vindaloo

Why limit the options. Do good, pat on head, reward, parole(?). Do bad, live in a tent in pink overalls, limited privileges etc.

J.

PeteBrant

According to the BCS they are coming down, but agreed - Not to any significant degree as to make any odds.

But I think you need to isolate the re-offending numbers to get a picture as to whether prison works

Interesting - I take your point - but do you apply that to "all" prisoners, or to the worst offenders or what? By that I mean do you chain up a tax evader with a murderer"?
Just to clarify, I am not an ex-con But I have been in prisons to visit the odd friend that did something a bit silly

I agree with you on the legal action thing - You get rid of slopping out, but you cant compensate retrospectively.

hectic

if they're that Gung -Ho.. send the fekkers to the Middle East.
end of.

PeteBrant

Fair point!

fivetide

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dunno Pete, shifty looking smiley there

obviously not talking about everyone in Bar L type confinement (Barlinnie the Scots Wormwood Scrubs) but in relation to the story posted by the OP this was a violent thug who had carried out several armed robberies. Basically a candidate for a nice grown up prison. For me, also someone that chucking money at wouldn't make a difference at all.

5t.

hectic

"........One day a rain will come , and wash the scum from the streets......."

PeteBrant

Yeah I know Barlinnie - I remember a Ricky Fulton ( or was it Rab C) sketch where University challenge opponents were all Barlinne cons

At hte end of the day, I beleive the thing that needs to be sorte dout, is the reason behind people turning to crime in the first place. I mean you will a;wasy ahve asome bad eggs, but I don't beleive that everyone that turns to crime is predisposed to go down that path - rather they are driven down it by circumstance. - I mean you and I would never dream of commiting a burglary, what makes them do it?

fivetide

iTrader: (1)

IMHO

Blame culture - always someone elses fault. "Our house is a dump because the council this and the council that" No your house is a dump because you have made it that way.

Likewise "underpriveliged" members of society. Apparently, for Africa the way out of poverty is education, everyone in this country has access to education it is just that some choose not to take up that option. Thanks to over active human rights legislation there isn't much anyone can or does do about it. Coppers can't sort them out, teachers can't punish them and thanks to point one it is the fault of anyone but the parents "society has let these people down" say the newspapers. Wrong, they've let themselves down and until people start taking reponsibility for their own actions nothing will change i'm afraid.

phew, soapbox action!

5t.

The Zohan

agreed, some people need to take some responsibility for their actions and when they do not be punished severly for it. We have a choice whether to break the law or not. A choice!

Leslie

I think that it is perfectly acceptable to kill an attacker in defence of your own life!

Thank goodness for some common sense in this case.

Les

Abdabz

Imagine being able to invite people round for afternoon tea whom you didnt particularly like, and being able to kill them until they were dead and get off with it because you could tell the police they had broken in
Rock on!

Devildog

No relative comparson Pete. Different laws, availaibility of weapons, diluted gene pool

Prison should be somewhere you never want to return to. Make it too "nice" and you lose that point.

sticking someone in a cell isn't going to rehabilitate them. It should be somewhere that pust the fear of death into anyone considering re-offending.

Incidentally, you never came back to the Co2/CC charge thread. Can we now agree that Co2 is not the appropriate measure for congestion?

Snug Rhino

How do install that fear without turning anyone that goes through the system into a complete loon? Look at sections of society where fear and repression are daily events.....do they turn out the best individuals?

PeteBrant

Or try and rehbilitate them, like.
Blimey, don't make me go and try and find the thread. Umm, I still think the whole thing is stuck in a emissions/congestion meaningless muddle- when really they should just come out and say "we are trying to cut emmisions and congestion" and be done with it.

Cut emissions? Great!
Cut Congestion? Great!

(No one, not even porsche, is going to tell me that typically 1 x people carrier/large 4x4 has 7 people in it and is therefore taking the place of 2 smaller cars really.)


Let find the thread if we are gonna carry it on though

DCI Gene Hunt

Well it didn't feckin work in Grimsby

nooobyscoooby

Astonished it took plods so long

I understand the attacked man had 30 wounds in total whereas the attacker only had one - straight through his heart.

That means all thirty had been delivered by the attacker before the final and fatal blow was struck possibly even by his own hand in the struggle.

That takes about 10 seconds to work out.