Originally Posted by Blueblaster

Ah excellent. Mr Professional Driver is back. When you said professional I thought you meant police or perhaps some kind of instructor or even a amateur racing driver. I did have my doubts when you told me to "get off the ****ing road" and it seems they were realised as what you really meant to say what you have spent the 17 years trucking up and down motorways in your lorry.

You said cars travelling at 50-60mph are a danger because lorries have to pull out to overtake them. Given you have just told me that I must be wrong for stating that a couple of lorries every month overtake me doing 65mph because they can only do 56mph then those cars doing 56-60mph are not a problem because they will never be caught will they? Or could it be that some lorries along with most of the people telling me I am talking rubbish might be breaking the law?

Now, I suggested 25% below the speed limit is not unreasonable in a 60mph limit. Given everyone seems keen to extrapolate that statement and apply it to every type of road in order to discredit me I'll run with it for a moment. 25% under the 70mph limit is 52.5mph. Therefore according to you the fastest any lorry will close down even the slowest car using my formula is 2.5 miles every hour. That's hardly like two fighter jets on a constant bearing now is it? Just just in case I'll be sure to watch out for the hoards of evil drivers travelling between 52.5mph and 55mph if I'm ever driving a lorry. I won't bother looking out for all the other motorists doing 71mph+, especially those driving a subaru because they're obviously driving gods and should be given free access to all public roads and be allowed to drive as they please.

People regularly moan on this site about how motoring is becoming less and less fun in this country. When you read what other people write it is not hard to see why. Essentially, the general view is that most people think they should basically be able to do whatever they like on A/B roads and motorways and so long as they don't crash that is justification enough for their actions. In the end the very people who love driving are going to be the ones who put the final nail in the coffin because, as my posts have shown, they have no regard for the law. And in the end the law will win because it will just get tighter and tighter until we have a little black box sitting in our boot sending details of our every movement back to the government so they can fine us. You're on borrowed time, but you'll never change until you're foced to. Fools

Originally Posted by Blueblaster

Right, back from Sainsbury's....

I'll try to answer every question, but I might miss one or two by accident. I'll sure someone will remind me if I do .

Stevebt, I am sorry but I don't believe you. No one in their right mind would overtake a marked police car on a single carriageway and squeeze into the space in front of him. No way.

Stevebt, there is no way your wife failed her driving test for doing 60mph and not overtaking. It might have been the final minor error that cost her on a totting up basis or perhaps it was just another example of how terrified she was behind the wheel, but on its own you would not fail for that.

Bish667, I drive a new Civic diesel. Previously a MY05 STI and a CTR. Also on driving tests, if you had been failed for driving 28/29mph in a 30mph zone you would have won an appeal in a flash. There must have been something else going on as well.

Chocolate_o_brian the answers would be
30mph
would depend on the exact road
55-60mph
55-60mph
55-60mph
I drive for economy and road conditions not because I'm scared. Current Blueblaster land speed record is 152mph in the STI in Germany enroute to Italy - didn't last long because it was using so much fuel.

Now, everyone seems to think I am anti speed. I am not. The original poster asked why other motorists get annoyed when he picks them off one by one as he advances past a queue of traffic. I have stated that it is because there probably isn't room to do so and his actions make it at best uncomfortable for the other drivers. I have never said he shouldn't stick his foot down at an appropriate moment and blast past the lot of them in one go. I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is bobbing in and out of a queue of traffic in the belief that just because you have the pace to pass the car in front you have the right to overtake. You don't. You assess the space available and you make your manoeuvre. A successful overtaking manoeuvre involves not disrupting the progress of any other vehicle.


I'd love to know what car everyone else drives who has replied to this thread. It is only when you drive a runofthemill car that you realise that some of the speeds you were travelling at in your performance car were not such a great idea after all. Such cars have so much performance that they give the driver false confidence. And I think it is safe to say that because this forum is frequented by mostly young-ish men the vast majority of people posting have an over-inflated opinion of their driving ability.

Varboy, nearly missed you. Can you imagine if one of your advanced instructors had to stand up in court and justify why he is teaching people to actively break the speed limit. I appreciate that breaking the speed limit while overtaking is probably safer than the actual overtaking manoeuvre taking longer because you're sticking rigidly to the limit, but the papers would have a field day with your statement. "Advanced Driving Instructor Tells Student to Break Speed Limit".

So to repeat. Speed is not bad. Inappropriate speed is very bad. And weaving in and out of a queue of traffic when the space is not available to do so is just dangerous and inconsiderate.

Originally Posted by Blueblaster

I'm off to the gym. I might pop back before work to point out why the rest of you ladies don't know your **** from your elbow or I might just leave you all to wallow in your own drivel.

Originally Posted by pslewis

I'm going to jump to the defence of Blueblaster here.

Facts:-

1. The speed limit is the MAXIMUM speed allowed.

2. To do 75% of that speed is not wrong.

3. There can be many reasons why a car is being driven slowly.

4. There are a multitude of reasons why the cars behind do not overtake.

However, I also get rather annoyed at the flashing lights if I overtake - if it is accompanied by some hand gesture then I slow right down to give them a chance to explain themselves .... they rarely want to!

But, there is NOTHING wrong with driving slower than the speed limit - hate it though we do when they get in our way!

Originally Posted by Blueblaster

I haven't said anything contrary to paragraph 168. In fact, what I have said is precisely in accordance with paragraph 168.

Originally Posted by Blueblaster

As a rule I agree with you. However, if I'm in a queue of traffic and someone overtakes me and slots into a gap a left between me and and car in front and subsequently forces me to brake then I would happily see that driver lose his/her licence. And by brake I mean brake at all. If you are going to overtake then other road users should have to make no adjustment whatsoever as a result of your actions.

Originally Posted by pslewis

Please point out what I have said in the post you refer to which is untrue.

Originally Posted by chocolate_o_brian

pete never said you had said anything untruthful, just a lot of your posts seem to have the same spin as a labour member of parliament, and how much credit your views may with stand thats all. as said its a point im debating, not calling you a liar.

Originally Posted by scunnered

Here's a quote from the HIGHWAY CODE.
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Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.

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Blueblaster, you quite obviously know better than the highway code. I hope I never have the misfortune to attempt to overtake you. In my opinion you're a danger to other road users.

Originally Posted by Varboy

Perhaps if you had explained yourself in a way in which other people could understand your arguement then there would be no need to get upset and insult everyone??

Being as pi**ed off as you evidently are, at least you'll have a good workout.

Originally Posted by chocolate_o_brian

right ok then. lets put this in another light.

for example, your drigin along at 52mph and a loaded articulated lorry approaches you to overtake. say hes going 55-56mph as hes fully loaded. how long would it take said 38-44tonne (approx 60ft long) laden articulated lorry to overtake your slow **** bearing in mind a safe distance behind and infront was given by lorry.

answer that and you may have your answer why people think your taking the **** on an economy run.

Originally Posted by AngloSaxon

Wrong.




168
Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.

If you follow the highway code as precisely as you have said you do, you would, in fact, not have to brake at all.

Originally Posted by Blueblaster

That isn't contrary to what I said. The bits of the highway code you are highlighting are basically saying that if you're faced with an inbred cretin pulling in front of you after overtaking you should, in the interests of safety, recreate the safe braking distance you had before the maneouvre and give him enough space to slot in now that he is in front of you. It doesn't say the preferred technique for overtaking is to chuck your car in front of another one and thereby force him to slow down and create some space for you.

Originally Posted by Blueblaster

That isn't contrary to what I said. The bits of the highway code you are highlighting are basically saying that if you're faced with an inbred cretin pulling in front of you after overtaking you should, in the interests of safety, recreate the safe braking distance you had before the maneouvre and give him enough space to slot in now that he is in front of you. It doesn't say the preferred technique for overtaking is to chuck your car in front of another one and thereby force him to slow down and create some space for you.

Originally Posted by martwrxsl

FFS who invited my mum to this forum?

Originally Posted by trails

Nope, that 's how YOU read it because it supports YOUR argument. The excerpt doesn't mention any type of behaviour except "If a driver is trying to overtake you", you can add as much emotive syntax to your replies as you want you are still wrong

Originally Posted by IJE71

168
Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.

I haven't said anything contrary to paragraph 168. In fact, what I have said is precisely in accordance with paragraph 168.

Quote:
Originally Posted by p1doc
just take your foot off the accelerator for a few seconds
martin

Why should I? Why should I have to compensate for someone else's bad driving?

Originally Posted by stevebt

But you are basically describing any cars manourve not just overtaking!!! I for one think more people do what you have said on entering a dual carriage way/ motorway/ single carriageway. Its part of life and if a faster car is going to overtake you he isnt going to be in front of you for long I for one wait until a clear stretch of road then overtake as many cars as possible and don't just try and squeeze in between some person as I look for the biggest gap before I pull in But usually I overtake all the cars in the queue

Originally Posted by ;

Why should I? Why should I have to compensate for someone else's bad driving?

Originally Posted by Blueblaster

No not really. When pulling onto a motorway it is courteous to help other drivers to join the traffic flow. Overtaking is unnecessary and should only be done when there is enough space to not interfer with other road users. There is a difference.

Originally Posted by Blueblaster

. Overtaking is unnecessary and should only be done when there is enough space to not interfer with other road users. There is a difference.

Originally Posted by bish667

Unfortunately its 1 of many inconveniences in life, would you rather not slow down and just hit them?

I thought this thread was about people getting flashed after overtaking on a mostly empty road, not about pulling in to small spaces between cars while overtaking a line of traffic????

Iv been flashed on occasion after overtaking a car but there was no other cars in either direction so whys it a problem?