Sonic'

I think I worded that bit wrong

This is what I meant with the 3 pills

intent to supply
It doesn't take much to be suspected of possession with intent to supply. Passing drugs to your friends even for no money is considered supply.

We spoke to a detective sergeant on a local district drugs unit in the north of England, who gave us a rough guide as to the amounts that would be sufficient to suspect possession with intent:

amphetamines "a couple of grams"
cannabis "a couple of ounces"
cocaine "a small quantity - one gram"
ecstasy "more than two pills"
heroin "1/16th oz"
LSD "a couple of tabs"
magic mushrooms "don't think we'd really bother"

Turbohot

I know some people who use drugs for recreation. And yes, some of them have lucrative careers/responsible jobs too. I don't admire the use of any kind of drug for recreation; alcohol included. Sounds boring, dunnit? But, I do understand the "winding down" process for some with a pint or two. I occasionally drink myself when I am out or in. I started to drink for social reasons. But never got tempted to drugs. So, not so much against the moderate intake of alcohol, but other drugs including marijuana are totally unnecessary IMO. Why have fun and not remember it, eh? And, why have fun in a state of the false sense of wellbeing, unless your confidence is rock-bottom? Now that IS the issue with some who do take drugs while they socialise. But the more one starts falling into the trap of this sort of relaxation and recreation, the more it takes you down, unfortunately. I can't stop those grown up people, but they are very aware of the fact that I don't appreciate this form of recreation i.e. drugs and my reasons for disliking it.

Coke has been glorified by mega stars, models, TV personalities intake as well. Not really necessary to have a good time IMO.

MikeCardiff

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Would rather have a cup of tea and a couple of cigarettes to be honest. I did go through an experimental phase when I was much younger, and had a go at pretty much anything that was there to get out of it. My problem was always that my body seems to have a high tolerance to drugs ( if I go to the dentist I need 5 shots before my mouth starts to go numb ! ) so I would always need a lot of whatever it was to get any effect, and as I was skint at the time I could rarely afford to take lots of stuff regularly.

Had I had loads of money, I'm sure I would have ended up wrecked most of the time though.

A cautionary tale though for people who think just having the odd bit at the weekend is fine. Drugs can effect peoples mental health, and in a lot of cases this can happen very quickly after having taken the same drugs before with no problems. It also doesnt only happen to 'drug addicts' or people with a large habit, it can also hit occasional users.

My younger cousin got quite into regular dope smoking ( which lots of people will tell you is a safe drug ) with the odd harder things now and again.

He's now in sheltered housing as his parents couldnt cope with him at home anymore ( things like wandering off in the middle of the night leaving the front door open, and getting messages from the TV set ). He's only in his mid twenties and is never going to be able to work again because of the mental problems he has now. Even with medication its unlikely he will ever be able to live a normal life, so he's pretty much screwed for the next 40 or 50 years.

StickyMicky

used to really abuse E when i was a young lad and going to raves and stuff, sometimes taking up to 13 tablets in one night also tried speed a few times

this was when i was 16/17 years old, looking back it was more then a bit stupid

had a good time, all my mates did the same, then i simply just grew up and stopped, now i look down on drug taking in a big way, i think its a bit pathetic and scummy, but you just have to let people get on with it.

i would rather buy a crate of beer and get pissed nowadays to be honest

never touched coke, i think anything you have to inject or snort is just downright pikey as **** to be honest, i was talking to a coke head mate once, and he is rabbiting on about how glamorous coke is, completely feckin deluded, he is standing there telling me its what the rich people do, while his nose is bleeding PMSL

my mates that "do coke" are the ones i used to take E with years ago, they are stuck in the same old rut, working for low pay, simply to get smashed on a weekend on drugs, going to the same old house parties, getting wasted and still trying to pretend they are 17 years old, its all a bit silly really isnt it

i have never smoked dope, i hate smoking, but i dont mind munching a few columbian mushrooms in amsterdam (like i will be next month )

MikeCardiff

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Simple truth is that coke isnt that good ( unless you are getting some really high grade 95% Colombian direct stuff ) - its a w4nkers drug taken by social climbers with too much spare cash, or people who think they need it as part of their 'lifestyle'.

StickyMicky

i did

i freaked out bigstyle, i had not had anything for 6 months either

eyeballs popping out my arms while i was trying to shower made me feel a bit scared

another time i started freaking out while outside my old girl friends house while dropping her off and started seeing shadoy figures in the corners of my eye creeping up on the car (welcome to the shaddow people)

not had anything like this for about 10 years now, thankfully

StickyMicky

or council estate wannabes who are "rich" and drive cossy/early scoob/x5 diesel ran on cherry diesel



yes i do know coke heads will all 3 cars

myblackwrx

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A major problem with drugs is that you never really know what they've got in them or what they've been cut with.

StickyMicky

my last ever clubbing session, i was going to do one last proper all nighter, and then give them up for good, i had not been clubbing for 12 months previous, i was sick of the whole thing, but figured i would do one last event for old times sake, and i got got caught with 5 pills simple caution and i was released out with no issues.

lozgti

I think even to want to experiment is odd.

Always strikes me as a really creepy, seedy world.Be it the bedsit injectors or the snort it through a gold straw brigade

SiPie

In many people it is perfectly ok

Others simply have different wiring in the old brain

Bit like Russian Roulette or crossing the road with your eyes shut and an i-pod on.......You may get lucky, or maybe not

Si

StickyMicky

how about a legal product?

something like salvia or until recently, magic mushrooms ?
i think trying these kinds of things can open your mind a lot!
i still feel that i came away a better person after trying LSD (only did it once, that was enough)

lozgti

Think it is just my mindset.

I would be just too concerned about what might happen to me if I tried anything!

pete higham

no you dont

EddScott

The thing is whether its alcohol, paracetemol or cocaine, people will react differently.

Personally, I've never been more out of control after drinking than any other drug I've ever taken (a few in my yoof) I'm not a drinker and get drunk quickly. I find a little something actually keeps my head together and I don't become a drunken fool.

The quality in this country I find is appaling and I won't waste £50 or whatever on coke only to discover its baking powder! Only time I'll ever take anything these days if I'm out to stop me feeling really drunk (and perfectly aware not to drive or start a fight etc etc) or when the Mrs and I are feeling frisky and fancy an all nighter

The Chief

Your the exception

ScoobLou

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Thanks T5OLF this is exactly what I was asking. I'm just concerned for my mate so just wanted some feedback.

EddScott

In that case no. For most people its unlikely to do lasting damage. No more than occasional drinking or a light smoker

You can even take a bit of brown without becoming a raging junkie. Some people can actually restrict their intake and therefore function perfectly normal yet still have a habit.

ScoobLou

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Ah ok.

They have never tried to push it on to me or other mates who don't dabble in it which I respect.

As I say you wouldn't know they did it, I just care for my mates and wouldn't want to see them any harm.

T5OLF

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Just keep an eye on them if it's just a Saturday night thing then don't worry - most people grow out of it. Having a baby works wonders !! Never touched anything 6 months before we started trying and I guess I never will again. Like I said you grow out of it.

Norman D. Landing

Ah, sweet sweet hypocrisy

You do realise that alcohol is a drug right

myblackwrx

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But that's legal so perfectly fine

EddScott

Legal enough to cause more harm, damage and cost to the UK than any illegal drug you can think of.

SetoN

It all depends on the strength of character of the drug user.

Ive got a mate that ive known all my life, lost touch with him for a few years and he mixed with some drug users/dealers who be-friended him and he started smoking weed and taking coke. This went on for a while untill he ended up in hospital with chest pains. His heart had grown and had become weak. He was only 19. He put his family through alot as he was very ill and he came out thinking he was never going to put anyone though that again.
Anyway almost 2 years on, his so called 'friends' still use peer presure to make him buy weed. Hes lost in his own little world 24-7. He lies contantly thinking everybody belives him. He bounces on the spot and cant stay still. You cant have a normal coversation with him, he says he will quit every week, almost like he cant remember telling you the same thing last week and this time im going to actaully belive him. The guys a mess and has a good future working for his dad if he gets his act together.
I use to think weed was halmless, but it has serious effects.


On the other hand, ive a group of student mates who i go out with at the weekends who take E's and pure MDMA for the clubbing scene. I dont take anything and they know never to ask me. I last till 5am dancin, then move on to a house party or another club. I can usually last till 8am drug free before my steam runs out. They have a lot of respect for me

However i somtimes feel like im the fool at the end of the night, after spending £40 on drinks, while they left home with £10 for a bottle of water and a kebab

They have no side effects from what i can see. Have no cravings during the week.

pete higham

correct

really!! thats me fcuked then and i have smoked it for over 12 years and it doesnt seem to affect me *twitch*

i dont drink though and it is my only poision



if they had taken a substance to go to town with i cant see them eating a kebab!! or anything for that matter

SetoN

Even cheaper then Your right its mainly just me whos a bit peckish at the end of the night.

Ive seen you at the meets Pete, you seem perfectly normal.....

just kiddin

Leslie

Whatever anyone says about it being alright just to try a little bit of it, it really is a dangerous game. I am very grateful that I was never tempted to get into that because I always felt that I wanted to stay in control of myself and never felt the need to artificially boost my own character at a party etc. I have to admit that I did get hooked on tobacco not knowing the dangers at the time and well remember how difficult it was to Kick that. I like a drink as much as the next man but luckily don't feel the need to overdo it.

I personally would not go near to any class C to A drugs since it is so easy to get hooked and they are very bad for you anyway, trouble is you don't realise the problems until it is too late. Like tobacco I suppose. Like others on here I have seen people's lives totally ruined and it is just not worth the candle.

Les

SiPie

I think it helps if people try and see weed as an exagerator/magnifier of underlying views/emotions/feelings....

Hence why colours/art/music/feelings appear enhanced/more interesting or more vivid a lot of the time when stoned......

The downside is that it's also magnifying any other pre-exisiting emotional cracks that exist and certainly when long term use is concerned, it messes with the brain's wiring, the brain chemically gets lazy and the neurotransmitters can stop firing, hence no 'happy juice seratonin' is being made and the brain depends on it's supply of THC from weed to keep it (roughly) on a level....

Trust me on the above (and various shrinks from the Andrew Duncan Clinic in Edinburgh whose care I have spent many informative hours in )

I'm neither for nor against weed but people have to be aware that people pre-disposed to any psychological problems may end up in serious trouble

T5OLF

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Sorry Les but I think you are wrong, more people get addicted to **** than drugs. People who start smoking are hooked after just a few. Yes a few people will get hooked on drugs but 99% of people will just take them at weekends and have fun. As for artificially boosting your character at a party??? I think you will find that is the last thing on peoples minds.


Scare mongering via the papers/news/old wives tales springs to mind when I read your comments.