Some people are gay...... get over it
02 March 2008, 01:30 PM
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IIRC the age of consent in this country used to be 14, and cocaine was not illegal. Just two examples of moral laws, like anti homosexual laws. If you go even deeper it can be argued that any law is a moral judgement and infringes on a person's right to do anything they want. Indeed as I get older I see myself having a dimmer and dimmer view of all laws due to the undemocratic and unaccountable nature of our legislature. Not to mention the slew of utter crap legislation that has been passed through the last several years.
A legislation rollback is what's needed to spring clean all the crap.
A legislation rollback is what's needed to spring clean all the crap.
pity coommion sense is not used these days!
02 March 2008, 03:04 PM
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I don't know much (or wish to know) about what gay men get up to in bed.....but i expect its slightly less repugnant than screwing kids or silting peoples throats.
02 March 2008, 03:10 PM
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You said...
The point about Alan Turing was that he was gay, and he lived in the time before homosexuality was legal. He was found to be gay and was the victim of a witch hunt which gave him a criminal record, drugs to control his libido and eventually drove him to his death.
The circumstances around him admitting he was gay are that he was burgled and the police ended up making his relationship with the accomplice the focal point of the investigation, leading to him admitting his sexual preferences.
The point Meridian is trying to make *I think* is that it was hardly the case that nobody cared and there were no witch hunts before it was made legal.
The circumstances around him admitting he was gay are that he was burgled and the police ended up making his relationship with the accomplice the focal point of the investigation, leading to him admitting his sexual preferences.
The point Meridian is trying to make *I think* is that it was hardly the case that nobody cared and there were no witch hunts before it was made legal.
02 March 2008, 03:36 PM
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I am sure that Meridian is quite capable of answering my question himself.
We don't know the full circumstances surrounding his summons. It may be that the police were informed by someone who was against Turing for his vastly superior intelligence. Why did the fact that he had a homosexual relationship actually come out if they were investigating a burglary? The fact that he admitted his sexuality saying that he saw nothing wrong in it when asked must have left the police no option but to charge him for it. They would not have been able to do anything else because of his admission.
I think it is over the top to say it was due to a witch hunt anyway.
I hold that my previous statement was accurate.
Les
We don't know the full circumstances surrounding his summons. It may be that the police were informed by someone who was against Turing for his vastly superior intelligence. Why did the fact that he had a homosexual relationship actually come out if they were investigating a burglary? The fact that he admitted his sexuality saying that he saw nothing wrong in it when asked must have left the police no option but to charge him for it. They would not have been able to do anything else because of his admission.
I think it is over the top to say it was due to a witch hunt anyway.
I hold that my previous statement was accurate.
Les
02 March 2008, 04:43 PM
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I am sure that Meridian is quite capable of answering my question himself.
We don't know the full circumstances surrounding his summons. It may be that the police were informed by someone who was against Turing for his vastly superior intelligence. Why did the fact that he had a homosexual relationship actually come out if they were investigating a burglary? The fact that he admitted his sexuality saying that he saw nothing wrong in it when asked must have left the police no option but to charge him for it. They would not have been able to do anything else because of his admission.
I think it is over the top to say it was due to a witch hunt anyway.
I hold that my previous statement was accurate.
Les
We don't know the full circumstances surrounding his summons. It may be that the police were informed by someone who was against Turing for his vastly superior intelligence. Why did the fact that he had a homosexual relationship actually come out if they were investigating a burglary? The fact that he admitted his sexuality saying that he saw nothing wrong in it when asked must have left the police no option but to charge him for it. They would not have been able to do anything else because of his admission.
I think it is over the top to say it was due to a witch hunt anyway.
I hold that my previous statement was accurate.
Les
Knitting Circle: The 1950s Great Purge and the Montagu Trials
""Throughout the fifties, homosexuality had not only been against the law, it had been actively persecuted by the police. In the aftermath of the Burgess-Maclean spy scandal, the CIA had pressured Britain into preventing such things from happening again. Plain-clothes police hung around in public toilets, masturbating, waiting for gays to reveal themselves. If they did, they were beaten up and arrested".
......."This filthy witch-hunt is still going on."
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02 March 2008, 05:32 PM
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02 March 2008, 05:58 PM
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"So Sarge, you want me to go stand around those bogs, bang one off, and wait for some shirt-lifter to try cop a feel.... you have something you want to tell us Sarge?"
02 March 2008, 07:58 PM
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I am, but I was working. And angrynorth has explained my thinking perfectly. The whole reason for legalising homosexuality was to stop the witch-hunts, which were in fact very common. Turing just happens to be a high-profile example.
And actually Turing told the police himself, because he thought the burglar might be an acquaintance of his lover, and he had to explain why he might think that.
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02 March 2008, 08:36 PM
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02 March 2008, 09:10 PM
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I cant imagine anyone who is Gay would be Gay just to annoy other people, I supsect they do it as they feel for the same sex what we feel for the opposite, thats a pretty compelling urge and maybe they find the thought of being with the opposite sex as revolting as you do the thought of being with the same sex ?
I think a lot of the negative attitudes are down to old fashioned prejudice, I remember my dad going on about "Wooly Woofters" and "Poofs" when I was a kid so it rubs off, I think he is a bit mellower in his old age, my mum has a mate who is quite the campest little black chap you could meet, my dad helps him when he has car problems and his only token towards homophobia is to call him Marigold in an ironic way.
I think a lot of the negative attitudes are down to old fashioned prejudice, I remember my dad going on about "Wooly Woofters" and "Poofs" when I was a kid so it rubs off, I think he is a bit mellower in his old age, my mum has a mate who is quite the campest little black chap you could meet, my dad helps him when he has car problems and his only token towards homophobia is to call him Marigold in an ironic way.
02 March 2008, 09:43 PM
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I hope some of you less tolerant types dont have a son or daughter come to you later on in life - with the Mum/Dad 'I am gay' speech. Not for your sake do I hope this, but for theirs. They will need your love and support not your black and white this is wrong attitude.
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02 March 2008, 11:42 PM
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**Sticks on the anti infraction hat**
Spend time with your kids and show them their loved. Don't over do it and try to control them. They'll not look for attention else where then.
**hat off**
But - If any of my kids tell me their gay, I'll see that as a failure on our part. I'll still love them, but I know we cocked up somewhere along the line. I'd be upset with myself, not them.
Nature is what it is. Males can't breed with other males, nor can females do so with each other.
If my views are out dated and not PC, I apologise.
Anyway - I'm gonna tell Lee, a bisexual (greedy boy!) mate about this thread. He'll p!ss himself laughing.
Spend time with your kids and show them their loved. Don't over do it and try to control them. They'll not look for attention else where then.
**hat off**
But - If any of my kids tell me their gay, I'll see that as a failure on our part. I'll still love them, but I know we cocked up somewhere along the line. I'd be upset with myself, not them.
Nature is what it is. Males can't breed with other males, nor can females do so with each other.
If my views are out dated and not PC, I apologise.
Anyway - I'm gonna tell Lee, a bisexual (greedy boy!) mate about this thread. He'll p!ss himself laughing.
02 March 2008, 11:48 PM
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Dont quite know how hetero men get so wound up about it really. It is probably to their advantage to have fewer blokes chasing girls - esp the better groomed and dressed ones 
The campaign I guess is to continue society on the 'no ifs no butts, poofs arent nuts' line of thought. Thier behaviour IS natural, has been for centuries, and it is the way they are born. They have no choice in it. It should not be allowed to make their time here on earth more miserable or to be discriminated against by those that illogicallly feel threatened by them.
I've employed many gay people and have several as mates - most are hilarious, great company and very decent people. Agree therefore that that campaign may be too retro for the hetero!
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The campaign I guess is to continue society on the 'no ifs no butts, poofs arent nuts' line of thought. Thier behaviour IS natural, has been for centuries, and it is the way they are born. They have no choice in it. It should not be allowed to make their time here on earth more miserable or to be discriminated against by those that illogicallly feel threatened by them.
I've employed many gay people and have several as mates - most are hilarious, great company and very decent people. Agree therefore that that campaign may be too retro for the hetero!
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03 March 2008, 12:06 AM
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**Sticks on the anti infraction hat**
Spend time with your kids and show them their loved. Don't over do it and try to control them. They'll not look for attention else where then.
**hat off**
But - If any of my kids tell me their gay, I'll see that as a failure on our part. I'll still love them, but I know we cocked up somewhere along the line. I'd be upset with myself, not them.
Nature is what it is. Males can't breed with other males, nor can females do so with each other.
If my views are out dated and not PC, I apologise.
Anyway - I'm gonna tell Lee, a bisexual (greedy boy!) mate about this thread. He'll p!ss himself laughing.
Spend time with your kids and show them their loved. Don't over do it and try to control them. They'll not look for attention else where then.
**hat off**
But - If any of my kids tell me their gay, I'll see that as a failure on our part. I'll still love them, but I know we cocked up somewhere along the line. I'd be upset with myself, not them.
Nature is what it is. Males can't breed with other males, nor can females do so with each other.
If my views are out dated and not PC, I apologise.
Anyway - I'm gonna tell Lee, a bisexual (greedy boy!) mate about this thread. He'll p!ss himself laughing.
) the only infraction I ever gave out btw You still aint got me back... or have you??? 
03 March 2008, 12:19 AM
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**Sticks on the anti infraction hat**
Spend time with your kids and show them their loved. Don't over do it and try to control them. They'll not look for attention else where then.
**hat off**
But - If any of my kids tell me their gay, I'll see that as a failure on our part. I'll still love them, but I know we cocked up somewhere along the line. I'd be upset with myself, not them.
Nature is what it is. Males can't breed with other males, nor can females do so with each other.
If my views are out dated and not PC, I apologise.
Anyway - I'm gonna tell Lee, a bisexual (greedy boy!) mate about this thread. He'll p!ss himself laughing.
Spend time with your kids and show them their loved. Don't over do it and try to control them. They'll not look for attention else where then.
**hat off**
But - If any of my kids tell me their gay, I'll see that as a failure on our part. I'll still love them, but I know we cocked up somewhere along the line. I'd be upset with myself, not them.
Nature is what it is. Males can't breed with other males, nor can females do so with each other.
If my views are out dated and not PC, I apologise.
Anyway - I'm gonna tell Lee, a bisexual (greedy boy!) mate about this thread. He'll p!ss himself laughing.
It's simply the way they are, it's not a nurture thing. The people I have spoken to about it have always known their own sexual preference. Many obviously hid it through early life either through confusion or fear of being labelled, but inside they were always certain that was the path they wanted to follow.
At least you are grown up enough to not disown them if it were to happen.
03 March 2008, 12:21 AM
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Should have had my hat on a few months ago. That would have stopped ya.
03 March 2008, 12:24 AM
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My mate always says "Boys are for loving, girls are for cumming". Greedy bi-sexuals.
Then again, for a big poof (his own description), he "can't stand the screaming queens and limp wristed pansies" which amuses me hilariously.
Funnily enough, for a self-proclaimed sausage muncher, he's not short of female attention and passes the women on to me.
Except for fat birds, who he keeps for himself.
Each to their own I say (and if anyone else has any spare women, send 'em my way).
Then again, for a big poof (his own description), he "can't stand the screaming queens and limp wristed pansies" which amuses me hilariously.
Funnily enough, for a self-proclaimed sausage muncher, he's not short of female attention and passes the women on to me.
Except for fat birds, who he keeps for himself.
Each to their own I say (and if anyone else has any spare women, send 'em my way
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03 March 2008, 07:56 AM
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PMSL @ that video
again, if execution was the answer, i would not have ended up looking at that freakazoid dressed up as a fat woman, while i was having my first bacon sarnie for 2 months
03 March 2008, 12:24 PM
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**Sticks on the anti infraction hat**
Spend time with your kids and show them their loved. Don't over do it and try to control them. They'll not look for attention else where then.
**hat off**
But - If any of my kids tell me their gay, I'll see that as a failure on our part. I'll still love them, but I know we cocked up somewhere along the line. I'd be upset with myself, not them.
Nature is what it is. Males can't breed with other males, nor can females do so with each other.
If my views are out dated and not PC, I apologise.
Anyway - I'm gonna tell Lee, a bisexual (greedy boy!) mate about this thread. He'll p!ss himself laughing.
Spend time with your kids and show them their loved. Don't over do it and try to control them. They'll not look for attention else where then.
**hat off**
But - If any of my kids tell me their gay, I'll see that as a failure on our part. I'll still love them, but I know we cocked up somewhere along the line. I'd be upset with myself, not them.
Nature is what it is. Males can't breed with other males, nor can females do so with each other.
If my views are out dated and not PC, I apologise.
Anyway - I'm gonna tell Lee, a bisexual (greedy boy!) mate about this thread. He'll p!ss himself laughing.
I really don't think that a child turning out to be Gay is down to bad parenting.
03 March 2008, 12:39 PM
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I am, but I was working. And angrynorth has explained my thinking perfectly. The whole reason for legalising homosexuality was to stop the witch-hunts, which were in fact very common. Turing just happens to be a high-profile example.
And actually Turing told the police himself, because he thought the burglar might be an acquaintance of his lover, and he had to explain why he might think that.
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And actually Turing told the police himself, because he thought the burglar might be an acquaintance of his lover, and he had to explain why he might think that.
M
It is true that the Burgess/Maclean affair concentrated attention on homosexuality by the security services and those of us in the Services with access to top security matters were left in no doubt about that. Overt homosexuality was a fast way to a discharge from the Service in those days. The reasoning was of course that you were leaving yourself open to blackmail. There was no other reason as far as I saw.
Must say that I have never seen a copper or anyone for that matter masturbating in a public toilet trying to entrap anyone or just doing it for their own purposes. Maybe I went to the wrong kind of toilet! Seems like a bit of exaggeration there I think! David Lock. Were you around in the 50's to see all these witch hunts by the way?
Homosexuals used to keep themselves to themselves without shouting about it and no one bothered them.
Les
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03 March 2008, 01:10 PM
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No. But I remember the Montagu fuss. The main point being that if you got done in the old days you went to pokey so times have changed somewhat. dl
03 March 2008, 01:10 PM
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Well I prefer going out with men for a very good reason:-
Night out with my mate Steve
1.Doorbell rings at 6.55
2.In first pub for 7.00
Night out with my wife
1.Six o clock.First warning we need to leave house about 7.00
2.Bath
3.Makeup
4.Hair
5.Dressed
6.leave house at 8.45
I'm going to start batting for the other side
As to the thread.I still think it is down to self gratification.I'm sure SN's Anne Robinson will be along to tell me about how even male lions bonk each other so it is fine
(Actually any gay friends I have are fine and don't shout it from the rooftops)
Night out with my mate Steve
1.Doorbell rings at 6.55
2.In first pub for 7.00
Night out with my wife
1.Six o clock.First warning we need to leave house about 7.00
2.Bath
3.Makeup
4.Hair
5.Dressed
6.leave house at 8.45
I'm going to start batting for the other side
As to the thread.I still think it is down to self gratification.I'm sure SN's Anne Robinson will be along to tell me about how even male lions bonk each other so it is fine
(Actually any gay friends I have are fine and don't shout it from the rooftops)
03 March 2008, 01:20 PM
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Reminded me of that old - repeat old - joke.......
Hubbie shouts to wife "OK darling. Put your coat on and turn off the heating"
"Why", she says all excitedly. "Are we going out?"
"No, I am"
Hubbie shouts to wife "OK darling. Put your coat on and turn off the heating"
"Why", she says all excitedly. "Are we going out?"
"No, I am"
03 March 2008, 02:11 PM
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What's the point when small-minded people keep repeating over and over and OVER again about how homosexuality is all just "wrong", or worse/more laughably, just for self gratification reasons? No point at all really. Carry on.
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Some couple this week have been banned from fostering children, because they refused to sign something to say they approved of gays.
WTF relevance is that to fostering some kid who's stuck in a children's home. I bet these do gooders don't go in and tell the child "we had a loving couple lined up for you, but because they refuse to promote homosexuality you will have to stay in care"!
This country is seriously screwed up!
WTF relevance is that to fostering some kid who's stuck in a children's home. I bet these do gooders don't go in and tell the child "we had a loving couple lined up for you, but because they refuse to promote homosexuality you will have to stay in care"!
This country is seriously screwed up!