David Lock

Your post is not clear (to me anyway!).

Are you saying that pre-2001 cars will be taxed on the "new" scale or will they stay at roughly what they pay now?

All my cars are way before 2000 but I was half thinking of getting a 2000 comfortable gas guzzler, perhaps a Jag, which are dirt cheap now and converting it to LPG. But then there is a question mark about future tax on LPG. dl

subaruturbo_18

i would like to see where all of this extra money goes. extra fuel dutys and taxes, extra car tax prices, congestion charges etcetc.

it all goes to the government and probably mr browns back pocket.

i can't wait till our fuel and tax protest. i will be happy after one of two things has been done,

either the extra taxes have been cut as they are there for labour's mess with the economy and situations in iraq, afganistan etc, and also the money they pay to other countries for their problems. SORT YOUR OWN COUNTRY OUT FIRST MR BROWN.

the other alternative is with all this extra money, invest 100% of it into researching new ways go create energy, ie wind farms etcetc then perhaps that may make people think differently on the matter

but since labour want a profit and would never invest 100% of something, i think option one is the best way

PeteBrant

Pre 2001 cars stay as current - I.e.e two bands, below 1500cc and above.

Of course there is nothing to stop the government setting the VED rate on pre 2001 cards above 1500 at £400.

David Lock

Thanks. I'll nip out and get an old Jag then.

When it stops raining

PeteBrant

I had a XJR before my Scoob. Bloody great car. You can pick up a 1995 now for about £4K (go for a late stright six XJR rather than the early V8's) and you will have an enourmous amount of car for your money.

I may have just talked myself into getting another one

c_maguire

Road tax as VED in its' current form has always been unfair. I have a private car ( unfortunately a classic on a 51 plate ) and also have a van for work. Not long back we also had a cheap camper for trips to France, where we've been working on our house. I've had bikes since I was 15 years old and have on various occassions had two in the shed. That's 5 lots of road tax I've been paying, with yearly mileage about 30,000 in the van, less than 4,000 in the car, 4 trips to France in the camper ( so very few miles in Blighty ) and less than 2,000 miles on both bikes combined. One thing you can guarantee is the speed with which the fine arrives from DVLA if the tax on a bike expires over Winter ( when it's been nowhere near the road anyway ).
I'm far from rich but I've always worked and payed my way, and in some respects the VED infringes on my freedom of choice. How can it ever be reasonable to charge one individual who uses a vehicle a handful of times a year the same as another who uses a vehicle daily when the charge is a tax for road use(age). The fair way would of course be to incorporate this tax into the price of fuel. The old argument that the tax disc in the window ( or lack of ) also is a good indicator of other issues such as MOT, insurance, license etc is mute now anyway as the whole system is computerised and the authorities can find all your details at short notice anyway. So logic might perhaps suggest a 'Tax disc' rather like an old dog license costing say £10-20 to cover administration and thereby providing a yearly verification of circumstance for every vehicle.
Luckily for the government the global warming scaremongering has saved any debate re. road tax ( cars are all killing the planet now ) so the money can just keep rolling in.
It might be some consolation if they actually spent some money on the roads that didn't involve bollards or humps.
Kevin

PeteBrant

Also , seeing as you are in West Sussex, when/if you get a Jag, I can wholeheartedly reccomend Lee at Sussex Jag Centre at Ford Airfield Ind Est. for servicing etc, top bloke, competitive, and knows abosolutley everything about Jags.

Snazy

lol jesus, sorry for the confusion, but lets be fair, either way I was a lot clearer about it than the government

Thank you for taking the time to nit pick, now, back to the matter at hand...

The tax changes will affect cars registered between March 2001 and March 2006.... hope thats a little clearer. Main point is, 5 years worth of "safe" cars in a tax perpective are gonna get re-evaluated and will now be taxed at a much higher rate. Which quite frankly... SUCKS !

Snazy

In the meantime while we are worrying about the enviroment...

The next few weeks will see.....

A1GP at brands, BTCC and other classes racing all over the UK, Biggin Hill Airshow, and the Southend Airshow.....

I wonder how many passes of a Tornado, or laps of an A1 car it takes to render the years exisitance of 1000 Prius's useless lol

*tongue in cheek of course as I love these events

Adidas

Even if Ken gets voted out, whoever gets in will retain the CC. It brings too much revenue into the Capital that, if it was to be scrapped, would leave a huge hole in the new Mayors' budget.

c_maguire

I read somewhere recently that to date ( as a result of the costs involved in implementing the hardware etc ) the scheme is currently running at a loss, which probably goes some way to explain the enthusiasm for the £25 charge for fire-breathing people carriers and the like. Boris has said he will re-assess the scheme, particularly re the £25 charge. Fingers crossed he'll get the chance.
Kevin

Snazy

Didnt say the CC goes, I said the hikes, i.e the £25 band.
As for it running at a loss... with £92m in revenue from fines alone, and the fact its running at a loss.... Scary eh !

Not sure it would leave a huge hole in the budget for London, but your right, for KENS budget im sure it would.

Too much revenue... how much exactly of the charge makes it into the purse.... Very little sadly.

A lot can be done for more money in the purse to spend on London, and raising the CC is not one of them.

Snazy

Would be nice to see a different approach. Nervous about the poll results, but lets see eh.

PeteBrant

The scheme would be running at a loss, if everyone paid on time. But they don't these scheme was in profit by £70million or so due to late fees.

David Lock

Small world Pete

Yeah I know Lee but haven't been over there for a couple of years. Nice guy as you say. d

Adidas

Sorry mate, I just re-read your post

lozgti

Not just sports cars being affected.Just because our family car has a 2.5 petrol lump our tax will go up to £400.As a household we will be paying £700 for a 1.8 petrol car and 2.5 petrol.

The second hand market will collapse.We as a family will not be forking out £40,000 in new cars like we used too.We probably won't get rid of our cars for the forseeable future now.Not worth it.

So,I reckon they will in the end lose huge amounts of tax in whatever guise from all areas of the motoring industry.All because the government are buffoons.

I know it is meant to be a 'deterrent' to buying big engined cars but they will look for tax from elsewhere again.

This lot really do take the biscuit.They are incredible.Oh,and they can shove their diesel cars where the sun doesn't shine

Snazy

Yup one of my first observations too..

They want everyone in greener cars, and im sure a lot of people would like to too.
However with the sudden increase in fuel prices, VED etc, some people now cant manage to renew them. With the increase in CC, som Londoners certainly wont be able to save enough to buy the new green car.
And with the new VED, as you say, the s/h values will plummet, meaning few can afford to renew their cars, let alone buy a nice green one.

Thoroughly shot in the foot if you ask me.

speedking

So if you work in London 5 days a week, 40 weeks a year x £5 CC = £1000 / year. Plenty of people do that, so an increase from £200 to £400 in road tax is small change.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Oh, he is doing

Scotland has got better education, free toll bridges, free prescriptions, better deal for their old, student grants, etc etc etc.

All to the tune of £THREE BILLION a year from the rest of the UK

Alcazar

alcazar

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And they will..........believe me, they will

We HAVE to vote them out asap. Start at the local elections of Thursday. You heard it here

Alcazar

Snazy

Except the CC is £8 a day, and if your car is a £400 per annum VED car, it will also be a £25 a day for the CC car too.
£125 a week, which indeed makes £400 a year seem nothing, til it goes up again for the next 4 years to their target of £1000.
Also £8 a day is easier to find for most than £400 in one hit.

I think the point is, there are enough financial penalties for driving already, without doubling it.
Also while quite a few people commute in and out of London daily... hundreds of thousands dont, and its THOSE people the £400+ VED will affect the most.

Snazy

I got everything crossed for that one mate. Hope the spelling is right, im cross eyed too ! lol

Friday morning I pray for headlines like "Boris Landslide", "London gets a BJ" and "Close the door on your way out you theiving lying little leftie w****r"

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

That may be a small charge, which may in fact be affordable for some who work in London, paying the CC charge, however I'm sure they will still be unhappy forking out an extra £200 a year. The other issue is, this increase in road tax doesn't just effect those people you mention, it is country wide, effecting alot of people, it is a retrospective tax, and there will be many people who will struggle to afford an extra £200 a year, along with everything else going up in price too.

phil_wrx

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i dont buy the green tax argument.

there was a article a few weeks ago mainly about the growing economies of china and india and i that the state that for every 1 car that europe and the us ditch, there are 10 people ditching bicycles in china and india and getting cars.

climate change is a global problem but what is being done? the only thing changing is the money in our pockets

Snazy

Green is the catchy word of the moment and the excuse for any new tax.
Like Boris has said about London and the CC... Do low emissions cars not cause congestion? And if they do, why are they exempt from paying the CONGESTION charge.

Just a big excuse to take more money. Once the technology changes, another of the emissions of a car will be taxed.

Terminator X

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It was still sneaky as it was cars registered after the date rather than as new after the date, thus any old cars imported after Mar 2006 also got / get caught in Band G. Grossly unfair IMHO

The proposed new tax banding is even worse & who knows what the future might hold for cars older than Mar 2001 ...

TX.

Terminator X

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It's now called climate change so even if it gets colder you'll still get taxed more

TX.

Terminator X

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Once we're taxed out of the petrol cars they'll just move on to diesel. This is already happening as cost of diesel is now more than petrol when it used to be much less ...

Not driving is the obvious answer yet it's almost impossible to get around these days without a car unless you live in London of course.

TX.

Terminator X

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Bang on. Where's the compo for the lost value of our sub 25mpg cars though Group claim anyone?

TX.