myblackwrx

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you didn't ,by chance, have a rubber ball did you

The Zohan

LOL!
I was k-i-d-d-i-n-g!

Didn't Galloway get hit with something yesterday and bang his (fat and obnoxious) head on the bus - the person got arrested for it from what i heard on R5 live.

I listened to Galloway on Talk Sport on his late night show a couple of times to see what he was all about - the man is a nut-job and a menace.

Martin2005

No if it was me it wouldn't of been made of rubber

Snazy

Oh another trumpet blowing thread *yawn lol

Fingers crossed next week will see Red Ken lose his grip on London, followed at the GE by the Brown log at #10 getting flushed once and for all.

Snazy

Unfortunatly Uncle Gordon does NOT live in the present.

Today quoting figures about child support etc £12 under Conservatives, £20 under labour.... DUH !! Its been oooh 10-12 years since the Tories could last do anything about those figures.....

lozgti

What exactly is labour now anyway? I can't work out the difference anymore.

Well I will be voting for totally the opposite of the the big three at the locals.

I don't support much of this groups policies but labour , conservative and the lib dems need a serious wake up call.The country is sick of all three of them with the same useless policies

And I am certainly not alone in my thoughts.I think an interesting couple of weeks in politics are coming up

RB5_245

I'm hoping for an all time low voter turnout, that would let them know we care about them about as much as they do us

skoobidude

Surely there must be room for another party who can sort us out!

Let me see.
Cap immigration from 3rd world countries until we can rebalance. All immigrants to have at least £xK in the bank + a "skill" before coming over (unless getting married to someone already here).
Petrol/Diesel down to 85ppL.

Execute major offenders to free up space in prison.
No more than 3 children per family!
Right to defend yourself in your own property. Get rid of human rights/equal opportunity/more rights for 1-legged green homosapiens at work etc...


Nick

Awaits a flaming but doesn't care.

Snazy

Im standing by with the fire extinguisher dude, your on the right track somewhere in there

However most in a position to do anything seem
How about more your MP's, junior MP's even, so we can get the real issues on the table.

phil_wrx

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i care about the effects labours huge taxiation is having on me. the fuel price is the same all over the world and to be honest there is nothing that the goverment can do about it but the 64% fuel ta could be a start. i also cant afford a pension but my council tax keeps going up to cover pension contributions of local goverment workers

mart360

Oi Habgood, you leave me out of it

the only thing the lardy one is good for is ballast,


Mart

Snazy

The amazing thing is GB today made a speech stating how he aims to help the less well off, with the rising costs of fuel and food.... Errrrm... errrrm, how about chipping back the tax.

Love the way he made it sound like it was something totally out of his control, and not home made.

phil_wrx

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i read an article the other day on the price of oil ( yawn) but in that it said they cant see it ever coming back down too the $60 - $70 it was last year due the effect the developing countries are having.

they said that for every person that is leaving there cars behind there are 10 people in the developing countries buying cars

india and china have the largest growing econimies in the world.

india just brought out a cheap car for the people what do u think the effect on the planet is now

Mifo

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cant wait till labour go.
whats improved for people that actually go out to work???


your're better off sitting on your butt and having about 6 kids under this government.

greenonedave

I can just imagine it, Labour voted out. Tories voted in..
lets see.
petrol prices will still rise
road charging will be introduced
immigration will continue at same rate
taxes will continue to rise.
war on terror will infringe on all your human rights
its the same crap with a different wrapper

Snazy

90% with you on that.

Prices will always rise, immigration will always be permitted etc...
The bit im concerned about is actually having someone in power that can tell you at any given moment, how many, how much and why.

I think the biggest change in the war on terror will come from over the pond. When pwer changes hands then, whoever is in power here WILL follow suit.

My biggest issue with Labour is their incompetence in keeping control of their decisions, and having the foggiest idea wtf is going on around them.

boiledshrimpnbutter

good riddance, i say, bring on the tories

the last 10years of good living we have all had , was the tories doing,
labour inherited a growing economy, blair was laughing when he took over

how can anyone who works and pays there way think labour is better for them
unless you have several kids, then you can do minimal work and live well
or your polish, then you can get family allowance for kids living in poland

Martin2005

This must go down as the most inaccurate first post ever!

boiledshrimpnbutter

the last time the tories were in, the taxes were a hell of a lot less, same on immigration,
tories would seal up the borders asap
thats were all your money is going , all the immigrants sending it home, claiming for family's abroad, the money isn't going back round, leaving a big hole in the goverments budget !! oh, they pay a bit of tax , then swamp the NHS with pregnant woman, ill parents and need interpreters to be interviewed for criminal acts , so the police let them off as its costing them to much

wake up labour supporters, see the light its blue

PeteBrant

No they weren't

"Tax freedom" day , for example, fell on 2 June in 1986.


Guess what day it falls on this year?

Yup ... 2nd June

The actual tax burden per person is pretty much the same. And relatively low compared to mainland Europe.


No they wouldn't.
It's like reading the Mail if the shift button had broken on thier keyboard

boiledshrimpnbutter

yawn, yawn

i suppose maggie was a devil
and scargill you idol

europe is now following the line to the right, look at the new presidents in france and germany !!!!!
which direction are they wanting????,
heavily taxed socialist practise's are going like the dodo , sooner the better

i can't see anything wrong with wanting more if your willing to work for it, or your that bit smarter than the next bloke/women, why be penalised for being rich
if you worked for it , whats wrong with having money to burn

Martin2005

Even more inaccurate second post, Pete I think you have a new 'bitch'

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Its not all the governments fault, they do f*ck up big style but its all based on GDP, maybe we arent producing enough or working hard enough, as a country that is, too many layabouts, too much drink and drug fueled crime, the link between effort and reward has been confused, too much smoking and eating crap, getting ill.

I am playing devils advocate a bit but as a country we arent exactly the most dynamic lot, the ones that are are burdened with the ones that arent and thats the bulk of the problem, if everyone contributed to the best of their abilities I think it would be a lot better country.

I think the welfare state is basically a big own goal for the UK, too many ready to play it for all its worth, benefits for 36 kids, certainly sir, fancy a house and some money for ****, booze, fry up's, the bookies and sky tv, just give us a shout when your knackered and we will sort you out.

Then the goverment import more problems along with the hard working immigrants, no screening like other countries, just come in, oh you are pregnant, wonderful, pity you havent got an un treatable form of TB to spread around.

Then to cap it off we decide to play war with the big boys, its like we are mixing above our level, to embarrassed to say we are skint can we please duck out.

This country is faltering, no manufacturing base anymore, mass immigration, everything sold off to the Chinese and Indians and fair play to them, perhaps we have had our time as a country and we are about to feel what its like to be third division ?

Martin2005

Jacko, I know you are playing devil advocate here, but let's not forget we are still the 5th riches nation on earth.

J4CKO

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Yes, one that is perhaps resting on its laurels, whilst other, bigger countries come out of the dark ages hungry for a bit of western style consumerism, we need as a country to keep an edge, we are world leaders in some area's such as finance and technology but we are in danger of getting trampled, Russia is in the process of emerging from communism and now has cottoned on to giving us the squeeze by inflating Gas prices, Opec think nothing of ramping up oil prices on a whim which is contributing to prices over here spiraling out of control (along with the government using it to pay for their daft policies).

PeteBrant

Not at all, Thatcher was exactly what the country needed at that point in time.

God forbid.
As I have just pointed out, we aren;t taxed any heavier - in terms of direct income, than we were 20 years ago.
Nothing at all, but every single mainstream party will cater for the common good - I.e. helping those less fortunate, and that goes for whether it is the Tories or Labour.

I actually think we need a change - Like I said before, the current government is coming to the end of its useful life. They have done a lot of good - especially in thier early year, and they have done some not so good, in thier latter years - But that is part and parcel of being in power for an extended period.

PeteBrant

I wonl;t go intot he welfare side - I've had too many debates on here to go there again

But just on the manufacturing side, the tranferance of manufacturing might to India and China was inevitable. The west simply cannot compete. I've been to China in a proffessional capacity a couple of times and it is absolutely unbeleivable.

The main reason is labour. It is unfathomably cheap when compared to the West. They will use human power where the west uses machines (for example, sorting good rivets from bad, they will have factories with hndred of girls in there just sorting rivets all day). And it will cost far, far less.

The west cannot hope to compete with that - We buy all of our PCB's from China - Why? Because instead of paying £10 per board, we will pay something like £3.50. And we will buy hundreds of thousand of boards over a year.

The UK's big manufacturing days are long gone and they won't return - But we can offer expertise and technological know how. And of course, quality niche product.

Of course countering that is that the UK , specifically London, is the financial capital of the world. Something like 12% of the countries entire GDP comes from the square mile. So it's not all bad.

And as Martin rightly pointed out, we are, comparitvely speaking, fantastically wealthy; 6th in the world in terms of GDP PPP and GDP nominal.

Lisawrx

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I think a change is needed, but I am wary of whether any other government will be really any different. I'm not a fan of politicians, but I'm not going to rant about that, because I don't have any vast knowledge of politics, so it wouldn't be very fair. Even if another party come into power, it will take time to make significant change, and myself included, we as a nation aren't the most patient, so will people lose faith straight away when things don't magically turn around overnight.

Then consider, no party can please all, and whilst another party may please one group, it may be at the expense of another. It would be nice if those in power could sort of compromise, and have some balance, not favouring one over another.

As for governments looking after the common good, and helping those less fortunate, I'm not sure. I will not go into all my personal circumstances, but as it stands at the moment, I am in a low paid job, but I'm in a job, and I pay my way, yet due to this stupid tax change I'm worse off. Not massively, but I am worse off and listening to possible solutions to the **** up, I will probably remain in this position, time will tell. When it comes to looking after those less fortunate, it seems as it stands, that means people who pop out children who can't afford them, or those unwilling to work. (I'm exluding pensioners/those unable to work) I don't want a free ride, or ability to claim benefits, but while I'm in my current situation, I just think it's not looking after those lower down in the pile, by taxing them more, while increasing everything else.

PeteBrant

The whole 10p tax rate debacle is really one of the most distasteful tax reforms I can remember.

It is literally taking from the poor and giving to the rich - and obviously was not thought out well enough.

The fact that they are now talking about compensating those hit by the new system show what an absolute farce it is.

I mean, all these tax credits and compensations will need administration, which, obviously, does not come for free, so that will be an extra expense to the tax payer.

I can understand why they went to a 20p rate - It makes millions of people better off - But they should have left in a 10p for those at the bottom end of the pay scale that do not qualify for tax credits under the current rules.

Lisawrx

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Totally agree. I can understand many will be better off, and that's a good thing, yet many will be worse off who can ill afford to be, due to incompetence.

I will not rant, but it annoys me that from information given, I will remain worse off, due to the areas they will compensate for their **** up. I doubt you would have a go at me, but I know what some on here can be like, and what I don't need right now is 'get a better job'. This is not about me alone, certain jobs need to be done and everyone in a lower paid job has a different reason for being there. At least they're in a job.