Never had an accident in 76 years of motoring...
15 April 2008, 03:48 PM
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The guys who 993 was damaged has posted on Pistonheads about this one
Two 911s wrecked by pensioner.....
Two 911s wrecked by pensioner.....
15 April 2008, 03:57 PM
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...Blah blah, usual old persons twaddle et cetera et cetera....
BBC NEWS | Wales | OAP's £60k Porsche crash escape
Doh.
Blatantly didn't have a clue what was going on or about anything around him.
Then the garage owner says he doesn't care about the cars...maybe the owners have something to say about that!?!
Get them off the roads! 90 years old is not an age to be driving about, even in a Fiesta. .
BBC NEWS | Wales | OAP's £60k Porsche crash escape
Doh.
Blatantly didn't have a clue what was going on or about anything around him.
Then the garage owner says he doesn't care about the cars...maybe the owners have something to say about that!?!
Get them off the roads! 90 years old is not an age to be driving about, even in a Fiesta. .
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15 April 2008, 06:18 PM
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I don't think there should be a full retest for everyone of all ages. I would say there should be compulsory eye sight tests every few years for all drivers.
15 April 2008, 06:20 PM
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The response of the bloke who owned the 993 - Top bloke! Nice garage owner by the sounds of it too!
I realised that this had made some of the local papers but not the mail. What an over exaggerated pile of crap furious.
Mine is the silver 993 and with the exception of some cosmetic work to the rear wing a new rear screen and engine cover that's just about it. Hardly what you'd call extensive repairs (god bless german pig iron smile)
I talked to the body shop guy this afternoon, and the only reason the 964 has been written off is because the price of the new parts for the convertible roof.
The total of £60k is also taking into account the damaged gates, the whole in the wall where the 964 was pushed through (the wall had also cracked from top to bottom in 3 places), and the mini camper van he hit outside the gate (this is probably going to be written off too).
As for Dave not caring about the cars, that's utter rubbish too. He was absolutely gutted when i arrived and was incredibly apologetic. He explained everything that had happened (which i admit was quite an unbelievable story) and assured me he would sort everything out. I had a courtesy car provided by his insurance in less than 24 hours and he has continually kept me up to date.
Please excuse my obvious annoyance but in my opinion this has not been reported well.
Happy days,
FG
I realised that this had made some of the local papers but not the mail. What an over exaggerated pile of crap furious.
Mine is the silver 993 and with the exception of some cosmetic work to the rear wing a new rear screen and engine cover that's just about it. Hardly what you'd call extensive repairs (god bless german pig iron smile)
I talked to the body shop guy this afternoon, and the only reason the 964 has been written off is because the price of the new parts for the convertible roof.
The total of £60k is also taking into account the damaged gates, the whole in the wall where the 964 was pushed through (the wall had also cracked from top to bottom in 3 places), and the mini camper van he hit outside the gate (this is probably going to be written off too).
As for Dave not caring about the cars, that's utter rubbish too. He was absolutely gutted when i arrived and was incredibly apologetic. He explained everything that had happened (which i admit was quite an unbelievable story) and assured me he would sort everything out. I had a courtesy car provided by his insurance in less than 24 hours and he has continually kept me up to date.
Please excuse my obvious annoyance but in my opinion this has not been reported well.
Happy days,
FG
15 April 2008, 08:26 PM
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they say young drivers are bad but at least they have the reactions to stop . oldies would run strait over u and wouldnt even notice .
i work next to a goldwing shop and one elderly customer of my shop reversed into there display row of bikes (7 in all) when he was leaving my shop knocking 4 of them over , he then continued to pin one against the concrete post and then drove off . the chap from the bike shop chased after him and tried to get his attention by banging on his window at the lights outside our shops , the old chap shat himself and drove strait into the car in front of his . when all was calmed down he said he didnt even know that he had hit the bikes WHAT!!! (he was 87 years old , car was a D reg metro )
the damage was 10000 quid to the bikes and 1500 to the car he hit .
second run in with an oldie was when i was directing this old chap into a space (tyre bay) goin "slowly" "slowly" "ok stop" ...... "STOP" "STOP"....."SSSTTOOOOOPPPP" he panicked foot slipped off the clutch and the car carrerred forward pinning me , my water tank, 2 of my brand new jacks ,and a metal shelving unit to a wall . luckily i dived out of the way before i got proper squished and landed in a pool of water while the car was still at full revs clutch smoking up against the wall with the chap sitting in it looking helpless!!! i had to grab the keys out of the ignitionto stop it . the chap said i dunno what happened ??? (he was 84) i was lucky not to be broken up against the wall , and i still se him driving around !!!!!
rant ove
i work next to a goldwing shop and one elderly customer of my shop reversed into there display row of bikes (7 in all) when he was leaving my shop knocking 4 of them over , he then continued to pin one against the concrete post and then drove off . the chap from the bike shop chased after him and tried to get his attention by banging on his window at the lights outside our shops , the old chap shat himself and drove strait into the car in front of his . when all was calmed down he said he didnt even know that he had hit the bikes WHAT!!! (he was 87 years old , car was a D reg metro )
the damage was 10000 quid to the bikes and 1500 to the car he hit .
second run in with an oldie was when i was directing this old chap into a space (tyre bay) goin "slowly" "slowly" "ok stop" ...... "STOP" "STOP"....."SSSTTOOOOOPPPP" he panicked foot slipped off the clutch and the car carrerred forward pinning me , my water tank, 2 of my brand new jacks ,and a metal shelving unit to a wall . luckily i dived out of the way before i got proper squished and landed in a pool of water while the car was still at full revs clutch smoking up against the wall with the chap sitting in it looking helpless!!! i had to grab the keys out of the ignitionto stop it . the chap said i dunno what happened ??? (he was 84) i was lucky not to be broken up against the wall , and i still se him driving around !!!!!
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15 April 2008, 08:37 PM
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What a ridiculous comment 
Do you actually know any 70 year olds? It really isn't that old, you wait until you get there, you'll still feel like a young man despite having a few creaks! My Dad is 70 next year and has just bought his 4th Scoob, an 08 STi. The only thing stopping him driving like he did 30 years ago are the speed cameras. He is still in full control of his bladder too.
Do you actually know any 70 year olds? It really isn't that old, you wait until you get there, you'll still feel like a young man despite having a few creaks! My Dad is 70 next year and has just bought his 4th Scoob, an 08 STi. The only thing stopping him driving like he did 30 years ago are the speed cameras. He is still in full control of his bladder too.
still trying to convince my 70 year old dad to buy a scooby. he says it scares him, but i know he loves driving my car drives like he stole it at times aswell the old duffer. he even managed a little drift on a roundabout a few weeks back, mind you i was ******* around with the diff. i think we both lost a little control of our bladders for a second there
15 April 2008, 09:12 PM
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What a ridiculous comment
Do you actually know any 70 year olds? It really isn't that old, you wait until you get there, you'll still feel like a young man despite having a few creaks! My Dad is 70 next year and has just bought his 4th Scoob, an 08 STi. The only thing stopping him driving like he did 30 years ago are the speed cameras. He is still in full control of his bladder too.
Do you actually know any 70 year olds? It really isn't that old, you wait until you get there, you'll still feel like a young man despite having a few creaks! My Dad is 70 next year and has just bought his 4th Scoob, an 08 STi. The only thing stopping him driving like he did 30 years ago are the speed cameras. He is still in full control of his bladder too.
You cant deny that alot of older people arent like that though. some people just get more and more cautious as life goes on, to the point where they are scared, or dont understand anything that could be potentially dangerous!
15 April 2008, 10:01 PM
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Well said Leslie, I agree. 
I think we should make certain allowances for our older drivers. Even though the roads are very busy with people driving about trying to make ends meet we certainly need to remember that older people were here first. It's a bit like steam giving way to sail boats as far as I'm concerned. Long live the older drivers, I certainly want to be old one day
I think we should make certain allowances for our older drivers. Even though the roads are very busy with people driving about trying to make ends meet we certainly need to remember that older people were here first. It's a bit like steam giving way to sail boats as far as I'm concerned. Long live the older drivers, I certainly want to be old one day
It is disappointing to see the ageism on this thread. As Pete said, it is his first accident in 76 years which is a lot more than a large number of young drivers could say. He has decided to stop driving anyway.
Those of you who want to see older drivers banned should think on to when you get older and although you can still drive safely you get automatically taken off the road because you keep shouting for it now. You wont feel so happy then believe me.
It really is not so difficult to make allowances for an older driver-all it takes is a little patience.
Do you think that young drivers should also be banned because they can't be trusted to obey the rules of the road and because they have accidents too?
Les
Those of you who want to see older drivers banned should think on to when you get older and although you can still drive safely you get automatically taken off the road because you keep shouting for it now. You wont feel so happy then believe me.
It really is not so difficult to make allowances for an older driver-all it takes is a little patience.
Do you think that young drivers should also be banned because they can't be trusted to obey the rules of the road and because they have accidents too?
Les
15 April 2008, 10:17 PM
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and on our local motorway, the m27 a lot of them were foreign truck drivers...and they are scary...
16 April 2008, 08:48 AM
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second run in with an oldie was when i was directing this old chap into a space (tyre bay) goin "slowly" "slowly" "ok stop" ...... "STOP" "STOP"....."SSSTTOOOOOPPPP" he panicked foot slipped off the clutch and the car carrerred forward pinning me , my water tank, 2 of my brand new jacks ,and a metal shelving unit to a wall . luckily i dived out of the way before i got proper squished and landed in a pool of water while the car was still at full revs clutch smoking up against the wall with the chap sitting in it looking helpless!!! i had to grab the keys out of the ignitionto stop it . the chap said i dunno what happened ??? (he was 84) i was lucky not to be broken up against the wall , and i still se him driving around !!!!!
rant ove
mondays seam to be the worst, assume they get pensions and all come in for a cheap wash.
i have seen them crashing into each other, driving over my large flower pots, crashing into massive sign posts (10foot tall) crashing into gazebos, driving into the wash from the exit, even when cars are coming towards them, getting out the car while its inside the machine to adjust things, which causes the machine to attempt to rip off a car door, trying to drive in sideways (still cant work this one out myself) driving into the wash at full speed, leaving cars in gear, selecting reverse instead of neutral then shooting backwards into somebody else
and every time its our fault for not telling them properly
i just ended up putting 8 cameras up in total, just to cover my back as they end up causing ****loads of damage, of them even hit the carwash brushes so hard (left car in auto gear and pressed throttle
) they bent back on themselves, the electric motors on the top came down and caved in the blokes roof + sunroof 
apperntly the machine malfunctioned that time and threw him into the wash at high speed (even tho it had not started up yet)
2 weeks back a bloke left his cars breaks on, even when i told him top read the large light up sign saying "brakes off"
i had to emergency stop the machine and run in and knock on his window
"who the **** do you think you are, shouting stuff from outside and knocking on my window"
"i was shouting BRAKES OFF"
"MY ****EN BRAKES ARE OFF"
"is your handbrake on"
"YES"
i have to admit i lost my rag at this point, i had a **** day,
"you just got yourself barred you stupid old ****"
he went from being this angry old man who thought he could give me ****, to somebody who looked rather scared "you cant say that" "i ****en can, i say who does or does not go through my wash, dont ever ****en come back you stupid, angry piece of ****"
i felt better after that it has to be said
16 April 2008, 08:57 AM
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not on a conveyour system, when a large light up sign (even upgraded the bulbs from 25 watt to 40watt to help the "problem") tells you to take your brakes off
and especialy when somebody points out the large well lit sign when you first enter onto the track
you are probably thinking about a garage style rollover wash where you park up and the machine travels around your car?
and especialy when somebody points out the large well lit sign when you first enter onto the track
you are probably thinking about a garage style rollover wash where you park up and the machine travels around your car?
16 April 2008, 10:01 AM
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you would think sitting watching the car in front go in via a conveyor chain would help them understand, but hey, who am i to argue lol
have one regular, in like clockwork every week, leaves handbrake on every week
16 April 2008, 11:14 AM
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I really hope that was not pointed at me, I am not being ageist, simply telling the facts of what I have seen. Yep, we see lots on kids driving like fools too, however that is not due to the slowing of their reactions of bad vision or senility. Yep the young drivers need to continue to be monitored by the cops, and duly reprimanded or punished when they take the mick. The problem is that as I previously said, the numbers of persons in this country over say 60 is increasing loads due to people living longer and we are a superaged country pretty much. There appears to be nothing decent in place to look after this issue. There are cruddy drivers of all ages and I'm not sure how some get their licenses but the issue of drivers who may be unfit to drive due to age related issues (or due to the law having changed so much since they passed) does need attention. I wasn't making up the oldies driving the wrong way round roundabouts, I watched one guy do it whilst there was a cop car coming the other way who was trying to stop the old fella and had his blues'n'twos on but he was oblivious and kept on going, I really do see this sort of thing all the time, and I don't even do that many miles!
No not all old peeps should be banned, that's just dumb. There are plenty of the older generation who drive very well, as there are also plenty of young drivers who drive well.
Something I touched on briefly was the problem of the older generation drink driving, I also see this pretty much every week by lots of different culprits in the pubs I go to, and it appears to matter less to those over retirement age (also there is still the problem of young people doing it too). I've watched many of them sit in a pub from lunchtime until 7 in the evening and then hop in the car and weave their way down the road home. It seems as though the police are less willing to pull over the old boys/dears and give them a telling too for fear of them having a heart attack or something
No not all old peeps should be banned, that's just dumb. There are plenty of the older generation who drive very well, as there are also plenty of young drivers who drive well.
Something I touched on briefly was the problem of the older generation drink driving, I also see this pretty much every week by lots of different culprits in the pubs I go to, and it appears to matter less to those over retirement age (also there is still the problem of young people doing it too). I've watched many of them sit in a pub from lunchtime until 7 in the evening and then hop in the car and weave their way down the road home. It seems as though the police are less willing to pull over the old boys/dears and give them a telling too for fear of them having a heart attack or something
I do agree that if a person is unfit to drive that he should not be doing so of course. That could however also be aimed at young drivers who are psychologically dangerous in a car because they feel they have the right to drive just how they want without regard for other road users, and because they do not have the skills that they think they have they are a danger to anyone else on the road. Not only that, but because they tend to drive at high speeds they will have a far more serious accident when it eventually happens. Its called "lack of responsibilty"!
The ageist remark was aimed at people like that oaf WRX something or other who said that all drivers over 70 should be banned from the road. That is a typically selfish attitude as well as being totally inaccurate. And should that be the case how will you feel at that age when you might still be perfectly capable of driving anyway?
For your information I personally know a good few 70+ year olds who would undoubtedly leave you for dead on any track you would like to nominate and I also know a 74 year old who is still able to make the younger drivers look as though they are wasting their time during track races.
Very stupid to shoot your mouth off like that laddie!
Les
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16 April 2008, 12:07 PM
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No it was aimed at you in particular, I agreed with quite a bit of what you said anyway.
I do agree that if a person is unfit to drive that he should not be doing so of course. That could however also be aimed at young drivers who are psychologically dangerous in a car because they feel they have the right to drive just how they want without regard for other road users, and because they do not have the skills that they think they have they are a danger to anyone else on the road. Not only that, but because they tend to drive at high speeds they will have a far more serious accident when it eventually happens. Its called "lack of responsibilty"!
The ageist remark was aimed at people like that oaf WRX something or other who said that all drivers over 70 should be banned from the road. That is a typically selfish attitude as well as being totally inaccurate. And should that be the case how will you feel at that age when you might still be perfectly capable of driving anyway?
For your information I personally know a good few 70+ year olds who would undoubtedly leave you for dead on any track you would like to nominate and I also know a 74 year old who is still able to make the younger drivers look as though they are wasting their time during track races.
Very stupid to shoot your mouth off like that laddie!
Les
I do agree that if a person is unfit to drive that he should not be doing so of course. That could however also be aimed at young drivers who are psychologically dangerous in a car because they feel they have the right to drive just how they want without regard for other road users, and because they do not have the skills that they think they have they are a danger to anyone else on the road. Not only that, but because they tend to drive at high speeds they will have a far more serious accident when it eventually happens. Its called "lack of responsibilty"!
The ageist remark was aimed at people like that oaf WRX something or other who said that all drivers over 70 should be banned from the road. That is a typically selfish attitude as well as being totally inaccurate. And should that be the case how will you feel at that age when you might still be perfectly capable of driving anyway?
For your information I personally know a good few 70+ year olds who would undoubtedly leave you for dead on any track you would like to nominate and I also know a 74 year old who is still able to make the younger drivers look as though they are wasting their time during track races.
Very stupid to shoot your mouth off like that laddie!
Les
I too know and talk to plenty of older drivers who are perfectly fine on the roads. I frequently talk to our retired members and a while back was having a chat with one of the retired members in his seventies who had been refused insurance for his awesome sounding Triumph motorbike that he had, although he was perfectly able to drive. It sounded farcical that the insurers only covered up to a certain age, considering the number of older people on the roads.
My point was that, rather than having no respect for the older generation and simply having a go at them and taking away their rights, it seems better that we just try and make sure the drivers on our roads are physically and mentally able to use them (this could apply to any age), but there doesn't appear to be a system in place for persons of an older age who may have issues that do not usually occur in other generations. It's well known that younger drivers are a risk, hence the higher insurance and them being pulled over a lot/driving like fools. I just think that there are quite a few older drivers who fall into the risk category as there are no tests in place to evaluate competency in order to protect them and others.
On the youth/new drivers thing, I reckon that there should be similar power limts in cars that they've had on bikes, e.g. not being able to drive anything with more than maybe 60-100bhp which would at least help a bit but unfortunately the issue is that you don't need a fast powerful car to drive too quickly for the road etc. A tricky one.
Gotta say though, fairplay to the fella who bumped into the Porsches, he's got the sense and responsible nature to hang up his driving gloves for good, certainly a shame for him though.
Personally, I don't think I will make it to my 70's, lol, but if I did make it that far and was still able to drive well then I'd want there to be a test to show that I can do so competently and prove it to others.
Then again, this all assumes that there will be the same sort of driving going on as nowadays, in about 40 years time we may all be on hover-skateboards wearing jackets in awesome dayglo colours that can dry you off if caught in a shower
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