Just got stopped by police...
13 April 2008, 11:24 PM
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no a aftermarket exhaust is not alot louder on idle than 2 B&M cats amd a rear section made by euroflo,,,,,, i know this as I SELL THE ****ING THINGS
this aint some internet no it all,,,, THIS IS WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING !, IM INCHARGE OF DEALING WITH THE ISSUES/FAULTS OF ALL THE PARTS WE GET MADE FOR US
IMPORTS also have different rules too,,,, but the bottom line is aslong as its full sealed, has the CORRECT cats fitted to it and NOT EXCESSIVLY louder than the other scoobies on the road then its road legal
considering that after 5 years most dealers stop making exhausts and even MORE dealers just buy them from my company ( or others ) due to the costs of factory systems,,,,,, and not to mention that i my company sells 300k a month worth of exhausts all of which are louder than the main dealers and i PERSONALLY answer 200 calls a day about exhausts and50% of them are to do with fitment issues,,,,,,,,,
i like to THINK i know what im talking about
whats YOUR experience on this ????
this aint some internet no it all,,,, THIS IS WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING !, IM INCHARGE OF DEALING WITH THE ISSUES/FAULTS OF ALL THE PARTS WE GET MADE FOR US
IMPORTS also have different rules too,,,, but the bottom line is aslong as its full sealed, has the CORRECT cats fitted to it and NOT EXCESSIVLY louder than the other scoobies on the road then its road legal
considering that after 5 years most dealers stop making exhausts and even MORE dealers just buy them from my company ( or others ) due to the costs of factory systems,,,,,, and not to mention that i my company sells 300k a month worth of exhausts all of which are louder than the main dealers and i PERSONALLY answer 200 calls a day about exhausts and50% of them are to do with fitment issues,,,,,,,,,
i like to THINK i know what im talking about
whats YOUR experience on this ????
His experience is just as he describes i.e. his exhaust sound was louder after decatting/sports catting. Funnily enough, mine was louder too
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13 April 2008, 11:28 PM
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BBC - Action Network - Noisy car exhausts
On reading these comments you should have your car crushed.
You boy racing, non seatbelt wearing, drug dealing yob. 
I'm to sick to death of these police ***** who fanny about while there are real criminals comitting crimes. Just think when the new age copper retires his achievement will be. This guy issued 15,000 speeding tickets. And we pay for these ****** pensions as well. And they retire early due to stress of issuing speeding tickets.
On reading these comments you should have your car crushed.
You boy racing, non seatbelt wearing, drug dealing yob. I'm to sick to death of these police ***** who fanny about while there are real criminals comitting crimes. Just think when the new age copper retires his achievement will be. This guy issued 15,000 speeding tickets. And we pay for these ****** pensions as well. And they retire early due to stress of issuing speeding tickets.
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13 April 2008, 11:31 PM
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14 April 2008, 12:07 AM
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what do they do about them, ive been stopped a few times but been lucky i guess, they make the rules up as they go along, is there any coppers on here that own a scoob and explain what is and whats not
14 April 2008, 07:41 AM
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That said - IMO, my single PPP catted Blitz exhaust isn't hat loud; especially with the bung in; and I haven't had a single person complain about it so...
If they want to me to get rid of my exhaust, they can gag children in public places.. far more obnoxious and noisy than my exhaust.
14 April 2008, 09:17 AM
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Might be worth popping over to www.5ive-0.org and having a word with one of the traffic officers to get some advice, I know some of them wotk for Thames Valley Police which covers Milton Keynes and they might be able to throw some light onto it.
Cheers
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Cheers
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14 April 2008, 10:09 AM
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Regardless of what exhaust I have on (and I am due to remove the Blitz), what surprised me was the comment from the female officer i.e "unless its a factory fit exhaust or has STi/Subaru stamped on the exhaust it's illegal".
Well I spoke to my solicitor this morning and he has advised that I should just pay the fine and let it go as it's my word against their's i.e 2 to 1 and the officers will get the benefit of the doubt however I should then write a letter stating what happened and ask for details of the law that was quoted to me.
Hehe the saga continues
14 April 2008, 10:42 AM
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Do STI make exhausts? I dont think so
My personal opinion on loud exhausts is: The government should be happy with cars like ours with loud exhausts as it stops people from not hearing you,ie children will hear you coming and wont run onto the road and get hit. Quiet cars are the dangerous ones.
14 April 2008, 11:09 AM
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So what's stopping everyone on here with aftermarket exhausts stamping their own exhaust with Subaru or STI.
It'll be easliy done and how would the police officer know otherwise?
The whole thing seems stupid to me and just makes me angry reading about it! Good luck with the appeal letter thingy.
It'll be easliy done and how would the police officer know otherwise?
The whole thing seems stupid to me and just makes me angry reading about it! Good luck with the appeal letter thingy.
14 April 2008, 11:21 AM
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14 April 2008, 11:49 AM
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Let's face it 99% of police officers are complete bellends so your tale doesn't surprise me.
The people I personally know that have joined the force have been some of the most unreliable and useless people I've ever met.
The people I personally know that have joined the force have been some of the most unreliable and useless people I've ever met.
14 April 2008, 11:57 AM
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Surely anyone with half a brain cell would have said the car was making to much noise not the driver
unless of course the driver was shouting so he could be heard over his excessively noisy car, having been told not to turn the engine off
14 April 2008, 12:39 PM
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its not loud tho so the police dont even look at my car.
What annoys me about the police complaining about loud exhausts is why do they target the consumers rather than the companies who make them? Cos they know their talkin sh$te. Also if they did manage to stop companies selling aftermarket exhausts then they would have to deal with real crime and make less money from people who love their cars and arent out causing damage.
14 April 2008, 01:52 PM
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Well next time whisper to the police then there is no way they can accuse the "DRIVER" of causing excessive noise
Surely anyone with half a brain cell would have said the car was making to much noise not the driver unless of course the driver was shouting so he could be heard over his excessively noisy car, having been told not to turn the engine off
Surely anyone with half a brain cell would have said the car was making to much noise not the driver
unless of course the driver was shouting so he could be heard over his excessively noisy car, having been told not to turn the engine off Half a brain cell indeed...
14 April 2008, 01:53 PM
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My PPP exhaust has Prodrive stamped on it, so that means I'd be stuffed, even though it an official Subaru fitted part. And as another poster pointed out, what about all the cars that aren't made any more, can you actually get a Rover exhaust????? I'd be worried if I was Kwik-fit etc. They're major dealers in illegal parts
14 April 2008, 01:59 PM
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..as for the OP's dilemma,I'd be inclined to take it on the chin and pay up.You don't want anymore bother if they find out that the cats have been removed
14 April 2008, 02:46 PM
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This country is ****ed and we live in a draconian police state where the super rich are trying to increase the divide between the have's and have nots - just have to accept it.
14 April 2008, 05:14 PM
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Well my third time now, however this time the officers were not the most hospitable people on earth.
I changed the oil and oil filter earlier today so decided I would fill the car up with fuel and put some miles on the engine with the fresh oil. Did a few laps around Milton Keynes and then made the fatal mistake of driving back home through the city centre.
I didn't realise however I was being followed by police in their unmarked Vectra, this went on for a good 3 miles. Being paranoid I thought I was being followed by some car theives so I did a few turns here and there, about 1/2 a mile from my house and I pull over into a layby, sure enough they pull over and I spot the police stop sign on their parcel shelf.
I got told to leave the car running, pop my bonnet so they could look in the engine bay, thankfully the engine bay looked standard however I was then told that police are clamping down on modified cars.. wtf?!
The female officer then told me to sit in the police car while she went over to my exhaust and did a sound check with some device. Came back and told me the exhaust was illegal so I would be getting fined £30.00 for that and if they stopped me again I would be getting fixed points.
I was being as calm as possible and answering every question, so I asked them what is legal now and I was told quite bluntly "unless the exhaust is a factory fit exhaust, has STi or Subaru stamped on it it is illegal".
So chaps that means any aftermarket exhaust is illegal regardless of how much noise it makes. I said fair play I will get the exhaust changed asap and the female officers turns around and says "I would be very surprised if you get an aftermarket exhaust that is quiet on that car"... I wanted to say look dumbass there are exhausts out there that are as quiet as factory items but thought **** it, no point getting into more trouble.
But the icing on the cake was when the male officer (who was writing out the ticket) turns around and says "It would be a fair comment to say you can't afford to drive this car otherwise you would have replaced the exhaust by now?"... LOL, what a ****, I asked him how much he earns but he wouldn't say so I quite sumgly said "I bet I earn both of your salaries combined"... haha they were not impressed.
So wtf is going on, new laws being introduced or two coppers being a little to eager at their jobs? If I am hearing this right, it is illegal to own any modified car full stop unless it's completely bone stock factory spec?
If this is the case then I am going to serious consider getting rid of the car, not worth the hassle now, can't enjoy anything in this ****ed up country anymore unless you drive a 2 by 2 tin box with a generic badge.
I changed the oil and oil filter earlier today so decided I would fill the car up with fuel and put some miles on the engine with the fresh oil. Did a few laps around Milton Keynes and then made the fatal mistake of driving back home through the city centre.
I didn't realise however I was being followed by police in their unmarked Vectra, this went on for a good 3 miles. Being paranoid I thought I was being followed by some car theives so I did a few turns here and there, about 1/2 a mile from my house and I pull over into a layby, sure enough they pull over and I spot the police stop sign on their parcel shelf.
I got told to leave the car running, pop my bonnet so they could look in the engine bay, thankfully the engine bay looked standard however I was then told that police are clamping down on modified cars.. wtf?!
The female officer then told me to sit in the police car while she went over to my exhaust and did a sound check with some device. Came back and told me the exhaust was illegal so I would be getting fined £30.00 for that and if they stopped me again I would be getting fixed points.
I was being as calm as possible and answering every question, so I asked them what is legal now and I was told quite bluntly "unless the exhaust is a factory fit exhaust, has STi or Subaru stamped on it it is illegal".
So chaps that means any aftermarket exhaust is illegal regardless of how much noise it makes. I said fair play I will get the exhaust changed asap and the female officers turns around and says "I would be very surprised if you get an aftermarket exhaust that is quiet on that car"... I wanted to say look dumbass there are exhausts out there that are as quiet as factory items but thought **** it, no point getting into more trouble.
But the icing on the cake was when the male officer (who was writing out the ticket) turns around and says "It would be a fair comment to say you can't afford to drive this car otherwise you would have replaced the exhaust by now?"... LOL, what a ****, I asked him how much he earns but he wouldn't say so I quite sumgly said "I bet I earn both of your salaries combined"... haha they were not impressed.
So wtf is going on, new laws being introduced or two coppers being a little to eager at their jobs? If I am hearing this right, it is illegal to own any modified car full stop unless it's completely bone stock factory spec?
If this is the case then I am going to serious consider getting rid of the car, not worth the hassle now, can't enjoy anything in this ****ed up country anymore unless you drive a 2 by 2 tin box with a generic badge.
I'd consider writing to their chief superintendent!
And getting STi stamped on your exhaust!
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14 April 2008, 11:19 PM
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Have taken some advice on this matter for what it's worth.
1) All aftermarket exhausts are NOT technically illegal. Provided exhaust is specifically manufactured for vehicle for UK road use and is 'e' marked or similar recognised marking and does not have 'not for road use' as some bike exhausts, then no problems.
2) Road vehicle construction and use regulations cover noise levels which have to be tested by trained personnel in a drive by test at a special facility.
3) Excessive noise offence as stated is generally used for anti-social behaviour type matters, loud stereos, stupid horns, sitting and revving engines in quiet cul-de-sacs, etc.
Under the circumstances, if it went to court then the officers would be called upon to justify their decision and this would be very objective, unfortunately if it goes against you, then a £30 fine gets a lot more expensive....
if already paid, then letter of complaint about the two officers concerned direct to the Chief Superintendent of their division might be an idea, regarding their attitude if nothing else.
1) All aftermarket exhausts are NOT technically illegal. Provided exhaust is specifically manufactured for vehicle for UK road use and is 'e' marked or similar recognised marking and does not have 'not for road use' as some bike exhausts, then no problems.
2) Road vehicle construction and use regulations cover noise levels which have to be tested by trained personnel in a drive by test at a special facility.
3) Excessive noise offence as stated is generally used for anti-social behaviour type matters, loud stereos, stupid horns, sitting and revving engines in quiet cul-de-sacs, etc.
Under the circumstances, if it went to court then the officers would be called upon to justify their decision and this would be very objective, unfortunately if it goes against you, then a £30 fine gets a lot more expensive....
if already paid, then letter of complaint about the two officers concerned direct to the Chief Superintendent of their division might be an idea, regarding their attitude if nothing else.
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Have taken some advice on this matter for what it's worth.
1) All aftermarket exhausts are NOT technically illegal. Provided exhaust is specifically manufactured for vehicle for UK road use and is 'e' marked or similar recognised marking and does not have 'not for road use' as some bike exhausts, then no problems.
2) Road vehicle construction and use regulations cover noise levels which have to be tested by trained personnel in a drive by test at a special facility.
3) Excessive noise offence as stated is generally used for anti-social behaviour type matters, loud stereos, stupid horns, sitting and revving engines in quiet cul-de-sacs, etc.
Under the circumstances, if it went to court then the officers would be called upon to justify their decision and this would be very objective, unfortunately if it goes against you, then a £30 fine gets a lot more expensive....
if already paid, then letter of complaint about the two officers concerned direct to the Chief Superintendent of their division might be an idea, regarding their attitude if nothing else.
1) All aftermarket exhausts are NOT technically illegal. Provided exhaust is specifically manufactured for vehicle for UK road use and is 'e' marked or similar recognised marking and does not have 'not for road use' as some bike exhausts, then no problems.
2) Road vehicle construction and use regulations cover noise levels which have to be tested by trained personnel in a drive by test at a special facility.
3) Excessive noise offence as stated is generally used for anti-social behaviour type matters, loud stereos, stupid horns, sitting and revving engines in quiet cul-de-sacs, etc.
Under the circumstances, if it went to court then the officers would be called upon to justify their decision and this would be very objective, unfortunately if it goes against you, then a £30 fine gets a lot more expensive....
if already paid, then letter of complaint about the two officers concerned direct to the Chief Superintendent of their division might be an idea, regarding their attitude if nothing else.
I recall a thread a while back where a chap was stopped with a Prodrive exhaust and told that it was not legal as it was not manufactured by Subaru. I don't recall what the outcome was, but it was serious enough for Prodrive to step in and ask for clarification IIRC
Ns04