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11 March 2008, 02:03 PM
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Indeed, but not all are claiming benefit, and certainly not claiming on the dole.
I mean surely you are only worried about thise that are costing you money arent you? And given that immigration makes the country £6billion I dont see what you are complaining about.
11 March 2008, 02:08 PM
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Do you advocate mass immigration on the levels we have seen encouraged by the clowns in charge? Do you think it is right that all the taxes paid in by those who have had full working lives should be given away preferentially to illegal immigrants? Do you think it is right that our education and health services are being overwhelmed for these reasons?
Why do you think that all the illegal immigrants want to come to this country?
Is it right that so many people are better off living on benefits than taking the jobs that are being done by immigrants?
Do you think that the right things are being done to alleviate the situation?
How very "NL" you appear to be with your sidestepping of the question and your homilies on how we must all work at this situation but at the same time being unable to tell us how we should achieve it!
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Why do you think that all the illegal immigrants want to come to this country?
Is it right that so many people are better off living on benefits than taking the jobs that are being done by immigrants?
Do you think that the right things are being done to alleviate the situation?
How very "NL" you appear to be with your sidestepping of the question and your homilies on how we must all work at this situation but at the same time being unable to tell us how we should achieve it!
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I'm very slightly baffled by some of your comments.
I don't agree with unchecked immigration anymore than you do.
You keep wanting mix up illegal with legal immigration, if it's illegal then it's illegal and therefore shouldn't happen
Please stop blaming immigrants/immigration for stopping people here from working and taking benefits, people who don't want to work and get benefits should be clamped down on, this has NOTHING AT ALL to do with immigration.
Your final point about me having no answers; well it's a tough one to answer isn't it, short of a touch of ethnic clensing! I feel that all sides of our community need to start being more tollerant of one another. We do have a vicous circle of distrust, isolation and segregation.
11 March 2008, 02:09 PM
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Dave for PM .....
11 March 2008, 02:17 PM
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Dave gets my vote!
My point about unemployment was that the government are lying to you about all sorts of things.
You appear to just quote the figures blindly, without looking into the true picture.
My point about unemployment was that the government are lying to you about all sorts of things.
You appear to just quote the figures blindly, without looking into the true picture.
11 March 2008, 02:22 PM
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Well that all depends on what is defined as unemployed, given your 9M that makes my wife unemployed (even though she stays home and looks after the kids)
So please let us know what the 'true picture' is then.
11 March 2008, 02:27 PM
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There are 36,000,000 between the age of 16 & 64.
28,000,000 or thereabout are in work
How many of the reaiming 8,000,000 are students? How amy are housewives? How many are registered disabled? How many are too ill to work? How many are single mums? How many are full time voluntary workers?
11 March 2008, 02:34 PM
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I have been down this road with Pete before, you may as well give up now as what ever you say there will be something in his box of statistics to prove you wrong.
And dont raise the statistics are massaged by the government point as you will have to go away and prove it.
remember there is a difference between the unemployed and those not working. when reading statistics make sure you know the exact category.
And dont raise the statistics are massaged by the government point as you will have to go away and prove it.
remember there is a difference between the unemployed and those not working. when reading statistics make sure you know the exact category.
11 March 2008, 02:44 PM
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Program tonight about the Poles.
Qute from the paper " 'They're never late and always enthusastic' one boss says. 'Asked to do the same work in the fields for£7 an hour a gaggle of surley youths swig on their tins of lager and snort with incredulity "I'd prefer to sign on than do that"
What in the hell happened to our thick home grown kids? Seems that Poland has a proper work ethic instilled into their kids at some point.
certainly not our grotty youths.For that the government can blame benefits.No wonder we have to ship people in
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Qute from the paper " 'They're never late and always enthusastic' one boss says. 'Asked to do the same work in the fields for£7 an hour a gaggle of surley youths swig on their tins of lager and snort with incredulity "I'd prefer to sign on than do that"
What in the hell happened to our thick home grown kids? Seems that Poland has a proper work ethic instilled into their kids at some point.
certainly not our grotty youths.For that the government can blame benefits.No wonder we have to ship people in
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11 March 2008, 02:44 PM
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I'll put my flame suit on, but may I just ask that while we all seem to have such a massive issue with immigrants, apparently now legal or illegal, what should we do about all the Brits who have moved to pastures new?
If the consensus seems to be we should 'kick all the immigrants out', should we then have to take back all those who have left Britain? After all that would only seem fair, if they are living and working abroad, then by the arguements presented here, they are taking a natives job and therefore should have to return 'home'.
Just a different take on the issue.
If the consensus seems to be we should 'kick all the immigrants out', should we then have to take back all those who have left Britain? After all that would only seem fair, if they are living and working abroad, then by the arguements presented here, they are taking a natives job and therefore should have to return 'home'.
Just a different take on the issue.
11 March 2008, 02:50 PM
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I'll put my flame suit on, but may I just ask that while we all seem to have such a massive issue with immigrants, apparently now legal or illegal, what should we do about all the Brits who have moved to pastures new?
If the consensus seems to be we should 'kick all the immigrants out', should we then have to take back all those who have left Britain? After all that would only seem fair, if they are living and working abroad, then by the arguements presented here, they are taking a natives job and therefore should have to return 'home'.
Just a different take on the issue.
If the consensus seems to be we should 'kick all the immigrants out', should we then have to take back all those who have left Britain? After all that would only seem fair, if they are living and working abroad, then by the arguements presented here, they are taking a natives job and therefore should have to return 'home'.
Just a different take on the issue.
11 March 2008, 03:08 PM
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Lisa,
most that have moved on elsewhere were only able to do so if they proved they were going to bring a skill with them and financial benefit to the country they moved to.
So in answer to your point you raise. I am quite happy to take back people who have moved out to canada, australia etc. they generally want to work and have proved they can stand on their own two feet.
most that have moved on elsewhere were only able to do so if they proved they were going to bring a skill with them and financial benefit to the country they moved to.
So in answer to your point you raise. I am quite happy to take back people who have moved out to canada, australia etc. they generally want to work and have proved they can stand on their own two feet.
11 March 2008, 03:17 PM
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most that have moved on elsewhere were only able to do so if they proved they were going to bring a skill with them and financial benefit to the country they moved to.
So in answer to your point you raise. I am quite happy to take back people who have moved out to canada, australia etc. they generally want to work and have proved they can stand on their own two feet.
most that have moved on elsewhere were only able to do so if they proved they were going to bring a skill with them and financial benefit to the country they moved to.
So in answer to your point you raise. I am quite happy to take back people who have moved out to canada, australia etc. they generally want to work and have proved they can stand on their own two feet.
The arguement about immigration is now turning to people expressing the view that those coming to this country, willing to work hard are not welcome either as they are stealing jobs from our own. Our own that are unwilling to do the jobs. I have no problem myself if people want to move away from Britain for whatever their personal reason, but I have a problem with the fact that while some people feel that is fine, in the same breath they have a problem with people coming into this country wanting to work, and better their own life.
Of course I don't support uncontrolled immigration/illegal, but I can't see how people wanting to come here to work is any different than people from here wanting to move elsewhere to do just that.
Only my opinion.
11 March 2008, 03:32 PM
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To be honest I was just using the language that had been used in previous posts - and it was a little 'tongue in cheek' if you couldn't spot that. Yes, I know the problem isn't so black and white as I've made out (oops - bet that's racist .... ) BUT how about we kick out the illegals/asylam scammers (didn't 'official' estimates put their number at about a million?) and tighten up the rules for letting in immigrants in the first place. Plus tighten up benefits so it is no longer better to be on the dole (yes, it IS possible to do this - we just ignore the bl33ding heart leftie liberals!). You then have a system where there are a lot less jobs to go around as they are taken by Brits - so less reason to come here for a job. Just visit on holiday and leave all your spending money in the UK .....
Yes, very simplistic BUT it sums up what needs to be done.
Dave - any more votes out there???
) BUT how about we kick out the illegals/asylam scammers (didn't 'official' estimates put their number at about a million?) and tighten up the rules for letting in immigrants in the first place. Plus tighten up benefits so it is no longer better to be on the dole (yes, it IS possible to do this - we just ignore the bl33ding heart leftie liberals!). You then have a system where there are a lot less jobs to go around as they are taken by Brits - so less reason to come here for a job. Just visit on holiday and leave all your spending money in the UK .....Yes, very simplistic BUT it sums up what needs to be done.
Dave - any more votes out there???
11 March 2008, 03:42 PM
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To be honest I was just using the language that had been used in previous posts - and it was a little 'tongue in cheek' if you couldn't spot that. Yes, I know the problem isn't so black and white as I've made out (oops - bet that's racist .... ) BUT how about we kick out the illegals/asylam scammers (didn't 'official' estimates put their number at about a million?) and tighten up the rules for letting in immigrants in the first place. Plus tighten up benefits so it is no longer better to be on the dole (yes, it IS possible to do this - we just ignore the bl33ding heart leftie liberals!). You then have a system where there are a lot less jobs to go around as they are taken by Brits - so less reason to come here for a job. Just visit on holiday and leave all your spending money in the UK .....
Yes, very simplistic BUT it sums up what needs to be done.
Dave - any more votes out there???
) BUT how about we kick out the illegals/asylam scammers (didn't 'official' estimates put their number at about a million?) and tighten up the rules for letting in immigrants in the first place. Plus tighten up benefits so it is no longer better to be on the dole (yes, it IS possible to do this - we just ignore the bl33ding heart leftie liberals!). You then have a system where there are a lot less jobs to go around as they are taken by Brits - so less reason to come here for a job. Just visit on holiday and leave all your spending money in the UK .....Yes, very simplistic BUT it sums up what needs to be done.
Dave - any more votes out there???
11 March 2008, 03:50 PM
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The stats are:
Official government unemployed about 1 million.
Number of people either claiming benefits or un willing to work bewteen 4-5 million.
Number of people not working for any reason 8-9 million.
I can't be *rsed to go and find the links, they're out there if you want to find them.
Official government unemployed about 1 million.
Number of people either claiming benefits or un willing to work bewteen 4-5 million.
Number of people not working for any reason 8-9 million.
I can't be *rsed to go and find the links, they're out there if you want to find them.
11 March 2008, 03:52 PM
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Quote:
"I'll put my flame suit on, but may I just ask that while we all seem to have such a massive issue with immigrants, apparently now legal or illegal, what should we do about all the Brits who have moved to pastures new?
If the consensus seems to be we should 'kick all the immigrants out', should we then have to take back all those who have left Britain? After all that would only seem fair, if they are living and working abroad, then by the arguements presented here, they are taking a natives job and therefore should have to return 'home'.
Just a different take on the issue. "
Surely that depends on whether the countries they have gone to are creaking under the strain of them being there, if they are, then yes, they should send them home.
"I'll put my flame suit on, but may I just ask that while we all seem to have such a massive issue with immigrants, apparently now legal or illegal, what should we do about all the Brits who have moved to pastures new?
If the consensus seems to be we should 'kick all the immigrants out', should we then have to take back all those who have left Britain? After all that would only seem fair, if they are living and working abroad, then by the arguements presented here, they are taking a natives job and therefore should have to return 'home'.
Just a different take on the issue. "
Surely that depends on whether the countries they have gone to are creaking under the strain of them being there, if they are, then yes, they should send them home.
11 March 2008, 03:59 PM
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I'm not mentioning anything to do with immigrants here illegally or those who have got into our benefit system. If you just take those here legally, going into work, then in no way are they putting any strain on this country, they are contributing to it. They are paying into the pot just like me and probably most of the people commenting on this thread, contributing more than the many unemployed you yourself have said we have here.
11 March 2008, 04:00 PM
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1.61 million. - 794,000 of which are climing on the dole.
Great, so how do you seperate the genuine cases from the not so genuine?
And it is quite difficult these days to actully be on ebenfits without some plan to get you working if you are simply out of work because you feel like it, I,e the majority of people not working are not scrounging layabouts.
No one is disputing this, but "Not working for any reason" covers an awful lot of genuine reasons.
And it is quite difficult these days to actully be on ebenfits without some plan to get you working if you are simply out of work because you feel like it, I,e the majority of people not working are not scrounging layabouts.
No one is disputing this, but "Not working for any reason" covers an awful lot of genuine reasons.
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11 March 2008, 04:02 PM
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So by that definition, Immigration in Britian works and Powell was wrong - £6billion profit doesnt sound like creaking under strain to me.
11 March 2008, 04:17 PM
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"So by that definition, Immigration in Britian works and Powell was wrong - £6billion profit doesnt sound like creaking under strain to me."
So our roads aren't busy then?
The NHS is looking in good shape?
The 50% of people that can't get their kids into the school they want, are just being fussy?
We're not short of affordable housing?
This list is so long I can't be bothered to go on, honestly Pete, you are either trolling or you are stupid, I'm not sure which it is?
"So by that definition, Immigration in Britian works and Powell was wrong - £6billion profit doesnt sound like creaking under strain to me."
So our roads aren't busy then?The NHS is looking in good shape?
The 50% of people that can't get their kids into the school they want, are just being fussy?
We're not short of affordable housing?
This list is so long I can't be bothered to go on, honestly Pete, you are either trolling or you are stupid, I'm not sure which it is?
11 March 2008, 04:20 PM
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I did warn you about playing the stats game with pete
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11 March 2008, 04:22 PM
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I know, but I just can't believe that people blindly believe the govt figures that they are told, right, I'm saying no more.
He's either stupid or trolling, and as you say, either way I'm not going to change his mind.
He's either stupid or trolling, and as you say, either way I'm not going to change his mind.
11 March 2008, 04:25 PM
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"So by that definition, Immigration in Britian works and Powell was wrong - £6billion profit doesnt sound like creaking under strain to me."
So our roads aren't busy then?
The NHS is looking in good shape?
The 50% of people that can't get their kids into the school they want, are just being fussy?
We're not short of affordable housing?
This list is so long I can't be bothered to go on, honestly Pete, you are either trolling or you are stupid, I'm not sure which it is?
"So by that definition, Immigration in Britian works and Powell was wrong - £6billion profit doesnt sound like creaking under strain to me."
So our roads aren't busy then?The NHS is looking in good shape?
The 50% of people that can't get their kids into the school they want, are just being fussy?
We're not short of affordable housing?
This list is so long I can't be bothered to go on, honestly Pete, you are either trolling or you are stupid, I'm not sure which it is?
As for the issue of affordable housing, a problem effecting me personally. Ask yourself this, in the current climate of housing being so expensive, why aren't the government doing something to address it? And why have councils stopped building council houses to rent? Space is not an issue as more and more private developments are popping up, in my local area alone.
11 March 2008, 04:25 PM
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Due to immigration? You do realise that 94% of the population is British - I mean are you saying that the million or so immigrants (and how many of those go to hospital has pushed the NHS over the edge?
See above.
You are blaming all these things on a million or so immigrants, and you haven't even factored in the fact that the Birth rate is lower than the death rate.
Neither, bascially, once again, you are making statements without being able to back it up, and when I call your bluff, you again come out the with "trolling" claim.
11 March 2008, 04:27 PM
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Affordable housing comes down to 2 things:
1. Demand outstripping supply (which in part is down to the population total)
2. Stopping the limit on the amount of mortgage you can get, this used to be around 3 times salary, if this was still the case house prices would never have got out of control.
1. Demand outstripping supply (which in part is down to the population total)
2. Stopping the limit on the amount of mortgage you can get, this used to be around 3 times salary, if this was still the case house prices would never have got out of control.
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Is everyone that disgarees with you "trolling" or "Stupid"? Or just me? If it's just me, then it's you that's trolling (again) and it's if not, then that say's everything.