Paul3446

You can no longer get "A"s, they've been reclassified to "B".

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

Because it's subjective and you're using a well known legal drug as a reference point.

Paul3446

But why aren't these people who make alcohol out to be so evil, asking for that to be banned?

PeteBrant

Well I think to make a case for anything drug related either for or against, there has to be a frame of reference.

The powers that be have deemed that Tobacco and Alcohol have an acceptable level of safety in order to be sold to the general public with no restrictions (other than age).

Now given this, then Cannibis should be subject to a compulsary free give away with packets of cereal, because its level of safety is much much great than either tobacco or Alcohol.

If you smoke there is a high likelyhood it will kill you.
If you drink to excess there is a high likelyhood it will kill you
There is no link between cannibis and lung cancer

It think it's the inconsistancy that annoys.

But, leaving alcohol aside entirely.

I think that as a person I should have the right to choose whether or not to smoke cannibis. With the caveat that the same controls as smoking tobacco in public apply.

This is due to the fact that if I choose to smoke it, then there is no more likelyhood of me affecting anyone elses life due to me smoking it, than smoking a cigarette.

The schizophrenic scare is a complete red herring, conjured up to justify a banning due to poublic safety.

The Government realises that it is increasignly difficult to justify the staggering inconsistancies we have with regards to controlled substances.

If you legalise it, as I say, you get tax revenue, you take the revenue generated out of the criminal element, you introduce quality control and can introduce support networks.

PeteBrant

Why would they?

I think both should be legal.


As for making out alchol to be evil, I think in comparitive terms, when it comes to death, families affected, violence and crime, Cannibis is like Mary Whitehouse, and Alcohol is like Pol Pot.

_RIP_

So. You sat in HMG's Vulcan bomber while prepared to kill hundreds, if not thousands (I'm sure you knew you were doing the right thing, oh yeah, just following orders ), and now a wee spliff is the anti-christ?

Show me the evidence bomber man. Come on then, show me the huge statistics that says cannabis is the killer and destructor of men. You must be simple to worry about this with the present world crisis.

You know nothing old man, your "I fought in the war for you lot" hypocrisy was wasted at birth with the completely ignorant comments you spout on a regular basis. Thank **** there is a retirement age for fossils like you. Get a grip and wake up man, before they finally nail the lid shut. Our fine planet is fecked and its nowt to do with a plant. You should have more to worry about imo.

_RIP_

Forget lightening up as you put it. Ive more experience of schizophrenia than most, my brother has been diagnosed as schizophrenic since 12 years old. Ive dealt with drug companies and consultants and psychiatric staff for over 16 years, both personally and professionally. I know of many in the psychiatric profession who smoke cannabis and have done so for many, many years. I don't need some aged media hoover telling me whats what with schizophrenia and cannabis. I know the stats and I know the sh!te.

If Les has an opinion on schizophrenia and cannabis use its from reading the sun and no more, its certainly not from personal experience.

Get over it fan boys.

Paul3446

And I though Cannabis was supposed to chill you out!

PeteBrant

Gear Head

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' I don't smoke da reefa.........I smoke a pipe pipe pipe pipe pipe.......!'

Oh the days of garage!

Leslie

How strong is Skunk?

Les

Gear Head

iTrader: (2)

How strong is Jack Daniels?

Chris

The Zohan

Ok, the media are telling us that the skunk avaliable now is some 2-3 times+ stronger than it was in the 60's is this a myth or not.

I have had friends who have taken it who now have treatment for paranoia and depression which they attribute to their frequent use of smoking weed and resin. Are they brainwashed or is it possible that this has contributed.

I am not a user of skunk or resin - makes me puke for a start and it is not my thing.

IMHO i think there is a lot of scaremongering and i think a lot of misinformation. I also think people do not know if it is legal, nearly legal or what the ****.

I'm off for a line and a beer

Norman Dog

iTrader: (1)

What difference does it make if cannabis is classed as A,B,C,D etc. ?

Would there be any difference whatsoever in people smoking it depending on it's classification?

Don't see the attraction personally, it stinks and makes you paranoid

Martin2005

Well here's a new experience, I'm with Paul on this one and not you Pete. I feel cannibis should be class upgraded.
The message sent out is then loud and clear.

I don't want any ambiguity on this issue, I want my kids to know it's wrong and illegal It IS the thin edge of the wedge, cannibis does lead to much stronger drugs being used.

Leslie

What an unpleasant and childish attack to make on me, it shows that you know you have a weak argument and this is the only way you can think of to lay into me.

Yes I was quite prepared to go and bomb a military target if I was sent off on such a mission and the reason for that would have been that part of Nato, which of course included this country had been attacked by the Eastern Bloc with nuclear weapons. The fact the the other side knew that I and my compatriots were ready to respond should they be so silly to start it off was a very big part in persuading them that it would be very stupid to attempt it. It seems that we got it right because it never happened I am very glad to say. I am not in the slightest bit ashamed that I was prepared to do my duty as was required of me for the sake of this country.

Your attempt to decry the Services for the duty which they were charged with is beyond the pale. It also has nothing to do with the subject under discussion in this thread. I hold that I am perfectly entitled to my opinion even if it has obviously touched a nerve when it comes to you and your feelings about the use of drugs and my feelings about the deleterious effects on young people whose bodies are far more susceptible to the likely damage because of their use.

If you can't think of a good reason to persuade children and even those who are older that cannabis is a good thing to use, then it might also be wiser to avoid attempting to denigrate someone for doing a necessary job which the average person does not find dishonourable.

Do not for a moment think that I infracted you-that is not my style!

Les

Martin2005

I agree, what a pathetic and uncalled for attack.

Did you fly Vulcans Les? My mates dad flew them, he's told me some great stories from his days in the RAF.

Leslie

Yes I did, if you PM me with his name I might have known him.

Les

Lisawrx

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Whilst I often agree with you on other issues, I can't here. What we have to remember is that cannibis is a class C drug and as such is still in fact illegal. It was decriminalised, not made legal, so it's still a crime to possess, deal or smoke it. Admittedly, I think the reclassification caused a little confusion, and from watching stuff like street wars, people happily smoking on the street seemed taken aback when stopped by the police, finding out they were in fact still committing a criminal offence.

The blanket comment that use of cannibis leads onto harder drugs is just far too sweeping a statement in my mind. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I think it's more likely to do with the individual, and what their personality is like, than the drug itself. Out of people I've had experience of, some yes have also used other drugs, yet I only know one who ever moved onto heroin. The vast majority of people I have known/still know either never did any other drugs, and most don't even use cannibis anymore.

TBH, I think it was a good move to make it a class C drug, it's not legalising, but lowering punishment for it's use makes sense to me. If a person chooses to potentially risk their health by partaking, it's their choice and happens regardless of classification, but I don't think someone should go to prison for it. I'd almost go as far as to say, I'd imagine they'd have a higher chance of ending up on harder drugs from the experience of prison and mixing with some of the people in there, than merely just going about their merry business smoking the wacky baccy. Prisons are crowded enough without sending numerous people there for having a smoke.

Not all the people out there using cannibis are rough, jobless peeps adding nothing to society. Then don't forget about for example MS sufferers who use it to vastly help them, should we send them to jail, or make it so punishable, that they'd not risk using something that often greatly increases their quality of life?

_RIP_

Common sense alert!

The Zohan

The other side of that particular coin is that of it is seen as less of a problem/lower classification will this not encourage more people, especially kids to try it as it is not really dangerous or won't get you knicked and imprisioned.

smoking ordinary **** is proven dangerous for your health anyway, most cannabis is taken via inhilation with tabacco (joint) so this in itself is just not too smart is it.

If it helps MS and other types of ailments such as arthritis then get it prescribed, easy.

I know quite a few people who smoke dope who have gone onto other drugs, it is more to do with the people you mix with/your social circle as to what you take, i would say that access to dealers who will sell you other substances is increased.

Lisawrx

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So far as I'm aware, it cannot be described because funnily enough it is still illegal. Doctors can't even actually come out and say to a sufferer to use it, as that would implicate them, but from what I've heard, they will turn a blind eye when a patient says they are considering the use of cannabis.

On the other part, no I don't think a lower classification would encourage more people to use, particularly kids. I would be surprised if that made any difference, other than the confusion caused as I mentioned earlier, in that people are mistaken in thinking that because it's been reclassified it means they can openly use in public, as it is still a crime, only with a lesser punishment.

I think in the case of kids, they are more likely to do something that is in effect illegal, and remember cannibis still is. (not all kids by the way). Whether this be smoking, drinking, or taking drugs (cannabis included), we have to remember that below a certain age these are all offences, yet kids take the risk. As I laboured in my last post, cannibis is still illegal, just with a lower punishment. There are plenty of people out there who are users of far harder drugs, kids included, knowing the high risks in terms of punishment, who still choose to flout the law, so in terms of classification, I don't think that really has an impact on use.

Honestly though, would you prefer it carried a custodial sentance, and further clogged up our prisons, for what by and large is the use of a recreational drug, which may pose a threat to health after prolonged use, although that isn't even proven without shadow of a doubt?

92typeRA

you shold be running for MP ......

try Amsterdam people its great ...

_RIP_

Good grief!! Get back to me with how many people die due to vehicle accidents / roads etc compared to drugs? I say once more ffs, 'GET A GRIP'....

_RIP_

Paul, sadly like all sun readers, seems immune to balanced and reasoned debate

Far better to quote from the 'media' than from personal experience.

Everyone seems an expert on every topic these days

s70rjw

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Whilst I often agree with you on other issues, I can't here. What we have to remember is that cannibis is a class C drug and as such is still in fact illegal. It was decriminalised, not made legal, so it's still a crime to possess, deal or smoke it. Admittedly, I think the reclassification caused a little confusion, and from watching stuff like street wars, people happily smoking on the street seemed taken aback when stopped by the police, finding out they were in fact still committing a criminal offence.


It was never decriminalised. It was reclassified to Class C. Most Class C drugs are illegal, unless prescribed

Lisawrx

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Sorry, foofed up and used the wrong term. I did however stand by the fact even due to reclassification, it was still in fact illegal.

_RIP_

Mere semantics, continue with your reasoned debate.