I bought this car from Chris Jones some years ago and still have it, I don't believe the figures quoted when Chris owned it but it was still too much for road.

 

Hi mate Great to see the car's still around! That was Chris's opinion on the day but I do remember him trying to sell it or strip it soon after we had that meeting.

Do you feel that it's too much as that's key to what were discussing here...?

I also remember that the suspension was rick hard. No movement in it whatsoever, this may have had something to do with the fact he couldn't stay with the cars there if it was setup for the track.. have you any pictures?

 

Hi Alan, I bought it in the spec that you remember, I would guess it was making 450 max at that time. It was on Tein suspension when I got it and was bloody awful to drive, I changed it for 05 spec c legs and springs and it improved no end.
I haven't run it for a while, sold my last engine which is now in Stevebt's car, I picked up my new engine last weekend and hope to have it running shortly.

 

Is the flux capacitor still in the boot I remember the pumps and surge tanks looking like something from the Starship Enterprise, and the Green filter about the size of a recycling wheelie-bin

 

I would say around 320/330.

 

Rule of thumb:

To go from Flywheel to Wheel HP: Multiply the Flywheel figure by 0.75
To go from Wheel to Flywheel HP: Divide the Wheel figure by 0.75

It's all not quite so easy as there'll be different losses from the length of drive shafts to the various gearbox and diff ratios... But Einstein is there with it being about 333.

 

187.5 BHP, according to this:

 

im getting my car an ecutek remap at scooby clinic next week i let you know how i get on

 

Oops wrong way round.. ta son...

 

Cheers Ian. JB & the boys will look after you.... Go for the Torque!!!

'BHP sells cars, torque wins races' - Anon

 

yeah i cant wait i had a sports cat downpipe fitted last week so im expecting a much more interesting drive when it gets back
there gonna be fitting me a set of gauges in it too

 

You can tell the weather has been bad today can't you !

LOL

DunxC

P.S. I enjoy my on-going "experiment"... if only I could actually persuade anyone to sell me the bits I need !

 

I think it depends what kinda person you are too like me i've done 90% of all work to my car 100% mechanical and handling so far.
only thing i haven't done is mapping and geometry done by someone else and i think thats where the difference in thinking comes in on power vs handling i think you need to do both to get the best out of the car but for me power mods have been the most interesting in fitting.

I also think it comes down to the drivers skills to get best out of a car if your a crap driver it doesn't matter if you have power or handling you wont get the most out of the car if its beyond your skills but the better handling car they will be able to drive faster as it will flatter there skills.

A good driver can use a powerful car with control of throttle and braking and position to maximise the car but with handling as well he can push it futher.
but i really don't think doing coil overs on a car below 350bhp is worth the expence for most people i do think its worth doing arb's, springs and geometry for about £300 to £400 compared to £1703 for also adding ast's if you have the money fair enough. but when i compare alan's car to my old power spec simular to his minus ast's and wayne's scooby as his car is at that power level but with only prodrive springs added there is no difference in corner speeds that i've seen on any run out.

Above 350bhp nearer to 400 then its worth doing coil overs as thats what i'l be doing next the fast road exe-tc to maximise the car but i did do power first as i think i aint too bad at driving and i'd rather have power to use out of corners and for over taking etc but thats just my opinion

 

Lets be honest, it's "your" car and messing with it is a hobby, not always best value, or most sensible, but fun all the same. I will admit to being quite happy my car out-performs it's driver....that's why I invested in a decent car !
I recently made apoorly judged over-taking manoeuvre on the way to Squire's and had to get back on my side of the road a bit sharpish
With Whiteline's help the 80 mph "elk test" was a total non event....

Except on my heart-rate !

Enjoy while we can still afford it !

DunxC

 

I'm not going to play devils advocate here because there's been sensible and wise words said throughout. Swifty is spot on with the personal preference comment as, thankfully, we're all different.

At least Jimmy has a damn good idea of the options open to him and at the end of the day it will be down to his personal wants and needs.... and wallet size!

 

Jimmy. Go for an initial IAM driving course with your local IAM group.

Fairly cheap option whereby a training 'observer' will take you out a few times and send you away with points to work on. After you've been out with the observer for a few 2 Hr sessions he'll pass you on to an examiner who'll take you out and pass / fail you. It's not like the normal road test and is all pretty friendly and relaxed. The total costs should be around £80 (one of our guys - Apple - did it last and may be able to add more recent detail if he's lurking...)

The IAM is designed for defensive road driving aided by advanced car control, forward planning and observation. Once you've passed and are happy driving like that, then look for someone to take you out for the Roadcraft session. This isn't for normal non-Police drivers as the technique is very aggressive in parts and is designed around being safe at speed (illegal in most cases). There are some sites around advertising lessons, but I'm not sure how far these people go. The guy who took me & Dave was happy to lead us up to the limits we felt were safe.

Personally, I'd not recommend any Roadcraft until you've done the IAM or ROSPA advanced tests as the short Roadcraft tuition builds logically upon the skills the Advanced courses teach. You'll certainly get more out of it if you're serious on perfecting your driving skills...

IAM West Yorkshire - Felicity Fuller 01484 847918
Their website - WYAMs

 

Highly recommend doing an advanced driving course, IMO every driver should have to do one, will save a bit on insurance too but also save on petrol and wear and tear of vehicle

 

Im going to look further into this Alan, thanks

 

What guages you having fit mate....

 

I got 311 at the wheels at AET turbos rolling road day on my old spec, this equates to 414bhp at the flywheel but find this a tad optimistic.
I was told to divide by 0.8 and this gives a figure of 389bhp, which i find a little more believable.

Banny

 

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Great figures mate...

There's a difference of opinion between the .75 & .8 divisions, with the difference between the 414 & 389 figures. There's nothing optimistic about the 414 figure as it's all down to physical drivetrain losses. Plus every RR will give a slightly different figure anyway. The BHP figures are pretty irrelevant as it's the torque that actually gives you the computed power figures anyway. What were your torque figs?

 

How much are those....

Look well though mate...

 

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scoobyclinic are suppyling the centre dash pod and fitting them for me as im rubbish at anything like that lol

 

Can I ask what their charging for fitting those mate?

 

The torque figure was 290 lb/ft at the wheels, so 0.75 = 387 lb/ft at the flywheel or 0.8 = 363 lb/ft at the flywheel.

Banny

 

Bump on this mate?

 

Will try calling him tomorrow

 

Cheers mate, much appreciated.

I don't suppose you can point me in the direction of somewhere that can have a look at my shocks/struts could you?

Been out today and Im gettign the dreaded clunking/tapping/knocking at times, deffo started this past few days

 

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