Overtaking: are you mad?
22 April 2008, 04:59 PM
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or maybe sometimes they are actually a police officer in their off duty/family car and are annoyed because they cant nick you for speeding.But yeah I agree, if I did stonk past at 75mph then those stated could be logical reasons.
Personally I think it just comes down to them feeling that they have been beaten (don't know why as I don't feel I have achieved anything except making ground when overtaking). Also there is the "my car is considerably more expensive, meaning better, and therefore no one else is allowed to do anything on the roads without my say so" or I suppose there's the lot that just think anyone else not conforming to their style of driving is evil, the direction BB is leaning towards.
22 April 2008, 05:40 PM
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No I'm talking about a perfectly legal overtake, not even needing to go over 60, so no super high speeds or reason for jobsworth plod to be annoyed.
But yeah I agree, if I did stonk past at 75mph then those stated could be logical reasons.
Personally I think it just comes down to them feeling that they have been beaten (don't know why as I don't feel I have achieved anything except making ground when overtaking). Also there is the "my car is considerably more expensive, meaning better, and therefore no one else is allowed to do anything on the roads without my say so" or I suppose there's the lot that just think anyone else not conforming to their style of driving is evil, the direction BB is leaning towards.
But yeah I agree, if I did stonk past at 75mph then those stated could be logical reasons.
Personally I think it just comes down to them feeling that they have been beaten (don't know why as I don't feel I have achieved anything except making ground when overtaking). Also there is the "my car is considerably more expensive, meaning better, and therefore no one else is allowed to do anything on the roads without my say so" or I suppose there's the lot that just think anyone else not conforming to their style of driving is evil, the direction BB is leaning towards.
22 April 2008, 05:45 PM
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Sorry mate but i consider that to be dangerous, i used to be a professional driver, I would fume when i used to see motorists driving along at 50mph- 60 mph forcing lorries and coaches to overtake them which then in turn pushes everybody over a lane and which further in turn then slows traffic down.
The fact that HGV's and coaches are fitted with speed limiters and when they are going uphill the last thing they need is some slow bod trundling along trying to save a bit of juice especially when it is still safe to 70mph on the motorway.
I think cars should have a minimum spend limit of 65mph on the motorway, if you can't drive safely and sensiblely at this speed on the motorway and be fully aware of your surroundings then get off the ****ing road!!!!
The fact that HGV's and coaches are fitted with speed limiters and when they are going uphill the last thing they need is some slow bod trundling along trying to save a bit of juice especially when it is still safe to 70mph on the motorway.
I think cars should have a minimum spend limit of 65mph on the motorway, if you can't drive safely and sensiblely at this speed on the motorway and be fully aware of your surroundings then get off the ****ing road!!!!
22 April 2008, 05:56 PM
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blueblaster, you seem to imply that it is perfectly acceptable to drive slower than the speed limit, and by a considerable margin, yet you complain that overtakers overtaking in to your gap between you and the car in front may cause you to alter your speed, why don't you apply your own margin and increase your gap between yourself and the car in front by a similar amount i.e. 25%, that way, you can tootle along with the caravan club members in front of you, and allow people in a rush (who might be late for a meeting, taking someone to hospital etc etc) to safely overtake without some self-rightous king of the road from getting their werthers-originals in a twist.
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22 April 2008, 06:16 PM
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A lot of people prob think the car is speeding, even when its not, due to the ROAR coming off it when overtaking. A while back I took off on a single track road, put the foot down in 2nd gear, only got to about 35-40. I later found out a woman a few hundred metres away had gone nuts saying I was doing at least 70, she had no idea.
22 April 2008, 06:20 PM
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To me, it's apparent that the Government's over-simplistic and condecending 'Speed Kills' campaign is finally becoming imprinted on the mindless population of the UK.
Another victory for the liberalist do-gooders.
Another victory for the liberalist do-gooders.
22 April 2008, 06:40 PM
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A lot of people prob think the car is speeding, even when its not, due to the ROAR coming off it when overtaking. A while back I took off on a single track road, put the foot down in 2nd gear, only got to about 35-40. I later found out a woman a few hundred metres away had gone nuts saying I was doing at least 70, she had no idea.
22 April 2008, 06:45 PM
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22 April 2008, 07:23 PM
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All this talk about not ever wanting to even lift off because someone pulls into a gap between you and the car in front.
If I'm driving along an A-road in a line of traffic, I quite often leave a considerable gap in front of me - this allows me to see the road and potential hazards ahead, and also gives me time to look in my mirrors, rather than just staring at the bumper in front of me.
If someone wants to overtake, then, if necessary, I'll ease off the gas fractionally and allow the gap in front to lengthen (isn't this how most people drive on the motorway??!). It's never caused me a problem. I get more wound up when someone sits on my rear bumper looking to overtake, but then never does.
If I'm driving along an A-road in a line of traffic, I quite often leave a considerable gap in front of me - this allows me to see the road and potential hazards ahead, and also gives me time to look in my mirrors, rather than just staring at the bumper in front of me.
If someone wants to overtake, then, if necessary, I'll ease off the gas fractionally and allow the gap in front to lengthen (isn't this how most people drive on the motorway??!). It's never caused me a problem. I get more wound up when someone sits on my rear bumper looking to overtake, but then never does.
22 April 2008, 07:41 PM
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No, he's just one of the few people on here who is talking sense.
If you make a move on the road that causes another driver to have to brake or steer to maintain their safe position (apart of course form when he legally has to give way to you) you blew it.
If you make a move on the road that causes another driver to have to brake or steer to maintain their safe position (apart of course form when he legally has to give way to you) you blew it.
22 April 2008, 07:44 PM
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All this talk about not ever wanting to even lift off because someone pulls into a gap between you and the car in front.
If I'm driving along an A-road in a line of traffic, I quite often leave a considerable gap in front of me - this allows me to see the road and potential hazards ahead, and also gives me time to look in my mirrors, rather than just staring at the bumper in front of me.
If someone wants to overtake, then, if necessary, I'll ease off the gas fractionally and allow the gap in front to lengthen (isn't this how most people drive on the motorway??!). It's never caused me a problem. I get more wound up when someone sits on my rear bumper looking to overtake, but then never does.
If I'm driving along an A-road in a line of traffic, I quite often leave a considerable gap in front of me - this allows me to see the road and potential hazards ahead, and also gives me time to look in my mirrors, rather than just staring at the bumper in front of me.
If someone wants to overtake, then, if necessary, I'll ease off the gas fractionally and allow the gap in front to lengthen (isn't this how most people drive on the motorway??!). It's never caused me a problem. I get more wound up when someone sits on my rear bumper looking to overtake, but then never does.
When it is safe I will overtake and then cruise around the speed limit for the road, obviously checking if I am allowed to overtake (white lines, highway code remember?).
But I have seen some stupid overtaking moves, usually from cars that are just not up to the job and the worst ones are the drivers who just sit on your bumper edging out but never quite committing, you don't know whether to just overtake to shake off the numpty or slow right down to annoy him/her even more.
22 April 2008, 07:47 PM
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Funny, good thread, I too am obsessed with mpg....
Sorry just woken up,
my favourite was a guy in a Saab turbo (diesel ?) who reacted badly to my safe overtake, by aiming his car straight at a (huge !) traffic island trying to catch me up to deliver the "w4nker w4ve".... his wife went potty ! LOL
Sadly after actually changing down from sixth, I left him for dead....
Childish but fun.
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P.S. When doing my "professional" driving I'm really chilled....
except when some *** in a Golf decides to cut infront of me.... always a Golf, always driven by a driver with a "tan", you know what I mean ?
Sorry just woken up,
my favourite was a guy in a Saab turbo (diesel ?) who reacted badly to my safe overtake, by aiming his car straight at a (huge !) traffic island trying to catch me up to deliver the "w4nker w4ve".... his wife went potty ! LOL
Sadly after actually changing down from sixth, I left him for dead....
Childish but fun.
DunxC
P.S. When doing my "professional" driving I'm really chilled....
except when some *** in a Golf decides to cut infront of me.... always a Golf, always driven by a driver with a "tan", you know what I mean ?
22 April 2008, 08:27 PM
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It seems to me that his penny pinching driving style has not saved him enough money to afford to keep the scoob so he has to sell it and now has to drive around in a car with a tractor engine but still comes on the subaru sites just to wind people up, do you think he might be bitter.
Best to just ignore these people then they'll go away
Best to just ignore these people then they'll go away
22 April 2008, 08:30 PM
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My brother in law has openly admitted to closing the gap when cars want to overtake him. He had a different opinion when he was driving his XR2i though, but he doesnt own a fast car anymore.
It all down to jealousy, those drivers with fast cars which can overtake and the other tossers who cant/wont
It all down to jealousy, those drivers with fast cars which can overtake and the other tossers who cant/wont
22 April 2008, 09:24 PM
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but seriously blueblaster u must be the life and soul at dinner partys?
22 April 2008, 09:35 PM
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Just out of interest because it never got answered by the go slow evangelists.. in fact it was dismissed as lies, or somebody got something wrong...
Why do people fail their driving test for not driving to the speed limit when it is safe to do so?
Just one example I pulled randomly off the net... don't belive me.. do a search using the terms... 'driving too slowly test fail' - there's hundreds of them!!
Driver training in Medway and Maidstone
Point 7:
Interesting comments about the ADI's not encouraging going over the speed limit to overtake... It has been known for plod to pull people for doing 70 in the outside lane of a motorway, because they were causing an obstruction and not maintaining the flow of traffic.... granted I haven't heard of any prosecutions, but definite finger wagging!
Why do people fail their driving test for not driving to the speed limit when it is safe to do so?
Just one example I pulled randomly off the net... don't belive me.. do a search using the terms... 'driving too slowly test fail' - there's hundreds of them!!
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Point 7:
7. Avoiding hesitation and driving too slowly.
Don't expect to pass if you stop somewhere unnecessarily. For example giving way to traffic where its safe to continue without stopping.
The examiner will be expecting you to keep up with the flow of other road users within the legal limit, providing the road conditions allow you to. Driving too slowly when its safe to drive at the legal limit, will cause inconvenience to others.
Don't expect to pass if you stop somewhere unnecessarily. For example giving way to traffic where its safe to continue without stopping.
The examiner will be expecting you to keep up with the flow of other road users within the legal limit, providing the road conditions allow you to. Driving too slowly when its safe to drive at the legal limit, will cause inconvenience to others.
22 April 2008, 10:54 PM
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This might be a topic for another thread but why don't the '45mph in a 60mph' merchants just leave a bigger gap if they have either no intention or lack the ability to overtake ? This way those who wish to make progress within the legal limit can do so without causing them any distress. Instead they drive along right up the a**e of the vehicle in front so no one has a chance to make progress, could this be a form of insecurity ? ie. I can't overtake so no one else is going to.
After following one of these 'cretin convoys' I asked my wife 'why do I always end up at the back of these idiots following a near stationary tractor/lorry/crane, I'm never second car back ?' her reply was 'because when you come up behind the offending vehicle you overtake it ASAP so you always catch up to someone elses queue !'
After following one of these 'cretin convoys' I asked my wife 'why do I always end up at the back of these idiots following a near stationary tractor/lorry/crane, I'm never second car back ?' her reply was 'because when you come up behind the offending vehicle you overtake it ASAP so you always catch up to someone elses queue !'
22 April 2008, 11:06 PM
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23 April 2008, 08:44 AM
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hang on mate as a hgv driver which i am you will be looking further ahead and see you need to move out a lane on the motorway to go past someone and you shouldnt need to overtake hardly on a single carigeway beacause in a hgv you shouldnt be doing over 40mph which is the law? the minimum speed for the m'way is 40mph if safe. theres more hold ups when you get two lorries side by side for 2 miles overtaking
And by the way, i used to drive HGV's,but could never get into the mind set, you know, yorkie bar in one hand, **** in the other!
23 April 2008, 08:55 AM
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23 April 2008, 09:04 AM
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Right, I'll disagree with you first because you were polite. If I haven't left enough space in front of me for an overtaking car to slot in then there was not enough room to overtake and the manouevre was dangerous. I am obligated to leave enough space in front of me to stop safely in the event of an unforeseen incident. I have no responsiblity to leave extra room on top of that should an inpatient, inconsiderate driver decide he would rather barge his way through than wait with everyone else.
On to the next...
On to the next...
23 April 2008, 09:41 AM
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This might be a topic for another thread but why don't the '45mph in a 60mph' merchants just leave a bigger gap if they have either no intention or lack the ability to overtake ? This way those who wish to make progress within the legal limit can do so without causing them any distress. Instead they drive along right up the a**e of the vehicle in front so no one has a chance to make progress, could this be a form of insecurity ? ie. I can't overtake so no one else is going to.
After following one of these 'cretin convoys' I asked my wife 'why do I always end up at the back of these idiots following a near stationary tractor/lorry/crane, I'm never second car back ?' her reply was 'because when you come up behind the offending vehicle you overtake it ASAP so you always catch up to someone elses queue !'
After following one of these 'cretin convoys' I asked my wife 'why do I always end up at the back of these idiots following a near stationary tractor/lorry/crane, I'm never second car back ?' her reply was 'because when you come up behind the offending vehicle you overtake it ASAP so you always catch up to someone elses queue !'
23 April 2008, 09:52 AM
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The quote above sums up everything I have been saying. It's not alright for someone to drive down a road with a 60mph limit at 45mph because it creates a queue of drivers who would like to go faster and that is inconsiderate. But it is alright for those people at the back of the queue to barge their way to the front causing the overtaken cars to adjust their course and speed. That's not selfish at all is it?
If there is loads of space in front of the car in front of you then overtaking it not an issue and nor should it be. But we all know that queues of traffic like this always end up with the vehicles being packed too closely together and any overtaking manoeuvre that requires advancing to the front by picking off individual cars will require those cars being overtaken to take avoiding action.
I may be back this evening to provide more education.
23 April 2008, 10:05 AM
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If you're out for a drive and arent wanting to overtake other vehicles then leave sufficient distance between the car in front of you so other road users may overtake. If you're not prepared to allow sufficient distance then you are a bad driver.
Driving isnt about just looking forward, but from all directions.
when someone want to over take me, I will instantly adjust my speed downwards to allow them back into a space i've created. This is being considerate to other road users, those drivers who refuse to adjust their speed or close gaps just because they're being overtaken are tossers.
Point ot note, Im very rarely overtaken, but almost always overtaking other vehicles.
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Driving isnt about just looking forward, but from all directions.
when someone want to over take me, I will instantly adjust my speed downwards to allow them back into a space i've created. This is being considerate to other road users, those drivers who refuse to adjust their speed or close gaps just because they're being overtaken are tossers.
Point ot note, Im very rarely overtaken, but almost always overtaking other vehicles.
Andy
23 April 2008, 10:21 AM
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Just logged on to see the latest ramblings. This is only reply I am responding to because it is a beautiful day here in the Alps and I'm going out for a long walk.
The quote above sums up everything I have been saying. It's not alright for someone to drive down a road with a 60mph limit at 45mph because it creates a queue of drivers who would like to go faster and that is inconsiderate. But it is alright for those people at the back of the queue to barge their way to the front causing the overtaken cars to adjust their course and speed. That's not selfish at all is it?
If there is loads of space in front of the car in front of you then overtaking it not an issue and nor should it be. But we all know that queues of traffic like this always end up with the vehicles being packed too closely together and any overtaking manoeuvre that requires advancing to the front by picking off individual cars will require those cars being overtaken to take avoiding action.
I may be back this evening to provide more education.
The quote above sums up everything I have been saying. It's not alright for someone to drive down a road with a 60mph limit at 45mph because it creates a queue of drivers who would like to go faster and that is inconsiderate. But it is alright for those people at the back of the queue to barge their way to the front causing the overtaken cars to adjust their course and speed. That's not selfish at all is it?
If there is loads of space in front of the car in front of you then overtaking it not an issue and nor should it be. But we all know that queues of traffic like this always end up with the vehicles being packed too closely together and any overtaking manoeuvre that requires advancing to the front by picking off individual cars will require those cars being overtaken to take avoiding action.
I may be back this evening to provide more education.
The Highway code encourages drivers not to impede the progress of other drivers, if the other driver wants to cut people up or whatever, it's their call and their licence. BTW, I'm not condoning this behaviour.
If people drove with consideration for others, other than themselves and therefore defensively then they would leave sufficient space in front of them for the overtaking driver to pull in front of them with minimal speed correction by themselves and would not get irate because someone who wanted to make progress overtook them.