C_WRX

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Numerous threads, surely we must all agree on something. Overtaking safely is okay !?
Blueblasters quote : "But it is alright for those people at the back of the queue to barge their way to the front causing the overtaken cars to adjust their course and speed". Barging anywhere is rude/selfish, give you that.
BUT
Question to you : Would you not agree though that a sufficient space should already be left ?
AND
if not then lift off the accelerator just slightly when you see someone overtaking to ensure there is a sufficient space ? - it's not difficult, honest !
I just don't get why this isn't common sense and courtesy from road users?? If barging is rude/selfish then is not leaving a sufficient gap also rude/selfish ? Doing eithers not right.

Would you also conceed it isn't always easily seen that 2/3/4/5/... car lengths ahead has a sufficient space for rejoining the queue - that would involve a half movement to the other side of the road just for a look which could also be unnerving to other roads users ?

Question to all, and I'll be surprised if we don't all do the same. When a motorbike overtakes you in a moving queue and slots in front what do you do as it arrives in the gap (which absolutely is much smaller than a car requires). We lift off the accelerator and give him more space - and funnily enough no-one seems annoyed about this, an acceptance that bikes are quicker or is it a size thing - bike car lorry - still all using the road!! Or is this just me and my good manners again ?!

Driving too close to car in front just gets you those irritating stone chips anyway !

bish667

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Well said, it shows how childish people are on the road.

Also get lovely dirty water when the roads wet.

bish667

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Have to say if i am stuck in a queue of traffic on a main road, I actually like it when someone faster overtakes me and works its way through the queue in front of me. A quote from Die Hard 3 sums it up " Get yourself a blocker and head for the end zone".

trails

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another troll on my ignore list, you are dull.

GlesgaKiss

When your learning to drive, a driving instructor will tell you that 45mph is too slow when you can safely be doing just under the limit.

If you are too close to the car infront, and are too lazy to take your foot off the throttle for a few seconds to let someone that is overtaking pull in, there's something wrong with you. Why should people sit behind you at 40 just because, on that day you are not in a hurry? As i've said before, technically if the person infront was leaving the correct gap there would be no reason to have to "barge in".

Alan

chocolate_o_brian

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that quite suitable for you, as switzerland also hate performance cars. you stay there dear boy, means we only have to put up with your sort via the interweb, and not real life shenanigans

***thankyou for being considerate***

rbaz

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Well after watching traffic cops tonight as long as you feel you have been cut up or upset by other drivers/bikes overtaking you can cut them up and try to run them off the road.
Even if a traffic car or bike has you on tape they will take your word for it and you will only get a telling off.

WTF are the police for Makes me mad watching programs like that bloke in the Audi should have been prosecuted whatever the bike had done
Young lad in the Lopo gets done for speeding (far play was going fast) when no other dangerous driving in involved on a quiet motorway When is the crime going to fit the penalty
The police are a waste of space

martwrxsl

Totally agree about the bike thing. I give them room and if they want to over take I move over. I've noticed that if you do give them room they always acknowledge the fact. Should definately have been prosecuted and got a slap. For all you people who didn't watch it, this guy was swerving into the bikes.

As for the young lad in the lupo gti. 125mph at 18. I think he needs to have some sort of warning there mate. I drive at those speeds infrequently, but I'm aware of everything around me (flame proof jacket on). I think at 18 with one year's driving experience he would have ended up dead if not for the warning.

rbaz

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Didn't mean he should have got away with it scot free. Should be punishment related to the offence committed
The guy in the Audi did more wrong in my opinion and should have got a higher penalty

Alan Jeffery

Re overtaking, I drive the same stretch of "A" road every day, and have done for decades. If there is more than one car in front of me in a line, I don't bother overtaking, as I know I'm not going to get anywhere any quicker. If there is just one in front of me, he's fair game, although there are only two places to pass safely in one direction, and only one coming back the other way. One of those is actually a hoot, as you can tell who is paying attention and who isn't. The road swoops and dives a bit, great fun in my Evo (sorry). There is a left hand bend that rises uphill to a dead straight climb for two hundred yards or so. The trick is to drop right back, then pull through the bend. As you gain on the guy in front, and carrying a bit of speed, you can see the road ahead is clear. Plant it from there, and you're past him in a blink of an eye. The sleepy ones wallow all over the road and flash thier lights as you've just frightened them to death. I tend to flash my lights just before I overtake, but as the whole thing is over in a couple of seconds, they don't get chance to take it all in. By the time they've thought WTF, I'm solid gone..

Lisawrx

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IMO, I have a real problem with any kind of irresponsible or selfish driving. It all comes down to manners on all parties. As for what has been raised in this thread, I don't have a problem with overtaking, if done safely, but it seems more issues are involved.

I'll try to explain. I have a real problem with road users who tailgate, in order to either bully or attempt to force the driver in front to react, to keep the tailgater happy, if the driver in front is travelling at the limit, or very close. It's not safe, and it's not right. The same as I would have a problem with someone who professes to be a good driver, who doesn't want to travel at the limit for the road. That in itself is fine, if you don't want or need to travel at the top end, fine. But in all fairness, if you are happy to proceed below the limit, then don't try and have a go at those who wish to get on their way. Someone, and possibly others may seem to justify their behaviour, by saying they leave a suitable gap between themselves and the vehicle in front for braking, fine, and say they shouldn't have to adjust their driving for someone who wants to make progress (without braking the limit). Well leave a bigger gap.

To only leave a relatively small gap, preventing 'safe' or 'considerate' overtaking seems as selfish as someone tailgating thus forcing another driver to drive in a certain manner. You are forcing another driver to drive well below the limit, not because you won't go faster, but because you want to drive like that, but not allow it to be safe or considerate for them to pass. THB, that's as selfish as anyone wanting to pass if not more.

If a person wants to toddle along at a low speed, all well and good, but don't take the hump because someone might not, within legal limits. If you prevent them from making way, you are the one who causes the problem.

Respect goes both ways, and if one person doesn't show it, the cycle goes on.

Guv

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Totally agree with you there but you ways get plonkers, (like blueblaster )

Dspeed

Would it be wrong to make a sport of it? Say take ur fav drive/route and see how many cars u can overtake? Then try and beat it next time?

Bubba po

Excellent post.

NACRO

Couldn't be bothered to go through the whole thread but I suggest you go and read your highway code.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAn...code/DG_070314

Your job as the party being overtaken is to accomodate the car making the maneuver.

Perhaps you and others like you should try following the rules of the road.

vindaloo

Yes it would be wrong.

vindaloo

Once someone has committed to overtake, I'm with you.

People only learn overtaking by "trying to overtake". They're human and sometimes they get it wrong. Unless you all stop and debate it, who knows what the real situation is?

I think we could learn something from the Italian style of driving. Not that I'm advocating "three cars overtaking on a blind rising corner" sort-of-thing, more a slightly more relaxed attitude.

J.

GazTheHat

You're right. I actually got praise on my test for dropping a cog and flooring it upto 60. Thus getting up to speed as soon as possible.

45 in a 60 is just annoying, 50-55 is fine IMO. They should be able to take most the bends at that speed, without braking for corners, then speeding back up.

NACRO

With me and the rules written in plain English in the Highway Code as can be seen in that link. There's no room for argument what I've said is fact and anyone who disagrees is a **** poor driver who needs to go back to school. In fact I'd advocate removal of their licences.
While we're on the subject I think anyone who holds a licence should be subject to a series of highway code questions when stopped by the Police for whatever reason. Less than 90 percent correct and it should be suspension of licence until they can pass.
Should get some numpties off the road.

trails

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that would reduce traffic congestion too...probably by about 90%

STi_Si

If it's legal and safe then go for it I say....

sandyRS16i

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Well in addition, there are 2 other things RE overtaking that bug my bits.

1) Those who do overtake a slower moving vehicle, in a safe place, but in the process refuse to exceed the given limit for that road as its 'illegal'. Sorry I know its speeding, but only momentarily, but IMO when you go to overtake you should do it as quickly and safely as possible, thus leaving you on the wrong carrigeway for the minimal time possible, hence reducing possible risks. Those who don't do this are IMO another danger.

2) The flashers/beepers/adjitated who have been overtaken by a faster moving car when dawdling at 40mph. These are the very ones who somehow can close a 1 mile gap when you reach the next 20/30/40mph zone, only to tailgate and give gestures etc because you have slowed to the limit for that environment. Although I have exceeded the limit on open roads I am concious of the limits in built up areas, although it seems many aren't.

DaveD

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I think I understand where you are going wrong.... you seem to think that someone overtaking a line of cars is somehow 'jumping the queue' and therefore should have to wait at the back, along with eveyone else?

Generally, if I overtake a single car, or think there's enough road to overtake a line of cars, I never see those cars again. ie; I don't hold them up at the next T-junction or set of traffic lights. That's not 'jumping a queue' it's merely making progress.

If I come up to a line of cars, I usually hold back and wait for a few good overtaking opportunities to pass to see if anyone else is going to make a move. If no one makes an attempt to overtake, then eventually I will start to progress my way down the line - these people are obviously happy to travel at their speed, but why should I have to also travel at that speed if I can make safe progress by overtaking?

bren@apex

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Ive just taken my motorbike test. If you do not make good progress at all times then youll get penalised. They are very strict about you doing 40 in a 40, 30 in a 30 etc. If you take your test and do 30 in a 40 then you run the real risk of failing for not making good progress. The only time this isnt applicable is in built up areas or where theres a hazzard, schools etc.

If the car in front is doing 10% below the speed limit then you are expected to overtake when its safe to do so. Overtaking speed is not related to the roads speed limit, you over take as swiftly as possible and then reduce your speed back down to the posted limit.

The instructors rammed the above down my throat repeatidly, get up to speed swiftly and ride to the speed limit where conditions allow. That was black and white, unconditional. I hated it because its difficult to stick to 30pmh/40mph without constantly checking the speedo when youre on an unfamilier bike. It also meant that you HAD to be fully aware of the speed limit on the road you were on and couldnt get away with just trundling round everywhere at 30mph thus ingoring the 40mph limits.

Devildog

Jesus, what a thread

Bottom line, there is nothing wrong with driving at a speed below the posted limit for that given road. However, if you do, then you should be prepared to afford assistance to other road users who choose to travel faster than you.

Irrespective of whether you are in a queue of traffic or not.

If you are being fully observant (as you should be) you will be equally as aware of what is happening behind you as in front.

So when someone behind commits to an overtaking manoever you should be aware of that, and lift off to increase the gap between you and the car in front to facillitate a safe re-entry to the left hand lane for the overtaking vehicle.

If, on the other hand, you become infuriated because you've had to alter your position relative to the car in front, you'd better get back to the gym because you clearly have a lot more compensating to do.

vindaloo

No it wouldn't, there'd always be a Police car pulling someone over, blocking the way.

trails

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lol, on that subject, I wonder how many cops would pass the test

Butty

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Blueblaster..
Confucious say:
A queue isn't caused by the first car, but by the second car for not overtaking.

If you are happy to trundle behind a car below the posted speed then you are making progress with undue hesitancy.
Subsequent cars trying to overtake you must be given adequate space to manoever into.
Your attitude that people behind you are trying to "barge" pass says a lot about your attitude to others.
A classic case of middle aged ego and one that is ripe for driver re-training.

nick

DB07P1

i couldnt agree more with what your saying,half the time its these bloody oaps who dont know what a 60 speed limit means!

trails

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Genius