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And that is why i love you dearly
Slightly off topic so ingulge me
Pete, out of interest.
On the news yesterday and today there was a piece on a immigrant/migrant camp on the outskirts of Peterborough. Easter Europeans living in tents and shelters constructed out of stuff they found.
It does not sound ideal to me.
Surely we should only allow migrants into the country to existing jobs provided by licenced legitimate agenices from the country of the person(s) origin and the UK. Along with this accommodation to be sorted and/or provided.
TBH
I would be most unhappy as a uk resident having this encampment near me, sanitation, noise, worries over saftey (unfounded or not), etc.
Again, it is creating fear and rresentment, another badly handled situation.
From a migrant POV it ios not a very good deal. However, they are staying so things must be better or the rewards there to make it worhtwhile.
Slightly off topic so ingulge me
Pete, out of interest.
On the news yesterday and today there was a piece on a immigrant/migrant camp on the outskirts of Peterborough. Easter Europeans living in tents and shelters constructed out of stuff they found.
It does not sound ideal to me.
Surely we should only allow migrants into the country to existing jobs provided by licenced legitimate agenices from the country of the person(s) origin and the UK. Along with this accommodation to be sorted and/or provided.
TBH
I would be most unhappy as a uk resident having this encampment near me, sanitation, noise, worries over saftey (unfounded or not), etc.
Again, it is creating fear and rresentment, another badly handled situation.
From a migrant POV it ios not a very good deal. However, they are staying so things must be better or the rewards there to make it worhtwhile.
But, I dont subscribe to the view that there is a massive drain on resources and services, on the country as a whole (individual councils may be different) because I don't beleive the population as a whole is growing substantially.
The UK is an aging population, we need lots of people between the age of 16-64 working to pay for all our services and pay into our private pensions. We need immigration to be able to do this - It's no good saying "well the UK people can do it" because we don't have the numbers.
Immigration is absolutely vital to the economy of the country - But, of course you are right that uncontrolled immgration in the situation you describe needs to be looked at.
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The UK is an aging population, we need lots of people between the age of 16-64 working to pay for all our services and pay into our private pensions. We need immigration to be able to do this - It's no good saying "well the UK people can do it" because we don't have the numbers.
1. more immigration (ultimately perpetuating the problem as they end up retiring and have to be paid for thus needing even more immigration to pay for it etc. i.e. vicious cycle)
2. Raise taxation/NI to pay pensions
3. Raise retirement age.
Ultimately it needs to be a balance, e.g. some immigration, some more taxation and raising retirement age a bit.
Personally I think the 1st step is to put retirement age up to 70 pronto!
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I think that pretty much what is happening. Obviously the retirement age has gone up to 68 for people under a certain age, and no doubt in the next 10 years or so that will go up again.
Of course that's only one part of it, the tax revenue has to be maintained (but when we all are earning our big fat pensions, we of course will pay tax on them )
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Anyone see "The Poles are coming" on BBC2 last night?
There was a primary school with 100 children, only one child spoke English as a first language, many didn't speak English at all.
The GP surgery couldn't cope, as few of the patients spoke English, so they had to call translation phone lines to understand them.
Strangely, no-one working in the school or doctors were saying how great mass immigration was for our society!
There was a primary school with 100 children, only one child spoke English as a first language, many didn't speak English at all.
The GP surgery couldn't cope, as few of the patients spoke English, so they had to call translation phone lines to understand them.
Strangely, no-one working in the school or doctors were saying how great mass immigration was for our society!
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On the news yesterday and today there was a piece on a immigrant/migrant camp on the outskirts of Peterborough. 20-30 Eastern Europeans living in tents and shelters constructed out of stuff they found.
TBH
I would be most unhappy as a uk resident having this encampment near me, sanitation, noise, worries over saftey (unfounded or not), etc.
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TBH
I would be most unhappy as a uk resident having this encampment near me, sanitation, noise, worries over saftey (unfounded or not), etc.
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Anyone see "The Poles are coming" on BBC2 last night?
There was a primary school with 100 children, only one child spoke English as a first language, many didn't speak English at all.
The GP surgery couldn't cope, as few of the patients spoke English, so they had to call translation phone lines to understand them.
Strangely, no-one working in the school or doctors were saying how great mass immigration was for our society!
There was a primary school with 100 children, only one child spoke English as a first language, many didn't speak English at all.
The GP surgery couldn't cope, as few of the patients spoke English, so they had to call translation phone lines to understand them.
Strangely, no-one working in the school or doctors were saying how great mass immigration was for our society!
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I'm very slightly baffled by some of your comments.
I don't agree with unchecked immigration anymore than you do.
You keep wanting mix up illegal with legal immigration, if it's illegal then it's illegal and therefore shouldn't happen
Please stop blaming immigrants/immigration for stopping people here from working and taking benefits, people who don't want to work and get benefits should be clamped down on, this has NOTHING AT ALL to do with immigration.
Your final point about me having no answers; well it's a tough one to answer isn't it, short of a touch of ethnic clensing! I feel that all sides of our community need to start being more tollerant of one another. We do have a vicous circle of distrust, isolation and segregation.
I'm very slightly baffled by some of your comments.
I don't agree with unchecked immigration anymore than you do.
You keep wanting mix up illegal with legal immigration, if it's illegal then it's illegal and therefore shouldn't happen
Please stop blaming immigrants/immigration for stopping people here from working and taking benefits, people who don't want to work and get benefits should be clamped down on, this has NOTHING AT ALL to do with immigration.
Your final point about me having no answers; well it's a tough one to answer isn't it, short of a touch of ethnic clensing! I feel that all sides of our community need to start being more tollerant of one another. We do have a vicous circle of distrust, isolation and segregation.
You did not mention illegal immigration which gave the impreesion that you had nothing against any kind of immigration.
The deleterious effects on education and health services as well as housing and traffic congestion etc. due to unfettered immigration cannot be denied of course.
This has always been a tolerant country although of course there are always those who have a racist streak in them. You can't however blame those who object violently against the opportunity for those who would destroy our society in order to substitute their own upon us in any way possible. It is not racist to attempt to prevent that!
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Until we have 100% employment then the dole scrounging ******* must be put to work. if we still have capacity then we fill the spaces with suitablty qualified immigrant/migrant workers. Security checked and vetted prior to arrival.
Easy enough, remove their benefits, remove their housing in extreeme cases.
We have the ******* is down to a multitude of reasons already discussed a million times.
for those claiming dissability - stringent checks and then graded for levels of work that they can do and in extreeme cases the stay on disability benefit. I am not saying all people claiming disability benefit are cheats but some are and they need to be stopped.
For far too long it has been easy to live off of the state and about time something was done about it., not just a few soundbites but tough solutions.
2nd or 3rd generation dole scroungers out there, never worked, no discipline, too much time on their hands.
Change this and i wonder how much of a knock-on effect it would have on crime, antoisocial behaviour and freeing up police and courts
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"Did you also see the bit about the indigenous population not doing the jobs so they HAVE to bring in immigrants. Get rid of those young ******* (keep the immigrants) and problem solved. "
I did indeed see that, I have no more time for those lazy t*ssers than you do.
Unfortunately, they are the young people we are now stuck with, as a result of disastrous social policies, and "getting rid of them" isn't an option. What is an option is removing all their benefits until they have to work.
Another sad result of New Labour's social disaster I'm afraid.
Can you imagine youths like that under Thatcher's government?
"Did you also see the bit about the indigenous population not doing the jobs so they HAVE to bring in immigrants. Get rid of those young ******* (keep the immigrants) and problem solved. "
I did indeed see that, I have no more time for those lazy t*ssers than you do.
Unfortunately, they are the young people we are now stuck with, as a result of disastrous social policies, and "getting rid of them" isn't an option. What is an option is removing all their benefits until they have to work.
Another sad result of New Labour's social disaster I'm afraid.
Can you imagine youths like that under Thatcher's government?
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I did indeed see that, I have no more time for those lazy t*ssers than you do.
Unfortunately, they are the young people we are now stuck with, as a result of disastrous social policies, and "getting rid of them" isn't an option. What is an option is removing all their benefits until they have to work.
Another sad result of New Labour's social disaster I'm afraid.
Can you imagine youths like that under Thatcher's government?
What, when we had 3.5million people on the dole as opposed to the 794,000 we have now you mean?
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the way these are counted/calculated has changed, for example the 100,000's of people on dissability are not in the figures now, various ways NL have found to hide the true numbers matey and you well know it!
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794,000 ah yes those gov't massaged figures that we can all rely on
the way these are counted/calculated has changed, for example the 100,000's of people on dissability are not in the figures now, various ways NL have found to hide the true numbers matey and you well know it!
the way these are counted/calculated has changed, for example the 100,000's of people on dissability are not in the figures now, various ways NL have found to hide the true numbers matey and you well know it!
As for who changed the way it was counted, look no further than the Tories
Unemployment and Voter Turnout Rates [Timeweb]
The CC was believed to be understating unemployment. Much of the blame for this was placed at the door of the then Conservative government who had changed the measurement method consistently over the recent years.
But changes in entitlement to unemployment benefit are only part of the story. It is now clear that throughout the 1980s and 1990s, unemployment benefit claimants were being transferred from the CC to sickness benefits.
But changes in entitlement to unemployment benefit are only part of the story. It is now clear that throughout the 1980s and 1990s, unemployment benefit claimants were being transferred from the CC to sickness benefits.
Fact remains that unemployment under Thatchers government was the worse in British history, a rate of 9% - So to say we didn't have a benefit issue under her is a bit silly.
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1.61M out of work - 794,000 claiming on the dole - Of course there will be other claimants.
As for who changed the way it was counted, look no further than the Tories
Unemployment and Voter Turnout Rates [Timeweb]
But hey, Labour are no more innocent of presenting figures in the bes tlight for themselves - But don't be holding up the Tories as some paragon of Truth, because they most certainly are not.
Fact remains that unemployment under Thatchers government was the worse in British history, a rate of 9% - So to say we didn't have a benefit issue under her is a bit silly.
As for who changed the way it was counted, look no further than the Tories
Unemployment and Voter Turnout Rates [Timeweb]
But hey, Labour are no more innocent of presenting figures in the bes tlight for themselves - But don't be holding up the Tories as some paragon of Truth, because they most certainly are not.
Fact remains that unemployment under Thatchers government was the worse in British history, a rate of 9% - So to say we didn't have a benefit issue under her is a bit silly.
OK, so a pedigree/history is very important agreed.
What is more important is what they plan to do now and in the future and whether you belive they will/can do what they say they will.
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Precisely, it's pretty irrelevant as to what Thatchers government did - but then I didn't bring it up
Camerons Conservative party is about as far removed from Thatcherism as Browns Labour party is.
My dream ticket? Get Cameron out , bring Portillo in - Then I would vote tory.
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Precisely, it's pretty irrelevant as to what Thatchers government did - but then I didn't bring it up
Camerons Conservative party is about as far removed from Thatcherism as Browns Labour party is.
My dream ticket? Get Cameron out , bring Portillo in - Then I would vote tory.
Camerons Conservative party is about as far removed from Thatcherism as Browns Labour party is.
My dream ticket? Get Cameron out , bring Portillo in - Then I would vote tory.
Yes, and me!
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Who started talking about Thatcher's government massaging unemployment figures?
I said can you imagine youth's like that under a Thatcher government.
Perhaps before you get your soap box out you should actually read someone else's posts. I know for someone with your self importance this is difficult, but it may help you in the future!
I said can you imagine youth's like that under a Thatcher government.
Perhaps before you get your soap box out you should actually read someone else's posts. I know for someone with your self importance this is difficult, but it may help you in the future!
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794,000 ah yes those gov't massaged figures that we can all rely on
the way these are counted/calculated has changed, for example the 100,000's of people on dissability are not in the figures now, various ways NL have found to hide the true numbers matey and you well know it!
the way these are counted/calculated has changed, for example the 100,000's of people on dissability are not in the figures now, various ways NL have found to hide the true numbers matey and you well know it!
1.61M out of work - 794,000 claiming on the dole - Of course there will be other claimants.
As for who changed the way it was counted, look no further than the Tories
Unemployment and Voter Turnout Rates [Timeweb]
As for who changed the way it was counted, look no further than the Tories
Unemployment and Voter Turnout Rates [Timeweb]
Are you now agreeing that national statistics are massaged for the masses?
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"Destroyed my argument"? When did this happen? Certainly not in this thread
I dont agree that the ONS massages numbers, and you have absolutely no proof whatsoever that they do.
How the government presents those figures is a difference matter entirely
The number of people in work versus out of work is defined. The number of people claiming on the dole is defined, The number of people on disability benefit is defined, the number of students is defined, the number of people on long term sick is defined.
They aren't made up, no matter how much you think they are.
Bodge - you are looking for a fight with me at every turn, and I am simply not going to give it to you.
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Yes, because there were lots of them - i lived through it.
Blimey, you almost lasted an hour before you started with the personal abuse this time
Blimey, you almost lasted an hour before you started with the personal abuse this time
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It's an observation based on your behaviour, not personal abuse!
Out of interest would you be happy to send your child to a school where he would be the only child out of 100 who had English as a first language?
Out of interest would you be happy to send your child to a school where he would be the only child out of 100 who had English as a first language?
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But like American/British sending thier kids to swiss finishing schools - Most of the kids there won't have Engligh as thier first language - Or iIndians sending thier kids to England for enducation, mos tof the kids thier wont have Urdu as thier first language.
See, what language you speak as a first language, has no bearing on whether the school is any good.
WHich of the following would you send your child to?
(i)A school where the kids predominantly have Englisdh as a second language but the school is top of the league table
or
(ii)A school where English is the first language but sits in the middle of the league table
To me, and I might just be odd, it is the quality of the education that matters, not what the first language of the students is.
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Peter, usually huge amounts of time, monwey and resourses are then needed to help get these kids who come into a school with little/no english to the same/similar standard as the english (for want of a better description) kids.
This all has to be paid for, resourses found, additional teachers, staff, facilities, etc.
This all has to be paid for, resourses found, additional teachers, staff, facilities, etc.
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I have my opinion you have yours. Statistics say that there are fewer unemployed than there were 10years ago. 10 years ago other categories were included in the figure to give a near truth figure (there probably were some ommissions back then too). Now categories have changed yet comparison is still being made.
Also how did they manage this huge reduction in unemployment.
You are also defending a government that has stood up on the record and admitted they have no idea about the numbers of immigrants, illegal or otherwise. They also may have missed some unemployment figures if they were on a laptop, dvd, pile of paper that mysteriously dissapears or ends up dumped at the side of the road.
Until they manage to control their data correctly they can do no better than take an educated guess.
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The number of unemployed people that can claim unemployment benefit is 1.61 million .
The number of people actually claiming unemployment benefit is 794,000
In the figure of 8 million you have students, housewives/husbands, sick, disabled, self sufficient (dont need to work), single parents not working, thos people working cash in hand.
I have provided documentary evidence to back this up.
You and Bodgit have provided precisely **** all.
It really is quite simple.
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Because the ecomony is much much stronger than it was 15 years ago.
Better economy -more jobs.
I havent defended the government at all I am simply stating reporting numbers
And they might not have - Prove me wrong.
This is the problem with supposition - You can't prove it one way or the other - Just like statements like " oh they are lying about those numbers"..
The vast majority of data is handled correctly - A couple of lost CDs does not equate to a completely unreliable system
Better economy -more jobs.
This is the problem with supposition - You can't prove it one way or the other - Just like statements like " oh they are lying about those numbers"..
The vast majority of data is handled correctly - A couple of lost CDs does not equate to a completely unreliable system