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15 March 2008, 12:03 AM
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It really annoys me that I can't go down to the bank with a shotgun and empty your account along with a few hundred others. Why are you so intent on stopping me from enjoying myself?
15 March 2008, 12:05 AM
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In this country there is a serious case of brainwashing going on regarding the effects of 'excess' speed. But then all the preachers can rest easy in the fact that they are protecting society with their self-righteous attitude, in much the same way as those who harp on about global warming all the time. Anyone who 'speeds' is after all a potential child killer, and nobody wants that do they?
Try to quote statistics that say speed is a major factor in only 7% of road traffic incidents and a contributing influence in 12% and you will be instantly dismissed as a selfish sociopath. And for something that can be only directly attributed to 7% of RTAs, we sure do devote a lot of time and energy to it don't we? Very black and white though, isn't it? The Government sets the speed limits, and hey presto, if you exceed them you pay the price. Park up lads, turn on the cameras, and fire up those cash registers. Easy money! And the added bonus that one speeder equals one easy conviction and the crime statistics look very rosey. Just so long as the public buy into the 'Speeding Kills' propoganda. Beats catching burglars or dealing with losers scrapping outside the bookies, either way.
Now I don't condone exceeding the limits in built up areas as there is a valid reason for them (you really might kill a child!) but let's get real here, 70mph on a motorway is pig (hoho) slow. Perhaps someone might explain to me how it is that I might do 100mph here on the M1 (never yet come across any children playing there) and be accused by some of outrageous behaviour, and yet I can do 175mph on a similar road in Germany without recrimination. The only real difference is the limit in force on the road. I don't expect the limit on the M1 to be raised to 150mph, but when dealing with speed some latitude from the authorities would not be unreasonable. If you do 100mph on the motorway in broad daylight, in the dry and take due care then who really gives a damn?
If the authorities really cared about road safety then the focus would be on making sure those behind the wheel actually know how to drive. Car control, hazard perception, use of mirrors and indicators, lane discipline and just plain looking where you are going would be a good start. Wouldn't fill the kitty or puff up the crime stats though, would it?
As someone who drives for work, the only speeding that concerns me is in built up areas. What really concerns me is the general poor standard of driving that seems to be more prevalent nowadays but then dealing with that is no easy task.
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Try to quote statistics that say speed is a major factor in only 7% of road traffic incidents and a contributing influence in 12% and you will be instantly dismissed as a selfish sociopath. And for something that can be only directly attributed to 7% of RTAs, we sure do devote a lot of time and energy to it don't we? Very black and white though, isn't it? The Government sets the speed limits, and hey presto, if you exceed them you pay the price. Park up lads, turn on the cameras, and fire up those cash registers. Easy money! And the added bonus that one speeder equals one easy conviction and the crime statistics look very rosey. Just so long as the public buy into the 'Speeding Kills' propoganda. Beats catching burglars or dealing with losers scrapping outside the bookies, either way.
Now I don't condone exceeding the limits in built up areas as there is a valid reason for them (you really might kill a child!) but let's get real here, 70mph on a motorway is pig (hoho) slow. Perhaps someone might explain to me how it is that I might do 100mph here on the M1 (never yet come across any children playing there) and be accused by some of outrageous behaviour, and yet I can do 175mph on a similar road in Germany without recrimination. The only real difference is the limit in force on the road. I don't expect the limit on the M1 to be raised to 150mph, but when dealing with speed some latitude from the authorities would not be unreasonable. If you do 100mph on the motorway in broad daylight, in the dry and take due care then who really gives a damn?
If the authorities really cared about road safety then the focus would be on making sure those behind the wheel actually know how to drive. Car control, hazard perception, use of mirrors and indicators, lane discipline and just plain looking where you are going would be a good start. Wouldn't fill the kitty or puff up the crime stats though, would it?
As someone who drives for work, the only speeding that concerns me is in built up areas. What really concerns me is the general poor standard of driving that seems to be more prevalent nowadays but then dealing with that is no easy task.
Kevin
I do think though that more common sense is need when we are talking about motorway speeds, I believe the police are highly unlikely to nick you until you are well into the 80's though.
15 March 2008, 12:13 AM
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I don't think speed kills. Sudden stops kill, but it is usually speed or alcohol which leads to the sudden stop. I speed.... not as much as I used to, but that is probably why I haven't totalled the same number of cars and bikes in my 30's that I did in my 20's. A grown up will only get caught if they are being stupid...... Someone full of youthful exuberence and inexperience will get caught more frequently. If you are daft enough to not see the potential of a camera, then you deserve the fine and the points for being daft, and some more for getting caught
15 March 2008, 12:29 AM
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I don't think speed kills. Sudden stops kill, but it is usually speed or alcohol which leads to the sudden stop. I speed.... not as much as I used to, but that is probably why I haven't totalled the same number of cars and bikes in my 30's that I did in my 20's. A grown up will only get caught if they are being stupid...... Someone full of youthful exuberence and inexperience will get caught more frequently. If you are daft enough to not see the potential of a camera, then you deserve the fine and the points for being daft, and some more for getting caught
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15 March 2008, 12:57 AM
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Kevin....speed intelligently. If you are aware of everything on the road you can go as quickly as you want to. If you don't have the mental facility to be aware of everything at a given speed, then you are not capable of driving safely at that speed. Assume the camera is a child who has wandered off. Would you still drive past at 95, or would you back off, 'just in case.'
I used to go flat out everywhere, mainly because I was invincible and could see into the future. I managed to complete a journey from Belfast to Dublin on A and B roads once in 63 minutes. - Not bad for a 107 mile journey. Then I found a few people who shouldn't be allowed to drive. Basic errors. Changing lanes without checking behind, pulling out of a side road without looking...................... along with a few lessons about unknown road conditions........ coming into a 90+ corner on a bike at 55 and realising that there was cow ****e all over the road, 20 round a roundabout with new tyres that I could comfortably take at 50 on normal tyres.
All these things hurt. I consider myself lucky that nothing hurt permanently and that I didn't die, but to this day, I would still maintain that from 4 written off bikes and 2 written off cars, the only one that was my fault was the inexperience of new tyres (when I was going slowly anyway.) On the other 5 occasions, I was 'making progress' and someone else did something stupid. The fact that it was someone elses stupidity would not make me any less dead.
A sneaky camera could be a slippery road or a stray child. If you are aware that a potential hazard exists, you will drive accordingly. If you want to drive flat out and not think about what you see around you, then by all means, go ahead and get disqualified or dead.
I used to go flat out everywhere, mainly because I was invincible and could see into the future. I managed to complete a journey from Belfast to Dublin on A and B roads once in 63 minutes. - Not bad for a 107 mile journey. Then I found a few people who shouldn't be allowed to drive. Basic errors. Changing lanes without checking behind, pulling out of a side road without looking...................... along with a few lessons about unknown road conditions........ coming into a 90+ corner on a bike at 55 and realising that there was cow ****e all over the road, 20 round a roundabout with new tyres that I could comfortably take at 50 on normal tyres.
All these things hurt. I consider myself lucky that nothing hurt permanently and that I didn't die, but to this day, I would still maintain that from 4 written off bikes and 2 written off cars, the only one that was my fault was the inexperience of new tyres (when I was going slowly anyway.) On the other 5 occasions, I was 'making progress' and someone else did something stupid. The fact that it was someone elses stupidity would not make me any less dead.
A sneaky camera could be a slippery road or a stray child. If you are aware that a potential hazard exists, you will drive accordingly. If you want to drive flat out and not think about what you see around you, then by all means, go ahead and get disqualified or dead.
15 March 2008, 01:03 AM
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To be clear on this - I believe that to pass your driving test, you should be able to get a car sideways at more than a ton and wreck a set of tyres in a 1 hour test, otherwise you aren't allowed outside, but unfortunately this isn't the case, so we have to reduce our potential to that of the lowest common denominator
15 March 2008, 01:38 AM
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that's true...you get seem to learn where you can can let your hair down
with experience ....but with driving experience & gradually working your way up to a nice car you learn to respect the law
& speed limits....we have these cars for fun don't we?...so sorry why do we have fekwits who adhere to limits on here....why waste your hard earned cash on such cas? you will never expirence it's full potential so to me it is complete waste of money,such people should be pootleing arond in minies...sorry but people who say i have have subaru just for the name are sad old men who can't afford a ferraies.....
with experience ....but with driving experience & gradually working your way up to a nice car you learn to respect the law & speed limits....we have these cars for fun don't we?...so sorry why do we have fekwits who adhere to limits on here....why waste your hard earned cash on such cas? you will never expirence it's full potential so to me it is complete waste of money,such people should be pootleing arond in minies...sorry but people who say i have have subaru just for the name are sad old men who can't afford a ferraies.....
15 March 2008, 01:59 AM
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that's true...you get seem to learn where you can can let your hair down with experience ....but with driving experience & gradually working your way up to a nice car you learn to respect the law
& speed limits....we have these cars for fun don't we?...so sorry why do we have fekwits who adhere to limits on here....why waste your hard earned cash on such cas? you will never expirence it's full potential so to me it is complete waste of money,such people should be pootleing arond in minies...sorry but people who say i have have subaru just for the name are sad old men who can't afford a ferraies.....
with experience ....but with driving experience & gradually working your way up to a nice car you learn to respect the law & speed limits....we have these cars for fun don't we?...so sorry why do we have fekwits who adhere to limits on here....why waste your hard earned cash on such cas? you will never expirence it's full potential so to me it is complete waste of money,such people should be pootleing arond in minies...sorry but people who say i have have subaru just for the name are sad old men who can't afford a ferraies.....
15 March 2008, 12:27 PM
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Kevin....speed intelligently. If you are aware of everything on the road you can go as quickly as you want to. If you don't have the mental facility to be aware of everything at a given speed, then you are not capable of driving safely at that speed. Assume the camera is a child who has wandered off. Would you still drive past at 95, or would you back off, 'just in case.'
I used to go flat out everywhere, mainly because I was invincible and could see into the future. I managed to complete a journey from Belfast to Dublin on A and B roads once in 63 minutes. - Not bad for a 107 mile journey. Then I found a few people who shouldn't be allowed to drive. Basic errors. Changing lanes without checking behind, pulling out of a side road without looking...................... along with a few lessons about unknown road conditions........ coming into a 90+ corner on a bike at 55 and realising that there was cow ****e all over the road, 20 round a roundabout with new tyres that I could comfortably take at 50 on normal tyres.
All these things hurt. I consider myself lucky that nothing hurt permanently and that I didn't die, but to this day, I would still maintain that from 4 written off bikes and 2 written off cars, the only one that was my fault was the inexperience of new tyres (when I was going slowly anyway.) On the other 5 occasions, I was 'making progress' and someone else did something stupid. The fact that it was someone elses stupidity would not make me any less dead.
A sneaky camera could be a slippery road or a stray child. If you are aware that a potential hazard exists, you will drive accordingly. If you want to drive flat out and not think about what you see around you, then by all means, go ahead and get disqualified or dead.
I used to go flat out everywhere, mainly because I was invincible and could see into the future. I managed to complete a journey from Belfast to Dublin on A and B roads once in 63 minutes. - Not bad for a 107 mile journey. Then I found a few people who shouldn't be allowed to drive. Basic errors. Changing lanes without checking behind, pulling out of a side road without looking...................... along with a few lessons about unknown road conditions........ coming into a 90+ corner on a bike at 55 and realising that there was cow ****e all over the road, 20 round a roundabout with new tyres that I could comfortably take at 50 on normal tyres.
All these things hurt. I consider myself lucky that nothing hurt permanently and that I didn't die, but to this day, I would still maintain that from 4 written off bikes and 2 written off cars, the only one that was my fault was the inexperience of new tyres (when I was going slowly anyway.) On the other 5 occasions, I was 'making progress' and someone else did something stupid. The fact that it was someone elses stupidity would not make me any less dead.
A sneaky camera could be a slippery road or a stray child. If you are aware that a potential hazard exists, you will drive accordingly. If you want to drive flat out and not think about what you see around you, then by all means, go ahead and get disqualified or dead.
When I was first driving and riding 'bikes the traffic was so light that you could fall off your bike, pick it up, check it for damage, and get back on it long before any other cars etc might appear! Driving fast on the open roads was pretty safe and in the very early days there was not even a top speed limit outside restricted areas.
These days there is so much traffic around that it is just not safe to drive that fast anymore, and it won't get any better. I do think there is a case for increasing M Way speed limits, that would probably help to decrease bunching but I do not think that German regulations would be safe in this country.
It is an interesting exercise to stand by the side of a busy dual carriageway and note just how fast vehicles doing the speed limit really feel to you as they go past-especially lorries at 60 mph.
I also think it is a selfish thing to do to deliberately drive well above the posted speed limit just for your own sake when you may well be risking innocent people's lives by doing so. As was said above, excessive speed will not only increase the chance of an accident but also the consequences will be worse as well. That is an undeniable fact!
The only fair way to drive very fast is to do a track day or two!
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15 March 2008, 03:19 PM
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That is a perfectly logical comment. We have to remember that we do not have a right to ignore the law and as much of a hypocritical **** as that man is, he has the law on his side.
None of us has a god given right to ignore the law. If you want to do so in your car, you have to accept the risk of being done for it! It may well feel unfair to get caught on what appears to be a safe and clear piece of road except that the law has to take note of times when it may not be safe to speed in that spot and therefore there is a speed limit to cover those times. Speeding in a constricted or dangerous area is foolhardy and unfair to innocent people in the area.
The only answer if you value your licence and do not want to get hit in the pocket is to take note of what j4cko's mate said. What other answer is there?
Just don't bother to accuse me of being a "goody goody", it wont wash in the case of straight commonsense believe me. I have had my fair share of being up in front of the "Beak" and they always win!
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None of us has a god given right to ignore the law. If you want to do so in your car, you have to accept the risk of being done for it! It may well feel unfair to get caught on what appears to be a safe and clear piece of road except that the law has to take note of times when it may not be safe to speed in that spot and therefore there is a speed limit to cover those times. Speeding in a constricted or dangerous area is foolhardy and unfair to innocent people in the area.
The only answer if you value your licence and do not want to get hit in the pocket is to take note of what j4cko's mate said. What other answer is there?
Just don't bother to accuse me of being a "goody goody", it wont wash in the case of straight commonsense believe me. I have had my fair share of being up in front of the "Beak" and they always win!
Les
The same law that now says if a burgler gets into your house, and you catch him and fill him in, he gets compo and you get prison?
The same law that says people who rob old grannies are now NOT recommended for prison straight away, they must be tagged till second offence?
The same law that gives peodophiles light sentences, produced the pointless asbo, hates motorists, and now because of cherie blair qc(stupid bitch), favours human rights of criminals over the victims.
I ignore the law everyday, and if that includes speeding on a road ive driven on since i was 17, cos I know its safe to do so and i know the road, or protecting my property with a big bat, so be it!
The law and 99% of its enforcers are ****!
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15 March 2008, 06:46 PM
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In comment to the extract of your post above, if you we driving at the legal speed then these cameras in any location would not deter you from your normal drive as you would not need to worry about them, only speeders would be distracted by these situation as they would need to adjust their speed quickly to attempt to avoid capture and the subsequent penalties incurred, which i may add is dangerous... when you think about it the speeding arguement is one a speeder can never win really as there are too many reasons why you shouldnt speed in the first place.
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Anyone noticed how speed limits seem to be dropping on roads. New signs seem to be popping up all over the place that seem way too slow for the roads. There's 30 & 40 limits near me where it feels like you're crawling along & not a house or a school in sight 
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15 March 2008, 08:00 PM
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The 'appropriate speed' argument is frankly impossible to win because the two sides are so polarised. Some, like me, are fairly philosophical when approaching the subject whereas a large number of individuals appear to have absolute faith in the authorities, believing that they speak for God or some other higher power; therefore if you exceed the speed limit you are breaking the law, end of, and deserve to be punished. Perhaps if I towed the line with this, as with many other things dictated to us from on high, then my life would be somewhat easier. Stuff 'em I say, if we were in the Wild West I'd hoof it down the saloon and put a bullet in the sheriff. Life would be a damn sight more exciting.
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16 March 2008, 12:45 AM
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As usual everybody has gone off one about speeding in general, and you've all failed to realise what this thing is actually going to be used for
If I'm reading that article correctly, tihs trailer is going to be towed down a few popular roads, probably at about 5-10mph below the speed limit, causing a huge tailback behind it. Then they'll photograph the plate of everybody who get's impatient and overtakes it
The word I believe is, Entrapment
Am I the only one who hopes Mr Brundstrom will soon feel the need to emulate his recently deceased senior colleagues
If I'm reading that article correctly, tihs trailer is going to be towed down a few popular roads, probably at about 5-10mph below the speed limit, causing a huge tailback behind it. Then they'll photograph the plate of everybody who get's impatient and overtakes it
The word I believe is, Entrapment
Am I the only one who hopes Mr Brundstrom will soon feel the need to emulate his recently deceased senior colleagues
16 March 2008, 02:09 PM
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Gog given right to ignore the law?
The same law that now says if a burgler gets into your house, and you catch him and fill him in, he gets compo and you get prison?
The same law that says people who rob old grannies are now NOT recommended for prison straight away, they must be tagged till second offence?
The same law that gives peodophiles light sentences, produced the pointless asbo, hates motorists, and now because of cherie blair qc(stupid bitch), favours human rights of criminals over the victims.
I ignore the law everyday, and if that includes speeding on a road ive driven on since i was 17, cos I know its safe to do so and i know the road, or protecting my property with a big bat, so be it!
The law and 99% of its enforcers are ****!
The same law that now says if a burgler gets into your house, and you catch him and fill him in, he gets compo and you get prison?
The same law that says people who rob old grannies are now NOT recommended for prison straight away, they must be tagged till second offence?
The same law that gives peodophiles light sentences, produced the pointless asbo, hates motorists, and now because of cherie blair qc(stupid bitch), favours human rights of criminals over the victims.
I ignore the law everyday, and if that includes speeding on a road ive driven on since i was 17, cos I know its safe to do so and i know the road, or protecting my property with a big bat, so be it!
The law and 99% of its enforcers are ****!
I agree with your points about the unfair treatment of victims of crime in comparison to the criminals. You are not complaining about the law however, All those crimes you mentioned are provided for in the law of the land, but what you are rabbitting on about is the way it is administered and how punishment is meted out. This is recommended to the judiciary by the politicians and they are the ones who are at the root of this ridiculous carry on.
All that however does not give you the (God given) right to go breaking the law as you see fit. Not really worth it anyway because you will deservedly get done for it yourself sooner or later.
What sort of a society would you prefer to live in? Do you think there should be no laws whatsoever and that we can all do just as we like regardless of the problems or hurt that your actions would cause to others? Do you think we should be living in manner where the strongest gang is in charge and can take what they want and behave just as they wish with no regard for other people? Even animals do better than that in most cases!
If you don't think that is the way to exist, then to have a stable society it is necessary to have laws in place to protect the people from attack or theft etc. and to have a well ordered way for everyone to co-exist. Those laws and the judiciary should act in a fair and just manner and punish those who genuinely deserve it and not those who were defending themselves and their families and property. Better by far to attack the politicans' ridiculous ideas and methods then other innocent people by your failure to obey the law.
If as you say you just ignore the law and decide to act like an ****, you have no good excuse for that kind of behaviour, and eventually all your offences will "come home to roost" which will be no less than you deserve.
Les
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16 March 2008, 03:57 PM
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How is going over 60 on a long stretch of straight rd, with no houses or schools within miles of it, acting like an ****?
same goes for if i wake up to find my scoob alarm going off and some little **** trying to nick it at 3 in the morning, i know the law would do **** all about it so i would stove his head in with my "boston slugger", and not think twice about it.
A mates car was broken into last year and the cops didnt come round for 4 days, then they said it was too late to fingerprint, wtf's the point of that?
And the judiciary is not fair, cos lawyers, led by cherie blair, have made up human rights so they can make huge sums of money out of defending criminals, then saying their human rights were breached and suing for tens of thousands, the bloke who broke into a school, cut himsef on something while he was stealing, then tried to sue the school says it all to me
This countries politicians, laws and enforcers are ****!
And of course i want to live in a stable society, but a society where you can be punished for protecting your own stuff, or fined for countless stupid things that ten years ago werent even "offences", or smoke when you want, or have a quiet joint in your own home on a friday night (but its ok to get totally pi55ed every weekend and cause mayhem!) to me isnt stable!
The next time your pride and joy is being nicked and nothing is done about it by the authorities, and the little **** gets away with your car, you may think twice, same goes if a perfectly normal straight rd goes from 60 to 50 for no reason, then all of a sudden there is a camera there every rush hour, and you get done, you may start to question motives, like i do everyday!
same goes for if i wake up to find my scoob alarm going off and some little **** trying to nick it at 3 in the morning, i know the law would do **** all about it so i would stove his head in with my "boston slugger", and not think twice about it.
A mates car was broken into last year and the cops didnt come round for 4 days, then they said it was too late to fingerprint, wtf's the point of that?
And the judiciary is not fair, cos lawyers, led by cherie blair, have made up human rights so they can make huge sums of money out of defending criminals, then saying their human rights were breached and suing for tens of thousands, the bloke who broke into a school, cut himsef on something while he was stealing, then tried to sue the school says it all to me
This countries politicians, laws and enforcers are ****!
And of course i want to live in a stable society, but a society where you can be punished for protecting your own stuff, or fined for countless stupid things that ten years ago werent even "offences", or smoke when you want, or have a quiet joint in your own home on a friday night (but its ok to get totally pi55ed every weekend and cause mayhem!) to me isnt stable!
The next time your pride and joy is being nicked and nothing is done about it by the authorities, and the little **** gets away with your car, you may think twice, same goes if a perfectly normal straight rd goes from 60 to 50 for no reason, then all of a sudden there is a camera there every rush hour, and you get done, you may start to question motives, like i do everyday!
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How is going over 60 on a long stretch of straight rd, with no houses or schools within miles of it, acting like an ****?
same goes for if i wake up to find my scoob alarm going off and some little **** trying to nick it at 3 in the morning, i know the law would do **** all about it so i would stove his head in with my "boston slugger", and not think twice about it.
A mates car was broken into last year and the cops didnt come round for 4 days, then they said it was too late to fingerprint, wtf's the point of that?
And the judiciary is not fair, cos lawyers, led by cherie blair, have made up human rights so they can make huge sums of money out of defending criminals, then saying their human rights were breached and suing for tens of thousands, the bloke who broke into a school, cut himsef on something while he was stealing, then tried to sue the school says it all to me
This countries politicians, laws and enforcers are ****!
And of course i want to live in a stable society, but a society where you can be punished for protecting your own stuff, or fined for countless stupid things that ten years ago werent even "offences", or smoke when you want, or have a quiet joint in your own home on a friday night (but its ok to get totally pi55ed every weekend and cause mayhem!) to me isnt stable!
The next time your pride and joy is being nicked and nothing is done about it by the authorities, and the little **** gets away with your car, you may think twice, same goes if a perfectly normal straight rd goes from 60 to 50 for no reason, then all of a sudden there is a camera there every rush hour, and you get done, you may start to question motives, like i do everyday!
same goes for if i wake up to find my scoob alarm going off and some little **** trying to nick it at 3 in the morning, i know the law would do **** all about it so i would stove his head in with my "boston slugger", and not think twice about it.
A mates car was broken into last year and the cops didnt come round for 4 days, then they said it was too late to fingerprint, wtf's the point of that?
And the judiciary is not fair, cos lawyers, led by cherie blair, have made up human rights so they can make huge sums of money out of defending criminals, then saying their human rights were breached and suing for tens of thousands, the bloke who broke into a school, cut himsef on something while he was stealing, then tried to sue the school says it all to me
This countries politicians, laws and enforcers are ****!
And of course i want to live in a stable society, but a society where you can be punished for protecting your own stuff, or fined for countless stupid things that ten years ago werent even "offences", or smoke when you want, or have a quiet joint in your own home on a friday night (but its ok to get totally pi55ed every weekend and cause mayhem!) to me isnt stable!
The next time your pride and joy is being nicked and nothing is done about it by the authorities, and the little **** gets away with your car, you may think twice, same goes if a perfectly normal straight rd goes from 60 to 50 for no reason, then all of a sudden there is a camera there every rush hour, and you get done, you may start to question motives, like i do everyday!
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How is going over 60 on a long stretch of straight rd, with no houses or schools within miles of it, acting like an ****?
same goes for if i wake up to find my scoob alarm going off and some little **** trying to nick it at 3 in the morning, i know the law would do **** all about it so i would stove his head in with my "boston slugger", and not think twice about it.
A mates car was broken into last year and the cops didnt come round for 4 days, then they said it was too late to fingerprint, wtf's the point of that?
And the judiciary is not fair, cos lawyers, led by cherie blair, have made up human rights so they can make huge sums of money out of defending criminals, then saying their human rights were breached and suing for tens of thousands, the bloke who broke into a school, cut himsef on something while he was stealing, then tried to sue the school says it all to me
This countries politicians, laws and enforcers are ****!
And of course i want to live in a stable society, but a society where you can be punished for protecting your own stuff, or fined for countless stupid things that ten years ago werent even "offences", or smoke when you want, or have a quiet joint in your own home on a friday night (but its ok to get totally pi55ed every weekend and cause mayhem!) to me isnt stable!
The next time your pride and joy is being nicked and nothing is done about it by the authorities, and the little **** gets away with your car, you may think twice, same goes if a perfectly normal straight rd goes from 60 to 50 for no reason, then all of a sudden there is a camera there every rush hour, and you get done, you may start to question motives, like i do everyday!
same goes for if i wake up to find my scoob alarm going off and some little **** trying to nick it at 3 in the morning, i know the law would do **** all about it so i would stove his head in with my "boston slugger", and not think twice about it.
A mates car was broken into last year and the cops didnt come round for 4 days, then they said it was too late to fingerprint, wtf's the point of that?
And the judiciary is not fair, cos lawyers, led by cherie blair, have made up human rights so they can make huge sums of money out of defending criminals, then saying their human rights were breached and suing for tens of thousands, the bloke who broke into a school, cut himsef on something while he was stealing, then tried to sue the school says it all to me
This countries politicians, laws and enforcers are ****!
And of course i want to live in a stable society, but a society where you can be punished for protecting your own stuff, or fined for countless stupid things that ten years ago werent even "offences", or smoke when you want, or have a quiet joint in your own home on a friday night (but its ok to get totally pi55ed every weekend and cause mayhem!) to me isnt stable!
The next time your pride and joy is being nicked and nothing is done about it by the authorities, and the little **** gets away with your car, you may think twice, same goes if a perfectly normal straight rd goes from 60 to 50 for no reason, then all of a sudden there is a camera there every rush hour, and you get done, you may start to question motives, like i do everyday!
If you want to do over 60 on such a road, that is up to you, but you should not whine about it if you get caught and get a fine and the points.
You did say in your earlier post that you just ignore the law these days. That was the real point of the post that I made in reply. It is no answer to do that because if you do and every one else follows your example, what kind of a life would we have then? You would wear yourself out breaking their heads with your baseball bat! You would never keep up. Trouble is, when they get a big enough gang together-you would be in deep "cacky"
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Fair point mate, and your entitled to your opinion.
I realise my posts may have come across a bit confrontational,and for that i appologise!
I only igone the stupid laws that new labour have conjured up in their well used time in charge
i generally am a law obiding citizen, but things like persecuting motorists, and chavs running riot with no real threat from the law, and smack heads robbing grannies handbags and only getting a fine and tagged for two weeks, really pi55es me off!
If i ever saw a smack head try to rob some one i would beat them to within an inch of their pathetic lives, and to hell with the consequences.
Same goes if someone tried to nick my beloved scoob, they wouldnt do it again, and i have a BIG group of close mates, some are or used to be bouncers, so if the little **** wants a war with his jobless mates against us because i kicked his head in, trust me he WILL lose!
Not trying to cause friction, its just my opinion!
I guess im saying ive lost faith in the law to protect the people, its mostly there to raise revenue now!
I realise my posts may have come across a bit confrontational,and for that i appologise!
I only igone the stupid laws that new labour have conjured up in their well used time in charge
i generally am a law obiding citizen, but things like persecuting motorists, and chavs running riot with no real threat from the law, and smack heads robbing grannies handbags and only getting a fine and tagged for two weeks, really pi55es me off!
If i ever saw a smack head try to rob some one i would beat them to within an inch of their pathetic lives, and to hell with the consequences.
Same goes if someone tried to nick my beloved scoob, they wouldnt do it again, and i have a BIG group of close mates, some are or used to be bouncers, so if the little **** wants a war with his jobless mates against us because i kicked his head in, trust me he WILL lose!
Not trying to cause friction, its just my opinion!
I guess im saying ive lost faith in the law to protect the people, its mostly there to raise revenue now!
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Fair point mate, and your entitled to your opinion.
I realise my posts may have come across a bit confrontational,and for that i appologise!
I only igone the stupid laws that new labour have conjured up in their well used time in charge
i generally am a law obiding citizen, but things like persecuting motorists, and chavs running riot with no real threat from the law, and smack heads robbing grannies handbags and only getting a fine and tagged for two weeks, really pi55es me off!
If i ever saw a smack head try to rob some one i would beat them to within an inch of their pathetic lives, and to hell with the consequences.
Same goes if someone tried to nick my beloved scoob, they wouldnt do it again, and i have a BIG group of close mates, some are or used to be bouncers, so if the little **** wants a war with his jobless mates against us because i kicked his head in, trust me he WILL lose!
Not trying to cause friction, its just my opinion!
I guess im saying ive lost faith in the law to protect the people, its mostly there to raise revenue now!
I realise my posts may have come across a bit confrontational,and for that i appologise!
I only igone the stupid laws that new labour have conjured up in their well used time in charge
i generally am a law obiding citizen, but things like persecuting motorists, and chavs running riot with no real threat from the law, and smack heads robbing grannies handbags and only getting a fine and tagged for two weeks, really pi55es me off!
If i ever saw a smack head try to rob some one i would beat them to within an inch of their pathetic lives, and to hell with the consequences.
Same goes if someone tried to nick my beloved scoob, they wouldnt do it again, and i have a BIG group of close mates, some are or used to be bouncers, so if the little **** wants a war with his jobless mates against us because i kicked his head in, trust me he WILL lose!
Not trying to cause friction, its just my opinion!
I guess im saying ive lost faith in the law to protect the people, its mostly there to raise revenue now!
Tell me about it - about 3 years ago someone got into my house at 3in the morning, i was asleep on the sofa, anyway he woke me and lets just say i ejected him from my house. He was literally stood over me as i woke.
I called the police, they said they would do a quick search of the area but i'd better not had hurt him as i could have been arrested for assault.
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Tell me about it - about 3 years ago someone got into my house at 3in the morning, i was asleep on the sofa, anyway he woke me and lets just say i ejected him from my house. He was literally stood over me as i woke.
I called the police, they said they would do a quick search of the area but i'd better not had hurt him as i could have been arrested for assault.
I called the police, they said they would do a quick search of the area but i'd better not had hurt him as i could have been arrested for assault.
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Fair point mate, and your entitled to your opinion.
I realise my posts may have come across a bit confrontational,and for that i appologise!
I only igone the stupid laws that new labour have conjured up in their well used time in charge
i generally am a law obiding citizen, but things like persecuting motorists, and chavs running riot with no real threat from the law, and smack heads robbing grannies handbags and only getting a fine and tagged for two weeks, really pi55es me off!
If i ever saw a smack head try to rob some one i would beat them to within an inch of their pathetic lives, and to hell with the consequences.
Same goes if someone tried to nick my beloved scoob, they wouldnt do it again, and i have a BIG group of close mates, some are or used to be bouncers, so if the little **** wants a war with his jobless mates against us because i kicked his head in, trust me he WILL lose!
Not trying to cause friction, its just my opinion!
I guess im saying ive lost faith in the law to protect the people, its mostly there to raise revenue now!
I realise my posts may have come across a bit confrontational,and for that i appologise!
I only igone the stupid laws that new labour have conjured up in their well used time in charge
i generally am a law obiding citizen, but things like persecuting motorists, and chavs running riot with no real threat from the law, and smack heads robbing grannies handbags and only getting a fine and tagged for two weeks, really pi55es me off!
If i ever saw a smack head try to rob some one i would beat them to within an inch of their pathetic lives, and to hell with the consequences.
Same goes if someone tried to nick my beloved scoob, they wouldnt do it again, and i have a BIG group of close mates, some are or used to be bouncers, so if the little **** wants a war with his jobless mates against us because i kicked his head in, trust me he WILL lose!
Not trying to cause friction, its just my opinion!
I guess im saying ive lost faith in the law to protect the people, its mostly there to raise revenue now!
It is certainly well past time that criminals were treated in the way they deserve and that the victims were truly protected by the judiciary and the police. I can't see what wrong with Hard Labour while in prison myself.
Les
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