Advice req re. incident with parking attendant.
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Originally Posted by Londons Code of Practice
A PCN must be served by fixing it to the vehicle or handing it to the driver (“the person appearing to be in charge of the vehicle”) at the time and location of the observed contravention (s.66 RTA 1991). Except as noted below, a PCN cannot be served by post, even if the driver drives the vehicle away while the PCN is being produced. The exceptions to this are either if the attendant is prevented from serving the PCN in the normal way by violence or threats of violence (s.5 London Local Authorities Act 2000) or if the enforcement is taking place following observation by CCTV (see below). In cases where a PA is prevented from serving a PCN on street so it has to be served by post following violence or threats of violence, the attendant should make full notes of the incident in the pocket book, including any discussions or conversations, and the nature of the intimidation.
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Its fingers crossed time really. Thanks for the positive & helpful replies.
She was on her own and has no witnesses to her side of the story and although I am connected to mine it will carry some weight.
It is a funny one that Iam aware of the law regarding the issuing of a ticket and this seemed to get her back up. Most people would have stopped and argued about the ticket and by doing this she would have issued correctly and they wouldn't have had a leg to stand on. (as it turned it she only had one to stand on )
I find it quite incredible that even when I said "tickts not valid as it has not been issued correctly as I am about to drive off" that she went to such lengths that she has incurred personal injury. I will be throwing the book at the company and also involving the local council who they would on behalf of.
I should add that *normally* when tickets are issued they print them off and put into a waterproof bag that then sticks on the windscreen which has payment instructions on etc. She didn't have time to put into one of these bags and tried to tuck the printed off pcn under the windscreen. Just shows how desperate she was to issue the ticket!
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She was on her own and has no witnesses to her side of the story and although I am connected to mine it will carry some weight.
It is a funny one that Iam aware of the law regarding the issuing of a ticket and this seemed to get her back up. Most people would have stopped and argued about the ticket and by doing this she would have issued correctly and they wouldn't have had a leg to stand on. (as it turned it she only had one to stand on )
I find it quite incredible that even when I said "tickts not valid as it has not been issued correctly as I am about to drive off" that she went to such lengths that she has incurred personal injury. I will be throwing the book at the company and also involving the local council who they would on behalf of.
I should add that *normally* when tickets are issued they print them off and put into a waterproof bag that then sticks on the windscreen which has payment instructions on etc. She didn't have time to put into one of these bags and tried to tuck the printed off pcn under the windscreen. Just shows how desperate she was to issue the ticket!
chop
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Its fingers crossed time really. Thanks for the positive & helpful replies.
She was on her own and has no witnesses to her side of the story and although I am connected to mine it will carry some weight.
It is a funny one that Iam aware of the law regarding the issuing of a ticket and this seemed to get her back up. Most people would have stopped and argued about the ticket and by doing this she would have issued correctly and they wouldn't have had a leg to stand on. (as it turned it she only had one to stand on )
I find it quite incredible that even when I said "tickts not valid as it has not been issued correctly as I am about to drive off" that she went to such lengths that she has incurred personal injury. I will be throwing the book at the company and also involving the local council who they would on behalf of.
I should add that *normally* when tickets are issued they print them off and put into a waterproof bag that then sticks on the windscreen which has payment instructions on etc. She didn't have time to put into one of these bags and tried to tuck the printed off pcn under the windscreen. Just shows how desperate she was to issue the ticket!
chop
She was on her own and has no witnesses to her side of the story and although I am connected to mine it will carry some weight.
It is a funny one that Iam aware of the law regarding the issuing of a ticket and this seemed to get her back up. Most people would have stopped and argued about the ticket and by doing this she would have issued correctly and they wouldn't have had a leg to stand on. (as it turned it she only had one to stand on )
I find it quite incredible that even when I said "tickts not valid as it has not been issued correctly as I am about to drive off" that she went to such lengths that she has incurred personal injury. I will be throwing the book at the company and also involving the local council who they would on behalf of.
I should add that *normally* when tickets are issued they print them off and put into a waterproof bag that then sticks on the windscreen which has payment instructions on etc. She didn't have time to put into one of these bags and tried to tuck the printed off pcn under the windscreen. Just shows how desperate she was to issue the ticket!
chop
well done you though for flawing her serious "dogsbody" attitude.
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You have more chance to appeal a ticket that is issued in this manner, as the officer will not have been able to record your tax details. We all know registration plates are easily cloned, so without tax details it can be easier for you to prove it was not your car.
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Tried to post this earlier, but the ol N95 is a bit flakey on long posts
Sorry to be the harbinger of doom chop, but..
The law was changed on 01/03.
tickets no longer have to be placed on vehicle to be deemed served. They can be issued and sent by post ( nice eh)
However the supposed upshot is that the criteria for issuing them is to be more stringent, to reduce the chance of successful appeal (they don't like motorists do they)
Also you can expect a "no win, no fee" type claim against you for the life changing, catastrophic assault you inflicted on the TW
get a good solicitor and prepare for a long fight
Mart
Sorry to be the harbinger of doom chop, but..
The law was changed on 01/03.
tickets no longer have to be placed on vehicle to be deemed served. They can be issued and sent by post ( nice eh)
However the supposed upshot is that the criteria for issuing them is to be more stringent, to reduce the chance of successful appeal (they don't like motorists do they)
Also you can expect a "no win, no fee" type claim against you for the life changing, catastrophic assault you inflicted on the TW
get a good solicitor and prepare for a long fight
Mart
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Tried to post this earlier, but the ol N95 is a bit flakey on long posts
Sorry to be the harbinger of doom chop, but..
The law was changed on 01/03.
tickets no longer have to be placed on vehicle to be deemed served. They can be issued and sent by post ( nice eh)
However the supposed upshot is that the criteria for issuing them is to be more stringent, to reduce the chance of successful appeal (they don't like motorists do they)
Also you can expect a "no win, no fee" type claim against you for the life changing, catastrophic assault you inflicted on the TW
get a good solicitor and prepare for a long fight
Mart
Sorry to be the harbinger of doom chop, but..
The law was changed on 01/03.
tickets no longer have to be placed on vehicle to be deemed served. They can be issued and sent by post ( nice eh)
However the supposed upshot is that the criteria for issuing them is to be more stringent, to reduce the chance of successful appeal (they don't like motorists do they)
Also you can expect a "no win, no fee" type claim against you for the life changing, catastrophic assault you inflicted on the TW
get a good solicitor and prepare for a long fight
Mart
even so im sure her risk assessment doesn't involve jumping in front of moving vehicles .mention not working to risk assessment and hse to her boss i can see no action being taken
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This will not stop a no-win no-fee lawyer. In the event of the vast majority of claims such as this it is far more cost effective for the insurance company to settle out of court rather than argue the toss and incur large amounts of legal fees.
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involve the hse and start talking prohibition notices (no wardens on the street till improvement in training ) this will also cost the council .
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Chopper you should serve one of these on her car
Look here : joke parking tickets for instant revenge on badly parked cars
Look here : joke parking tickets for instant revenge on badly parked cars
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Chopper you should serve one of these on her car
Look here : joke parking tickets for instant revenge on badly parked cars
Look here : joke parking tickets for instant revenge on badly parked cars
I go to great lengths to park my brand new, shiny, un-dented car as far away from anyone else in the car park yet someone in an old sh1tter has always parked right next to it when I get back
I'd happily pay a premium fee to park in a 'I like my car just the way it is so keep your doors/trolleys/handbags to yourself please' space
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It baffles belief that any human being with an ounce of self respect would even consider, just a for a second, any possible way of trying to get off with it... Pitiful
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Tried to post this earlier, but the ol N95 is a bit flakey on long posts
Sorry to be the harbinger of doom chop, but..
The law was changed on 01/03.
tickets no longer have to be placed on vehicle to be deemed served. They can be issued and sent by post ( nice eh)
However the supposed upshot is that the criteria for issuing them is to be more stringent, to reduce the chance of successful appeal (they don't like motorists do they)
Also you can expect a "no win, no fee" type claim against you for the life changing, catastrophic assault you inflicted on the TW
get a good solicitor and prepare for a long fight
Mart
Sorry to be the harbinger of doom chop, but..
The law was changed on 01/03.
tickets no longer have to be placed on vehicle to be deemed served. They can be issued and sent by post ( nice eh)
However the supposed upshot is that the criteria for issuing them is to be more stringent, to reduce the chance of successful appeal (they don't like motorists do they)
Also you can expect a "no win, no fee" type claim against you for the life changing, catastrophic assault you inflicted on the TW
get a good solicitor and prepare for a long fight
Mart
High court judgements set case law
Andy
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Thanks for your comment
chop
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Tried to post this earlier, but the ol N95 is a bit flakey on long posts
Sorry to be the harbinger of doom chop, but..
The law was changed on 01/03.
tickets no longer have to be placed on vehicle to be deemed served. They can be issued and sent by post ( nice eh)
However the supposed upshot is that the criteria for issuing them is to be more stringent, to reduce the chance of successful appeal (they don't like motorists do they)
Also you can expect a "no win, no fee" type claim against you for the life changing, catastrophic assault you inflicted on the TW
get a good solicitor and prepare for a long fight
Mart
Sorry to be the harbinger of doom chop, but..
The law was changed on 01/03.
tickets no longer have to be placed on vehicle to be deemed served. They can be issued and sent by post ( nice eh)
However the supposed upshot is that the criteria for issuing them is to be more stringent, to reduce the chance of successful appeal (they don't like motorists do they)
Also you can expect a "no win, no fee" type claim against you for the life changing, catastrophic assault you inflicted on the TW
get a good solicitor and prepare for a long fight
Mart
chop
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Do you know what exactly happened to her foot? Having your foot driven over by a car sounds dramatic, but..
I had my foot driven over good and proper by the front wheel of a Chevy V8 pick-up truck and it did not even hurt at all. No pain, no damage, nothing. Someone stomping on your foot would hurt but that didn't.
Maybe I was just lucky?
I had my foot driven over good and proper by the front wheel of a Chevy V8 pick-up truck and it did not even hurt at all. No pain, no damage, nothing. Someone stomping on your foot would hurt but that didn't.
Maybe I was just lucky?
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My attitude generally in life has made me a lot of money. I dont waste money and if I dont have to pay something then I wont. This includes parking tickets even though the majority would stand there when they dont have to and recieve the ticket. If my car had a ticket on and issued correctly I would have paid the £30 fine and accepted it. In my situation the warden had not issued the ticket so I had no need to stay and recieve it, if she jumps in front of my car to issue then that is her fault.
Thanks for your comment
chop
Thanks for your comment
chop
I am genuinely suprised that your attitude in life has "made you a lot of money".
Based on the OP, the first trait you demonstrated was laziness - not commonly attributed to success. Able bodied people parking on double yellows is a sure sign of a sloth of the increasingly common Selfish breed.
You have also demonstrated an inability to live up to your responsibilities by trying to avoid the perfectly legitmate fine that was coming your way for parking on double yellow lines.
The lesson to be learnt from this thread isn't one of whether trying to run over a traffic warden is a good enough thread to get you oodles of SN brownie points from your motoring inept acolytes. Nor is it to see whether you have any legal recourse from your ticket. The lesson is NOT to park like a gland next time...
If you have made so much money and are such a marvellous financial success you should be able to afford a pay and display ticket and who knows, maybe even some roller boots to help you get to your desintation on foot and on time without burning too many of your prescious calories.
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I am genuinely suprised that your attitude in life has "made you a lot of money".
Based on the OP, the first trait you demonstrated was laziness - not commonly attributed to success. Able bodied people parking on double yellows is a sure sign of a sloth of the increasingly common Selfish breed.
You have also demonstrated an inability to live up to your responsibilities by trying to avoid the perfectly legitmate fine that was coming your way for parking on double yellow lines.
The lesson to be learnt from this thread isn't one of whether trying to run over a traffic warden is a good enough thread to get you oodles of SN brownie points from your motoring inept acolytes. Nor is it to see whether you have any legal recourse from your ticket. The lesson is NOT to park like a gland next time...
If you have made so much money and are such a marvellous financial success you should be able to afford a pay and display ticket and who knows, maybe even some roller boots to help you get to your desintation on foot and on time without burning too many of your prescious calories.
Based on the OP, the first trait you demonstrated was laziness - not commonly attributed to success. Able bodied people parking on double yellows is a sure sign of a sloth of the increasingly common Selfish breed.
You have also demonstrated an inability to live up to your responsibilities by trying to avoid the perfectly legitmate fine that was coming your way for parking on double yellow lines.
The lesson to be learnt from this thread isn't one of whether trying to run over a traffic warden is a good enough thread to get you oodles of SN brownie points from your motoring inept acolytes. Nor is it to see whether you have any legal recourse from your ticket. The lesson is NOT to park like a gland next time...
If you have made so much money and are such a marvellous financial success you should be able to afford a pay and display ticket and who knows, maybe even some roller boots to help you get to your desintation on foot and on time without burning too many of your prescious calories.
End of.
chop
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Like I said before this won't stop private legal action. The insurance company will not want to appoint a lawyer to go through all the ins and outs of health and safety legislation, and will just pay an out of court settlement. That's how the no-win no-fee system normally works : it relies on the fear of legal costs.
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Mates a tw in Brighton for his sins and he would rather do any thing else ,the kind of **** he has to put up with is unreal and not just fro joe public but is employer ncp .
In the time hes been there tho hes managed to get them to have to accept unions (being the 1st shop steward ) - they really love him i can tell you
- i suspect its sport for him in an otherwise mind numbling dull routine
Hes also been to court at least once to testify re peeps running him over in the course of his work ...
Favourite targets are cafe owners and estate agents and of course bus-stop devotees but no theres no more pay for more tickets produced but hes 'expected' to ticket 10 a day
your not an estate agent are you Paul , Chop ?
In the time hes been there tho hes managed to get them to have to accept unions (being the 1st shop steward ) - they really love him i can tell you
- i suspect its sport for him in an otherwise mind numbling dull routine
Hes also been to court at least once to testify re peeps running him over in the course of his work ...
Favourite targets are cafe owners and estate agents and of course bus-stop devotees but no theres no more pay for more tickets produced but hes 'expected' to ticket 10 a day
your not an estate agent are you Paul , Chop ?
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that said, would be looking for a parking bay or something before sticking it on a yellow line, that is last resort.
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