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Just another thought what about going down the M40 and meet at Oxford Services and then to end of M40 onto A40 right into London, Also the congestion charge is only Monday to Friday. I think we will struggle if you are trying to meet up on the inner side of the M25 unless we can find an industrial area will keep looking though

 

"The Fuel Duty Freeze is welcome but the Campaign goes on" says RHA.
The Road Haulage Association welcomes today’s announcement by the Chancellor that the 2 pence per litre fuel duty increase is to be deferred until October 2008.
The Road Haulage Association welcomes today’s announcement by the Chancellor that the 2 pence per litre fuel duty increase is to be deferred until October 2008.

"Yes of course we welcome today’s news,” said RHA Chief Executive Roger King. “It is encouraging to know that we have a Chancellor who has listened to what we have to say. However, this deferment is essentially a short term fix. Ours is an industry that is now in desperate need of a long term solution, not just a deferment of a fuel duty increase in October 2008 and another proposed 1.84 pence per litre in April 2009."

The price of fuel continues to rise on what seems to be a daily basis and the costs for the UK haulage industry rise in line with each increase.

"We have heard of incentives for motorists to save their motoring costs with vehicle excise duty levels being reduced for vehicles with low carbon emissions. UK hauliers are already operating the cleanest vehicles in Europe.

"We STILL await a view from the Chancellor on how UK hauliers can meet foreign competition, fuelled with diesel that is at least 26 ppl cheaper. This is distorting the marketplace, is unfair and remains unacceptable.

This was billed as a budget for stability fairness and opportunity for everyone in Britain. But have seen no fairness for hauliers in dealing with foreign competition. Our campaign to stop further fuel duty increases will continue.

 

RHA re-enforces its position on Fuel Duty
The Road Haulage Association questions the idea of taking trucks onto the roads of Britain to protest against high fuel prices as pointless, potentially counter-productive and potentially illegal.
While accepting that some form of protests from frustrated hauliers is possible, the RHA says that it is not the course favoured by most of its members – even though they are increasingly frustrated by the government’s fuel duty policy.

The RHA makes the following points:

It calls for an end to fuel duty increases that are fuelling inflation and making a volatile fuel market worse.
It calls for a solution to the unfair fuel duty difference between the UK and the rest of the EU. Britain’s diesel tax is more than twice that of the rest of the EU and for a typical artic doing 100,000 miles a year, that means an extra £15,000 in fuel duty. Even a low-mileage artic is paying £8,000 a year more than European rivals.
The RHA’s weekly fuel price survey shows fuel prices have risen for 12 consecutive weeks, . The Association warned the Treasury during the summer and again in September against an inflationary increase in fuel duty under such circumstances. Despite this, the Chancellor went ahead with 2 pence per litre increase on October 1.
The Treasury asserts that fuel duty is slightly less in real terms now than it was in 1999. That may be true. But the cost of diesel has risen by more than 50% and the government charges VAT on that cost, as well as on fuel duty. For every 5p increase in the price, the government takes almost 1p in VAT.
The price of diesel is only around 37p – before taxes.
The number of foreign trucks in the country, with cheap diesel, is rising and now stands, the RHA calculates, at around 15,000 artics.

"We do not believe that protest action is the constructive way forwards and such an approach would not be supported by the large majority of our members,” said RHA Chief Executive Roger King.

“Nonetheless, the increasing duty burden is clearly unfair and we look we look to the government to recognise that fact and to act accordingly.”



JUST THOUGHT I WOULD POST A COUPLE OF THINGS FROM THE ROAD HAULAGE SITE FOR PEOPLE TO READ AS IT MENTIONS ABOUT THE FUEL PRICES IS JUST GOING TO KEEP RISING

 

The m40 is a pain in the **** for anyone living on the east side of england .... which is many of us. M1 is the most central and as said meet at the services.

That haulage spokesman is a bit of a wet drip also as saying "thanks" for listening is a load of bolx, defered until Oct ??? fk me why bother they are getting an increase in funding for the VAT alone ... as was then mentioned!

When limp wristed responses like this are given from senior people voicing concerns for an industry (and on reflection eveyone who buys anything) no wonder we've been taking it in the rear for so long.

 

how are we actually going to get our point across? obviously a slow drive through busy roads will get us noticed. but how will we get people to know what our protest is about?

 

Just a thought me be if we could print in large letters on A4 paper or something saying fuel protest etc and stick them in the rear door windows on every car and would be cheap too

 

My thoughts exactly

 

excellent. reckon we should get some custom graphics designed and set up and all chip in like 2 quid each then have a volunteer put them on their car

 

LOL - you can guarantee that if enough people turn up in Scoobs at least one of them will already have graphics (just not the sort we're on about)

 

I do know someone that can do this (Stickystuff of WYIOC)

BTW have been sending a few e-mails out recently the RAC organization and Transaction-2007 as well as asking for other support.

 

 

186. Slamsti

 

187. L3OUDGIRL

 

Bttt

Trying to get the pistonheaders on board

 

Sorry but I find this quite amusing still, if you have not quite read the news for the last, oh 6 months, you may find that we are hitting a resession, oil is like 112 dollars per barrel, ok we have the highest tax on fuel in europe, but ive said it once and ill say it again, if you cant afford to run one of these cars, then dont, and I dont give a flying **** what you think, if you cant accept the truth then dont, your downfall not mine

Tony

 

Tony you seem to love berating people on here and telling folk how well you've done juging by past threads.

Yes oil has gone up, and we pay one of the highest fuel taxes in the world and as for road tax.

If you find it amusing then to you it doesn't really interest you from what i can gather.

In that case dont post.

I seem to remember you spitting your dummy out at a Smacs RR day when your Spec C didn't make the power it should have

 

Actually it did make the power after the ecu was reset
And as for berating people, well tough, I pay more per litre of diesel than most people do per litre of super unleaded, yet do you see me complain? the answer is no.

People will not except the fact that if you reduce the tax on fuel, you will have to pay that tax somewhere else, thats the funniest part about it, people expect things for free, nothing is free in life except the air we breath but people will own high performance cars and dont want to pay the 1. running costs, 2. fuel bills, 3. road tax, 4. Insurance premiums.
Now of course if you dont agree with the above, your either stupid or very sheltered

Tony

 

Hmmm i must be very sheltered then - but stupid, well thats your opinion - less of the personal insults please Tony.

The reason tax has gone up because the goverment has f**ked the economy. try getting all these lazy s**ts back to work that are claiming disability benefit, sack all the beauracratic idiots that we have in power.

That should save a few quid.

Anyone and i dont care who they are can be financially riding a crest of a wave one minute then take a tumble - then things like fuel bills and taxation are a priority. Justr because i dont have the wealth of you Tony doesn't mean that i'm any less passionate about cars.

We are living in a dictatorship not a democracy anymore.

 

What a totally ignorant post.

I agree nothing is free money has to come from somewhere it's the where that is my issue. More to the point I don't even pay for my fuel but this still is something I fully support as fuel price increases affect everybody no matter what they drive, what they do, how much they earn - the price increases affect everything physical we buy as it has to be delivered some how, if you don't understand that then you have a problem and


I personally don't have a problem with running costs or insurance premiums as you say it's a performance car (and as they are nothing to do with this why troll .... having a boring day) but I think the motorist is unfairly leant on to increase tax intake.

Take the time Tony to understand the issues at hand because clearly you don't grasp the point.

.....Troll away

 

I dont mind paying the tax else where, may be on something that is more or less used by all, so that motorists arent descriminated against. Surely the government should be putting this tax onto other areas, if we all moved to electric cars they would suddently have even more of a deficit in their required revenue.

Imho tax on fuel should all go to road and public transport. We shouldnt raise revenue from fuel, speeding tickets, other car related fines and then use them to finance other areas like schools or hospitals.

I dont expect anything for free. i understand insurance costs and running costs, and can accept increase road tax bills relating to co2 emmissions. What i can accept is the tax margin placed on fuel in relation to the amount that goes back into roads and the transport network.

I think all tax from ciggies should go to cures for cancer. Again, if we all give up there will not be anything for the government to tax in years to come, so relying on the tax for anything like hospitals or schools is a bad idea.

 

It's nothing to do with people protesting because they drive a high performance car and can't afford the fuel it's to do with the fact were getting shafted on everything in this country and fuel is something we all use regularly and it hits home hard.

So when all these business complained last time and the truckers, and these old people who just about get by on there pensions but can't afford to run there B Reg 1.1 Metros were they all just protesting because really they had high performance cars?

 

Sorry if I offended you but people just dont see the big picture, they are stuck in their own little reality (not meaning you btw )
Actually you may find its the banks that have caused the problems with credit lending, followed by a dramatic increase in house prices, then people getting silly 8x mortgages because of low interest rates, having those interest rates go up by 1% and being screwed, its not the taxes that are the biggest problem.
The next problem is europe, our neighbours in hell, well they add to our fuel problems, but we have resessions about once every 20 or so years, look back in the 80's with 16% interest rates, houses went though the roof before then, then it all came tumbling down when interest rates went up from 5%.
People are also blind to the fact that they are no better off now than they were 15 years ago, the house market is one of our issues, its false economy, you own a house that 15 years ago cost 90k, now is worth 500k, the fact is that all those 90k houses are now worth 500k, you have gained nothing because if you sell up your out of pocket, the next level house use to be 120k, thats now 650k.

Is it the governments fault? well partially, but things in government take time to do, its a slow process, the main issues are still credit related, still down to the banks (those damned americans for you), immigration doesnt help, cheap labour, thats europe for you though, thats a big problem in itself.

Tony

 

Hmmm still some not getting the point.
We are not exactly getting shafted, its called inflation, things will go up, you get a rate of inflation pay rise to cover this, it looks as if things are going up, well they are, so you now have a payrise to compensate for it, my last payrise was roi, it covers me for my costs, im no better off this year (well about 200 quid up) than I was last year.

Have a look here BBC - Homepage and look in the business section

Or you can read this one

BBC NEWS | Business | Oil pauses for breath near $120

 

No problem Tony

Agree with some of the above comment, now i'm not exactly an Einstein at economics but i feel that this present goverment could do more.

Someone (who is a right leftie btw) argued that they dont own a car so it wont affect them - but it does. Food needs to be delivered, theres no tax relief for commercial business that use transport, lorries, couriers, your local decorator with a van. Its madness.

Agree oil is ridiculous and is a major contributing factor but from every viewpoint the motorist is getting done over, from speed camera revenue, road fun licensing, fuel tax etc.

What makes me boil is it is thinly disguised as a green tax and surely you agree that is a load of twaddle.

 

I agree with the fact that co2 is a contributer of global warming, but cutting down miles of rain forest releases more co2 than all the cars in the world, plus you have the "bio fuel" problem, cut down trees to make way for fields of the rape seed stuff that is then being burnt, causing co2.

Im against the co2 tax for one major reason, diesels.
Diesels do produce less co2, thats a fact, they also pump more soot out into the atmosphere, also a fact, making them a more poluting car than a petrol, but you get discount because it produces 149 grams per km, that sucks, where as the 225gpkm car is still greener yet pays 400 quid per year.

Tony

 

you only have to venture in any city centre to witness that

 

It's not just cars and the destruction of the rain forest.

I don't see them using the money to improve power generation, which if you look at it in the big picture, is almost as bad if not worse than cars.

Generation of electricity accounts for around 33% of all CO2 emissions in many Western countries (example here is the USA, so in the UK it's probably likely to be less; incidentally, residential electricity usage only makes up 1/3 of this). Compare this to cars @ 25%.

19% of global electricity generation is taken for lighting - that's more than is produced by hydro or nuclear stations, and about the same that's produced from natural gas.

However, I don't see those companies facing huge fines or taxation for emitting CO2. That's probably because aforementioned companies are probably lining Gordon and Alistair's pockets with backhanders.

This article from the Telegraph has some interesting and valid comments at the bottom..