SIGN THIS PETITION NOW GUYS!!!!! unfair VED bands
13 March 2008 | 06:34 PM
#31
The petition is about the fact the he retrospectively changed the rules for cars people have already bought.
Its a dangerous precedent to allow, as this means the rules that apply to your car can also be changed in the future. We are already at £995 forecourt tax, it won't be long before that is changed to an annual tax. Imagine if all of a sudden a massive annual tax is applied to the car you already own.
There are lots of newish scoobs around the £12k mark, not an expensive car. What if next year he decides to charge these an annual £1k/year. Many will not be able to afford it, and they will really seriously struggle to sell their car. In just one speech he may cost them £5k (loss in value of the car and tax while they try and sell it).
Its a dangerous precedent to allow, as this means the rules that apply to your car can also be changed in the future. We are already at £995 forecourt tax, it won't be long before that is changed to an annual tax. Imagine if all of a sudden a massive annual tax is applied to the car you already own.
There are lots of newish scoobs around the £12k mark, not an expensive car. What if next year he decides to charge these an annual £1k/year. Many will not be able to afford it, and they will really seriously struggle to sell their car. In just one speech he may cost them £5k (loss in value of the car and tax while they try and sell it).
13 March 2008 | 06:38 PM
#32
I think this should also be based on manufacture date rather than registration date.As my car was first registered in Japan in 2004 but registered in the uk July 2007 which sucks 
13 March 2008 | 06:42 PM
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The whole thing is a complete crock of sh*t!
The motorist is being clobbered again in the name of saving the environment.
However, I've got a gas guzzling, 22mpg, high polluting, 0-60 in 5.5 seconds super car, and it costs me £185 to tax it.
It's a loophole, but while it's there I will take advantage of it.
The motorist is being clobbered again in the name of saving the environment.
However, I've got a gas guzzling, 22mpg, high polluting, 0-60 in 5.5 seconds super car, and it costs me £185 to tax it.
It's a loophole, but while it's there I will take advantage of it.
13 March 2008 | 06:42 PM
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13 March 2008 | 06:45 PM
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neither am i signing as the petition implies that only newer cars should pay, WHY, if the petition was to abolish tax altogether and add it to the already overtaxed fuel, then i am all for that, as a polluting car can only pollute if it is using fuel, i drive 4k miles a year in my scoob and pay the same as a scoob driving 15k a year. is that fair? of course not, but only if they insist on calling it a green tax, as they couldn't possibly call it anything else now could they. and BTW the If me paying £415 to tax the scoob a year will help meet our co2 targets in the future I dont disagree with it. people are the brainwashed voters of this inept government, then what chance do we have.
13 March 2008 | 06:48 PM
#37
neither am i signing as the petition implies that only newer cars should pay, WHY, if the petition was to abolish tax altogether and add it to the already overtaxed fuel, then i am all for that, as a polluting car can only pollute if it is using fuel, i drive 4k miles a year in my scoob and pay the same as a scoob driving 15k a year. is that fair? of course not, but only if they insist on calling it a green tax, as they couldn't possibly call it anything else now could they. and BTW the If me paying £415 to tax the scoob a year will help meet our co2 targets in the future I dont disagree with it. people are the brainwashed voters of this inept government, then what chance do we have.
13 March 2008 | 06:53 PM
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Well said. The media and government has made a situation that doesnt even exist into almost a panic...as this ongoing "Catastrophe" is something that will sell papers and draw viewers for as long as they like. We'll be due another ice age at some point...and when that comes along it'll no doubt be down to the evil freezers that people have in their houses. I suggest a £2000 tax per year of freezer use, as this will help greatly.
13 March 2008 | 07:00 PM
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Signed,
Everyone who actually believes the govenment are doing this to stop global warming and save the Earth are all very, VERY mistaken. This is a nice new way for the govenment to make millions of £'s over the next few years by building up peoples fears of global warming and the effects of car pollution on our planet.
The latest bad weather and the Earthquake have been the ideal opportunity to fool everyone into thinking it's all down to global warming.............it's nothing to do with car pollution, it's just an excuse to make loads of money by scare-mongering!!!
My neighbour has a 2.0 Mondeo and drives approximately 25k miles a year. I have a 2002 WRX and do around 8k miles a year. Who makes the most pollution??? Mondeo man, who gets taxed the most??? ME!!!
If there was any truth in this, then the tax should be added to fuel, the more miles you do, the more you pay, simple!!!
What will happen when the majority of the "gaz guzzlers" are taxed off the road?? There will be new tax bands and the bar will get lower and lower due to the CO2 per car. They are just scaring people into selling their cars and buying newer vehicles which will then be effected by the March 2001 onwards tax bands = even more money in their chubby little mitts!!!!
We as a car club should get together with all the other car clubs and stage some sort of protest. There are thousands of people just like us from all over the country who enjoy there cars which will be effected by this new thief tax!!!
As a summary, the govenment are still planning to use road charging and charge each driver of EVERY car per mile.
So why do they need to heavily tax so called "gas guzzlers"?? If we have to pay more money at the pumps due to low MPG, then more money to drive the cars, then why do they need even more money just so we can own them and keep them in our garages????
And as for people saying we need to vote out Labour, what changes do you think any of the other parties will bring in??? Any "green" issue will be left well alone, there will be absolutely no difference which ever party is elected!!!
CLARKSON FOR PM!!!
Everyone who actually believes the govenment are doing this to stop global warming and save the Earth are all very, VERY mistaken. This is a nice new way for the govenment to make millions of £'s over the next few years by building up peoples fears of global warming and the effects of car pollution on our planet.
The latest bad weather and the Earthquake have been the ideal opportunity to fool everyone into thinking it's all down to global warming.............it's nothing to do with car pollution, it's just an excuse to make loads of money by scare-mongering!!!
My neighbour has a 2.0 Mondeo and drives approximately 25k miles a year. I have a 2002 WRX and do around 8k miles a year. Who makes the most pollution??? Mondeo man, who gets taxed the most??? ME!!!
If there was any truth in this, then the tax should be added to fuel, the more miles you do, the more you pay, simple!!!
What will happen when the majority of the "gaz guzzlers" are taxed off the road?? There will be new tax bands and the bar will get lower and lower due to the CO2 per car. They are just scaring people into selling their cars and buying newer vehicles which will then be effected by the March 2001 onwards tax bands = even more money in their chubby little mitts!!!!
We as a car club should get together with all the other car clubs and stage some sort of protest. There are thousands of people just like us from all over the country who enjoy there cars which will be effected by this new thief tax!!!
As a summary, the govenment are still planning to use road charging and charge each driver of EVERY car per mile.
So why do they need to heavily tax so called "gas guzzlers"?? If we have to pay more money at the pumps due to low MPG, then more money to drive the cars, then why do they need even more money just so we can own them and keep them in our garages????
And as for people saying we need to vote out Labour, what changes do you think any of the other parties will bring in??? Any "green" issue will be left well alone, there will be absolutely no difference which ever party is elected!!!
CLARKSON FOR PM!!!
13 March 2008 | 07:11 PM
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Signed,
Everyone who actually believes the govenment are doing this to stop global warming and save the Earth are all very, VERY mistaken. This is a nice new way for the govenment to make millions of £'s over the next few years by building up peoples fears of global warming and the effects of car pollution on our planet.
The latest bad weather and the Earthquake have been the ideal opportunity to fool everyone into thinking it's all down to global warming.............it's nothing to do with car pollution, it's just an excuse to make loads of money by scare-mongering!!!
My neighbour has a 2.0 Mondeo and drives approximately 25k miles a year. I have a 2002 WRX and do around 8k miles a year. Who makes the most pollution??? Mondeo man, who gets taxed the most??? ME!!!
If there was any truth in this, then the tax should be added to fuel, the more miles you do, the more you pay, simple!!!
What will happen when the majority of the "gaz guzzlers" are taxed off the road?? There will be new tax bands and the bar will get lower and lower due to the CO2 per car. They are just scaring people into selling their cars and buying newer vehicles which will then be effected by the March 2001 onwards tax bands = even more money in their chubby little mitts!!!!
We as a car club should get together with all the other car clubs and stage some sort of protest. There are thousands of people just like us from all over the country who enjoy there cars which will be effected by this new thief tax!!!
As a summary, the govenment are still planning to use road charging and charge each driver of EVERY car per mile.
So why do they need to heavily tax so called "gas guzzlers"?? If we have to pay more money at the pumps due to low MPG, then more money to drive the cars, then why do they need even more money just so we can own them and keep them in our garages????
And as for people saying we need to vote out Labour, what changes do you think any of the other parties will bring in??? Any "green" issue will be left well alone, there will be absolutely no difference which ever party is elected!!!
CLARKSON FOR PM!!!
Everyone who actually believes the govenment are doing this to stop global warming and save the Earth are all very, VERY mistaken. This is a nice new way for the govenment to make millions of £'s over the next few years by building up peoples fears of global warming and the effects of car pollution on our planet.
The latest bad weather and the Earthquake have been the ideal opportunity to fool everyone into thinking it's all down to global warming.............it's nothing to do with car pollution, it's just an excuse to make loads of money by scare-mongering!!!
My neighbour has a 2.0 Mondeo and drives approximately 25k miles a year. I have a 2002 WRX and do around 8k miles a year. Who makes the most pollution??? Mondeo man, who gets taxed the most??? ME!!!
If there was any truth in this, then the tax should be added to fuel, the more miles you do, the more you pay, simple!!!
What will happen when the majority of the "gaz guzzlers" are taxed off the road?? There will be new tax bands and the bar will get lower and lower due to the CO2 per car. They are just scaring people into selling their cars and buying newer vehicles which will then be effected by the March 2001 onwards tax bands = even more money in their chubby little mitts!!!!
We as a car club should get together with all the other car clubs and stage some sort of protest. There are thousands of people just like us from all over the country who enjoy there cars which will be effected by this new thief tax!!!
As a summary, the govenment are still planning to use road charging and charge each driver of EVERY car per mile.
So why do they need to heavily tax so called "gas guzzlers"?? If we have to pay more money at the pumps due to low MPG, then more money to drive the cars, then why do they need even more money just so we can own them and keep them in our garages????
And as for people saying we need to vote out Labour, what changes do you think any of the other parties will bring in??? Any "green" issue will be left well alone, there will be absolutely no difference which ever party is elected!!!
CLARKSON FOR PM!!!
13 March 2008 | 07:34 PM
#44
we cant have it all way's!
now im certainly no ecologist or whatever but seriously the weather is weird,
One day very very heavy Rain (enough to cause flooding across the country) another day a big earthquake, and fairly often extreme wind's...
If me paying £415 to tax the scoob a year will help meet our co2 targets in the future I dont disagree with it.
The extra money will go towards greener energy, greener cars etc. Creating Many job's in this industry in research, testing and development.
Either way you look at it the world is changing.
The gov have given an extra £2bil towards our front line troops (some of whom im sure are our friends) over £4bil in healthcare and schooling. £2 per week extra per child, and a lower income tax rate....which im sure a lot of you posted when someone said how is this going to affect you! most of us are better off.
I personally think Darling is doing a great job, our economy has grown, where other countries have fallen.
I just hope they can sort out the problems with immigration etc.
Good luck to them.
now im certainly no ecologist or whatever but seriously the weather is weird,
One day very very heavy Rain (enough to cause flooding across the country) another day a big earthquake, and fairly often extreme wind's...
If me paying £415 to tax the scoob a year will help meet our co2 targets in the future I dont disagree with it.
The extra money will go towards greener energy, greener cars etc. Creating Many job's in this industry in research, testing and development.
Either way you look at it the world is changing.
The gov have given an extra £2bil towards our front line troops (some of whom im sure are our friends) over £4bil in healthcare and schooling. £2 per week extra per child, and a lower income tax rate....which im sure a lot of you posted when someone said how is this going to affect you! most of us are better off.
I personally think Darling is doing a great job, our economy has grown, where other countries have fallen.
I just hope they can sort out the problems with immigration etc.
Good luck to them.
By the way, the income tax is NOT good news for anyone earning £15,000 on average a year - they are £12 a month worse off.
Have a look at the Times for an analysis of how it will affect people - you'd be surprised who the real winners are.
13 March 2008 | 07:37 PM
#45
I am up for a protest. The reason fuel tax is so low in other countries is because if it goes up even a few points for example people go nuts and riot etc...basically they dont tolerate it. I had heard of rolling roadblocks planned on the M8 between Edinburgh and Glasgow, but that never came to anything????! This kind of action is needed.
And before anyone starts saying "yeah yeah, it won't make any difference" - it's people like that who have already given up - if we don't stand and fight now we're only encouraging them to f**k us over even more than they already are!
13 March 2008 | 07:41 PM
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Thats the thing, it's simple to cause absolute chaos on the roads, especially around Parliament square, city centres etc.. but it very very rarely happens as people are always up for it on the forums but most people chicken out (including myself) at the first sign of any action 
We all need to join forces and actually do something rather than just talk about it.
There are thousands of people that will be affected all over the Country, there's hundreds of car forums full of people just like us just with different types of "gas guzzling cars" and tastes, but we are all in the same position and will all be affected by this p**s taking rubish in the same way.
Half of our cars are sitting in the garage not causing any "so called" pollution, whilst millions of rep mobiles, etc.. are running up and down the country all year round racking up around 20-30k miles a year and paying virtually nothing compared to us lot! Who are the mugs??? US!!!
Even if 10% of members from every car club actually pulled their fingers out and done something, there would be thousands of cars and owners who could stand up and be counted.
I still don't think that any action would actually help in any way, it would cause a bit of chaos for a day and then everything would go back to normal, but it would make a point........and I'd feel better for it
We all need to join forces and actually do something rather than just talk about it.
There are thousands of people that will be affected all over the Country, there's hundreds of car forums full of people just like us just with different types of "gas guzzling cars" and tastes, but we are all in the same position and will all be affected by this p**s taking rubish in the same way.
Half of our cars are sitting in the garage not causing any "so called" pollution, whilst millions of rep mobiles, etc.. are running up and down the country all year round racking up around 20-30k miles a year and paying virtually nothing compared to us lot! Who are the mugs??? US!!!
Even if 10% of members from every car club actually pulled their fingers out and done something, there would be thousands of cars and owners who could stand up and be counted.
I still don't think that any action would actually help in any way, it would cause a bit of chaos for a day and then everything would go back to normal, but it would make a point........and I'd feel better for it
13 March 2008 | 07:43 PM
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i think you have to sit back and wonder how labour have managed to keep us up whilst other countries have had decline. i think you will probably find that most of our taxes go towards paying off the massive debt they have saddled the country with so in statistics they appear to have improved our lives when in reality they have made us a s***hole and europes dumping ground.
its not about anything else but squeezing more and more from people in any way or form. i have to say that if the boys who fought in the ww1 and ww2 knew what it would be like here now they wouldnt of bothered going
its not about anything else but squeezing more and more from people in any way or form. i have to say that if the boys who fought in the ww1 and ww2 knew what it would be like here now they wouldnt of bothered going
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13 March 2008 | 07:51 PM
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Don't think the government are oblivious to the loop holes, it's only a matter of time
I bought my Bugeye brand new in September 2002 as I was planning to keep it for a very long time. After 5 & 1/2 years of ownership, this is starting to make me wonder if it's worth keeping, even though I love it to bits
13 March 2008 | 07:51 PM
#51
Thats the thing, it's simple to cause absolute chaos on the roads, especially around Parliament square, city centres etc.. but it very very rarely happens as people are always up for it on the forums but most people chicken out (including myself) at the first sign of any action
We all need to join forces and actually do something rather than just talk about it.
There are thousands of people that will be affected all over the Country, there's hundreds of car forums full of people just like us just with different types of "gas guzzling cars" and tastes, but we are all in the same position and will all be affected by this p**s taking rubish in the same way.
Half of our cars are sitting in the garage not causing any "so called" pollution, whilst millions of rep mobiles, etc.. are running up and down the country all year round racking up around 20-30k miles a year and paying virtually nothing compared to us lot! Who are the mugs??? US!!!
Even if 10% of members from every car club actually pulled their fingers out and done something, there would be thousands of cars and owners who could stand up and be counted.
I still don't think that any action would actually help in any way, it would cause a bit of chaos for a day and then everything would go back to normal, but it would make a point........and I'd feel better for it
We all need to join forces and actually do something rather than just talk about it.
There are thousands of people that will be affected all over the Country, there's hundreds of car forums full of people just like us just with different types of "gas guzzling cars" and tastes, but we are all in the same position and will all be affected by this p**s taking rubish in the same way.
Half of our cars are sitting in the garage not causing any "so called" pollution, whilst millions of rep mobiles, etc.. are running up and down the country all year round racking up around 20-30k miles a year and paying virtually nothing compared to us lot! Who are the mugs??? US!!!
Even if 10% of members from every car club actually pulled their fingers out and done something, there would be thousands of cars and owners who could stand up and be counted.
I still don't think that any action would actually help in any way, it would cause a bit of chaos for a day and then everything would go back to normal, but it would make a point........and I'd feel better for it
13 March 2008 | 07:52 PM
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The problem with the labour government is that they are indecisive. If you run a anything...a business for example as soon as a problem arrises you have to think "deal with it". e.g man stabs someone and murders them - "right, get rid of him...throw him in the channel if need be!" Labours way - "this man must have had a troubled life....lets help him by buying him gifts etc to cheer him up. This can come out of taxpayers pocket."
Same goes with immigrants. How long has it taken them to sort out a system for that. And now they put it on the news as if we are meant to be happy. Its about 8 years too late you tw*ts! The country is full of extremists that hate it...but are more than happy to take handouts that WE, the taxpayer provide.
This is obviously a huge exaggeration
, but i'm sure everyone can see what i'm getting at...?
Same goes with immigrants. How long has it taken them to sort out a system for that. And now they put it on the news as if we are meant to be happy. Its about 8 years too late you tw*ts! The country is full of extremists that hate it...but are more than happy to take handouts that WE, the taxpayer provide.
This is obviously a huge exaggeration
, but i'm sure everyone can see what i'm getting at...?
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13 March 2008 | 08:00 PM
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Think it will take a bit longer than that. We really need to get as many people as possible from all over the country, not just in and around London. We need to cause as much chaos as possible. All forums need to be contacted such as Pistonheads, GTROC, MLR etc....
Although I'm sure there would be some negative feedback from the press about how little Timmy couldn't get to hospital as he was stuck in traffic...........it will be absolute rubbish, but I'm sure they will make every protestor look bad somehow
13 March 2008 | 08:03 PM
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Are you for real?
Earthquakes caused by Global warming?
Earthquakes have been happening for Billions of years, and will continue to do so untill the world explodes.
£415 will not meet any co2 targets. All £415 will do is boost Governments coffers. You are deluded to think otherwise. If we all bought a Diesel car tomorrow, you'd see Diesel Tax rise overnight too. All those people who were tanking up every 300 miles are now tanking up every 500 miles meaning less money to Government. Raising fuel taxes level it back up. Then what would Government do? Blame Diesel for Global warming with all the soot they spew out.
Where is all the Green taxes going? Green energy development? No.
Same as the rise in Alchohol duty. 4p a pint is not going to stop binge drinking, as drinking 10 pints is only 40p extra. All it does is raise funds.
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If the Government say it enough times, stupid people belive it.
Earthquakes caused by Global warming?
Earthquakes have been happening for Billions of years, and will continue to do so untill the world explodes.
£415 will not meet any co2 targets. All £415 will do is boost Governments coffers. You are deluded to think otherwise. If we all bought a Diesel car tomorrow, you'd see Diesel Tax rise overnight too. All those people who were tanking up every 300 miles are now tanking up every 500 miles meaning less money to Government. Raising fuel taxes level it back up. Then what would Government do? Blame Diesel for Global warming with all the soot they spew out.
Where is all the Green taxes going? Green energy development? No.
Same as the rise in Alchohol duty. 4p a pint is not going to stop binge drinking, as drinking 10 pints is only 40p extra. All it does is raise funds.
Edited to say:
If the Government say it enough times, stupid people belive it.
Beat me to it and very well put.
13 March 2008 | 08:09 PM
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the only way they would even sit up and take notice is if we all kicked off like they do in france with full scale rioting and destruction.
im afraid and sad to say that english people have lost their voice and b******s which is why they keeping screwing us over year after year,because we just look the other way and let them do it.there has to be change soon because i think when we finally do snap there will be big problems in this country
im afraid and sad to say that english people have lost their voice and b******s which is why they keeping screwing us over year after year,because we just look the other way and let them do it.there has to be change soon because i think when we finally do snap there will be big problems in this country
13 March 2008 | 08:11 PM
#58
Anyone who thinks the Tories would reverse this on gaining power (if they ever do) is deluding themselves: they would keep it, and then blame it on Labour and say: "Oh, we'd love to repeal this, but until we can get our finances in better order we'll have to keep it." And five years later it will still be there, if not actually worse.
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13 March 2008 | 08:17 PM
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13 March 2008 | 08:21 PM
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Anyone who thinks the Tories would reverse this on gaining power (if they ever do) is deluding themselves: they would keep it, and then blame it on Labour and say: "Oh, we'd love to repeal this, but until we can get our finances in better order we'll have to keep it." And five years later it will still be there, if not actually worse.
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M
I have voted Labour all my life, I doubt I will again ...... not because of taxes or Iraq or anything else - as the Tories will be EXACTLY THE SAME! No, because they have closed their eyes to assurances given in Parliment reference my Pension ....... they, Des Browne and Co. have sailed me down the river with my Pension Scheme and have lost my vote for that single action.
It's when it gets personal that people switch votes ........... I will not be voting Tory, by the way, as they are WORSE than NL!! I Guarantee it!!