Is the Labour Era over?
25 April 2008, 09:34 AM
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Te UKIP seems to be a party stuck in the 1800's - It is looking to the past to get answers, and it just doesn't work.
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wow some real hate there PB - I can only assume they're on the right track if they wind up a lefty a*****e like you (if you want to start name calling....)
25 April 2008, 12:11 PM
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is this thread STILL going 
didn't realise there were that many blind lefty's still around
who hide behind the guardian and eat muesi for breakfast, before getting into there 911
didn't realise there were that many blind lefty's still around
who hide behind the guardian and eat muesi for breakfast, before getting into there 911
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25 April 2008, 12:13 PM
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26 April 2008, 11:27 AM
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I think the main thing that Labour have achieved is a massive increase in public spending, without taxing us all to the hilt. This has been managed by keeping a very high level of employment, therefore keeping the tax revenue in line with what is required.
Our public spending was the amongst the worst in Europe when Labour took over.
Our public spending was the amongst the worst in Europe when Labour took over.
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26 April 2008, 01:56 PM
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NL have perfected spin the soundbite and a sticking plaster approach to all problems, they are reactive and not proactive.
NL all to hapily blame the last gov't even after 10 years and, even after seeing the obvious mistakes the tories made.
NL promised "education, education, education" and "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" - they failed miserably on both.
NL consider the EU human rights act above all else and with no consideration on how it is affecting this country and our ability to deal with immigration and terrorism.
NL do not seem to really care, they appear to be self seving, self interested and self promoting.
NL believe targets are the only way to measure performance and quality of service and the targets are too easily fudged or bodged to look like they are being met.
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27 April 2008, 10:50 AM
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Do yesterdays figures prove the point anymore....
No one has faith in Brown, they think he might be about to get overthrown, and Labour are not too sure they would win the next election. So much so they are talking about change of leader AFTER they lose the next election.
Sorry guys, looks like the game is up lol
No one has faith in Brown, they think he might be about to get overthrown, and Labour are not too sure they would win the next election. So much so they are talking about change of leader AFTER they lose the next election.
Sorry guys, looks like the game is up lol
27 April 2008, 11:07 AM
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Yup, just chucking money at a problem will not fix it, it needs to have careful considered thought and common sense applied. Te NHS being a prime example of this.
NL have perfected spin the soundbit and a sticking plaster approach to all problems, they are reactive and not proactive.
NL all to hapily balme the last gov't even after 10 years and even after seeing the mistakes they made.
NL promised education, education, education and Tough on crime, tough on the causes - they failed miserably on both.
NL consider the EU human rights act above all else and with no consideration on how it is affecting this country and our ability to deal with immigration and terrorism.
NL do not seem to really care, they appear to be self seving, self interested and self promoting.
NL believe targets are the only way to measure performance ans quality of service and the targets are too easily fudged or bodged to look like they are being met.
NL have perfected spin the soundbit and a sticking plaster approach to all problems, they are reactive and not proactive.
NL all to hapily balme the last gov't even after 10 years and even after seeing the mistakes they made.
NL promised education, education, education and Tough on crime, tough on the causes - they failed miserably on both.
NL consider the EU human rights act above all else and with no consideration on how it is affecting this country and our ability to deal with immigration and terrorism.
NL do not seem to really care, they appear to be self seving, self interested and self promoting.
NL believe targets are the only way to measure performance ans quality of service and the targets are too easily fudged or bodged to look like they are being met.
Les
03 May 2008, 08:52 PM
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03 May 2008, 09:16 PM
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04 May 2008, 12:04 AM
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Over inflated housing market now in a state of collaspe, financial services teetering on the brink, national debt in excess of £39 Billion and rising, gold reserves squandered, record levels of personal debt, a generation of unemployable benefit scroungers, NHS in permanent crisis, record taxcation, record food prices, record fuel prices, towns all over the country overrun by uncontrolled immigration, illegal wars.... You could list NuLabours failings all day - there are plenty more.
Presumably those in need of facts never read newspapers or watch TV news.
Presumably those in need of facts never read newspapers or watch TV news.
Dont you remember the 15+% interest rates in the late 80's under the tories?
Short term memories
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04 May 2008, 12:12 AM
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Just a few things that happened under the tories.
VAT on takeaways
VAT on clothing
Privatisation (sell off) of BR (and its a compete mess now)
Privatisation (Sell off) of BA
Privatisation (Sell off) of BT
Privatisation of PUBLIC transport (yes they messed it up)
Reduction in the police force
Reduction in Customs and excise
Reduction in the armed forces
Sell off of war stock for the armed forces
"just in time" supplies for the armed forces (and they are still waiting)
Closures of the coal mines in the UK
Killed pretty much our Industry off (ship building etc)
That should suffice for now note most of the problems we have now were caused by the last tory government.
Tony
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VAT on takeaways
VAT on clothing
Privatisation (sell off) of BR (and its a compete mess now)
Privatisation (Sell off) of BA
Privatisation (Sell off) of BT
Privatisation of PUBLIC transport (yes they messed it up)
Reduction in the police force
Reduction in Customs and excise
Reduction in the armed forces
Sell off of war stock for the armed forces
"just in time" supplies for the armed forces (and they are still waiting)
Closures of the coal mines in the UK
Killed pretty much our Industry off (ship building etc)
That should suffice for now
note most of the problems we have now were caused by the last tory government.Tony
(voting liberal next time )
04 May 2008, 12:17 AM
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Don't you remember the Winter of Discontent or the 3 Day Week or the Sick Man of Europe unions domination of the country under previous Labour governments?
Short memories indeed. But - why is any of this relevent? Oh yes, because what's left of the desparate Nu Labour supporters need straws to clutch at......
It,s like a kind of 'comfort blanket' I guess.
Very touching.... but a little sad
Short memories indeed. But - why is any of this relevent? Oh yes, because what's left of the desparate Nu Labour supporters need straws to clutch at......
It,s like a kind of 'comfort blanket' I guess.
Very touching.... but a little sad
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Don't you remember the Winter of Discontent or the 3 Day Week or the Sick Man of Europe unions domination of the country under previous Labour governments?
Short memories indeed. But - why is any of this relevent? Oh yes, because what's left of the desparate Nu Labour supporters need straws to clutch at......
It,s like a kind of 'comfort blanket' I guess.
Very touching.... but a little sad
Short memories indeed. But - why is any of this relevent? Oh yes, because what's left of the desparate Nu Labour supporters need straws to clutch at......
It,s like a kind of 'comfort blanket' I guess.
Very touching.... but a little sad
We had the most unemployment under the tories, the highest house repossession under the tories, the greatest loss of basic skills under the tories, but your correct about labour in the early to mid 70's, they did deserve to go, then again the tories dont have any decent idea's except they wont change anything from what its like now.... short term memories indeed!
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04 May 2008, 10:56 AM
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lol I think that sometimes its best to move on a little bit and remember that somethings happened and we have recovered now.
Somethings are unfavourable but required in the eyes of the leaders.
Oh crap I sound like Ken Livingstone now, with his "unpopular decisions" speech lol.
But its true to a degree. There are some unfavourable decisions made by Labour over the years too, Iraq War, Gold sales, Northern Rock bailout etc.
All things that have cost money.
Decisions will always be doubted and criticised, but for me personally, its the attitude of the people in powerful positions that bother me.
Labour have been in power how long?? And now all the top reps of it are saying how the UK has spoken and they know they need to start listening to the public now....
Bit late !
Somethings are unfavourable but required in the eyes of the leaders.
Oh crap I sound like Ken Livingstone now, with his "unpopular decisions" speech lol.
But its true to a degree. There are some unfavourable decisions made by Labour over the years too, Iraq War, Gold sales, Northern Rock bailout etc.
All things that have cost money.
Decisions will always be doubted and criticised, but for me personally, its the attitude of the people in powerful positions that bother me.
Labour have been in power how long?? And now all the top reps of it are saying how the UK has spoken and they know they need to start listening to the public now....
Bit late !
04 May 2008, 02:58 PM
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Well, no .. in all honesty.
Council Elections are a chance to give the Government of the day a poke in the eye ... without actually having to elect someone else to run the country.
The Tories have said that they will leave everything pretty much as it is, they have shown very little of new ideas .... their policy cupboard is empty - that will have to be filled before the next General Election and thats when the people (cos they are not all daft) will see that they cannot offer anything new.
That's not to say a change isn't right for the country - but do not expect things to get better under the Tories ........ their track record is dire!
Council Elections are a chance to give the Government of the day a poke in the eye ... without actually having to elect someone else to run the country.
The Tories have said that they will leave everything pretty much as it is, they have shown very little of new ideas .... their policy cupboard is empty - that will have to be filled before the next General Election and thats when the people (cos they are not all daft) will see that they cannot offer anything new.
That's not to say a change isn't right for the country - but do not expect things to get better under the Tories ........ their track record is dire!
05 May 2008, 01:11 PM
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Well, no .. in all honesty.
Council Elections are a chance to give the Government of the day a poke in the eye ... without actually having to elect someone else to run the country.
The Tories have said that they will leave everything pretty much as it is, they have shown very little of new ideas .... their policy cupboard is empty - that will have to be filled before the next General Election and thats when the people (cos they are not all daft) will see that they cannot offer anything new.
That's not to say a change isn't right for the country - but do not expect things to get better under the Tories ........ their track record is dire!
Council Elections are a chance to give the Government of the day a poke in the eye ... without actually having to elect someone else to run the country.
The Tories have said that they will leave everything pretty much as it is, they have shown very little of new ideas .... their policy cupboard is empty - that will have to be filled before the next General Election and thats when the people (cos they are not all daft) will see that they cannot offer anything new.
That's not to say a change isn't right for the country - but do not expect things to get better under the Tories ........ their track record is dire!
What I do think is that with what we have seen so far, they would have to really work at it to do as badly let alone worse.
Les
05 May 2008, 05:09 PM
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To be honest, if the Tories have good Policies then Labour SHOULD steal them for the benefit of the country - don't you agree?
I can see a Lib/Lab Pack after the next Election .... and we have been there before!
To be honest, if the Tories have good Policies then Labour SHOULD steal them for the benefit of the country - don't you agree?
I can see a Lib/Lab Pack after the next Election .... and we have been there before!
05 May 2008, 05:19 PM
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I can see a few resignations, some ship jumping, and indeed some idea stealing.
But then again thats politics.
The second biggest cause of arguements and wars to religion !
But then again thats politics.
The second biggest cause of arguements and wars to religion !
05 May 2008, 05:24 PM
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I'm about to have my sorry SN life taken from me ....... my last memory will be of tattooed warriors laughing at my demise
I may even come back as Tatty Pete .... what do you reckon?
I may even come back as Tatty Pete .... what do you reckon?
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Times are looking grim.
Or is it because it has been so good for 10 years that it 'feels' worse than it really is?
What amazes me is the fact that the Tories are not way out in front in the opinion polls ....... surely such an unpopular government should be further behind than they are?
Or, again, is it because we all know we are better off under Labour than any other offering?
Or is it because it has been so good for 10 years that it 'feels' worse than it really is?
What amazes me is the fact that the Tories are not way out in front in the opinion polls ....... surely such an unpopular government should be further behind than they are?
Or, again, is it because we all know we are better off under Labour than any other offering?