point.
sticking someone in a cell isn't going to rehabilitate them. It should be somewhere that pust the fear of death into anyone considering re-offending.
Incidentally, you never came back to the Co2/CC charge thread. Can we now agree that Co2 is not the appropriate measure for congestion?
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How do install that fear without turning anyone that goes through the system into a complete loon? Look at sections of society where fear and repression are daily events.....do they turn out the best individuals?
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Cut emissions? Great!
Cut Congestion? Great!
(No one, not even porsche, is going to tell me that typically 1 x people carrier/large 4x4 has 7 people in it and is therefore taking the place of 2 smaller cars really.)
Let find the thread if we are gonna carry it on though
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Astonished it took plods so long
I understand the attacked man had 30 wounds in total whereas the attacker only had one - straight through his heart.
That means all thirty had been delivered by the attacker before the final and fatal blow was struck possibly even by his own hand in the struggle.
That takes about 10 seconds to work out.
I understand the attacked man had 30 wounds in total whereas the attacker only had one - straight through his heart.
That means all thirty had been delivered by the attacker before the final and fatal blow was struck possibly even by his own hand in the struggle.
That takes about 10 seconds to work out.
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