Numbers not looking too promising for Labour so far
02 May 2008, 12:53 PM
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It's called being a "floating voter" - I.e. where the true electorical power lies. It is people like Martin and myself that decide who runs this country. Your "I'll never vote Tory/Labour" voters have no influence whatsoever.
02 May 2008, 12:54 PM
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These are local elections - for local councils. You are voting for councillors in these elections - Not for MP's.
Your MP is there to represent you in Parliament. Your local council concerns itself solely with local issues. It has no parlimentary power.
Typically, a local council will have a number of councillors. When a party gains overall control of a council, it means that the number of councillors that party has in that coucil, outnumbers all other councillors from other parties put together.
Last nights votes have no impact at all on paliament in terms of MPs. By-elections and General elections are for MP's which is a different matter entirely.
It is not unusual to have a local council run by one party, and the MP for that constituancy be from a different party.
Your MP is there to represent you in Parliament. Your local council concerns itself solely with local issues. It has no parlimentary power.
Typically, a local council will have a number of councillors. When a party gains overall control of a council, it means that the number of councillors that party has in that coucil, outnumbers all other councillors from other parties put together.
Last nights votes have no impact at all on paliament in terms of MPs. By-elections and General elections are for MP's which is a different matter entirely.
It is not unusual to have a local council run by one party, and the MP for that constituancy be from a different party.
02 May 2008, 01:06 PM
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They're fininshed. Brown says he will listen and lead. I say - keep going - you're doing an great job....
02 May 2008, 01:10 PM
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02 May 2008, 01:11 PM
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Martin, you seem to spend your life defending both sides to the best of your ability. One day you will have to make a meaningful decision. It gets "**** numbing" in the end sitting on the fence all the time.
I do however find the news about vote rigging the most disturbing bit so far. If that becomes rife-we are a lost nation! Zimbabwe here we come!!! Or the USA for that matter.
Les
I do however find the news about vote rigging the most disturbing bit so far. If that becomes rife-we are a lost nation! Zimbabwe here we come!!! Or the USA for that matter.
Les
Ken Clarke would of got my vote for the Tories (if he was running). It's tough to get excited about the choice we have.
If Johnson wins a wish him good luck.
The reason I appear to be sitting on the fence on a few issues is because I don't view the world in absolute terms, it's all shades of grey, particularly in politics.
02 May 2008, 01:12 PM
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I love the way that the Labour lot are blaming one incident (10p tax) and the poor economic conditions on their appalling results.
It's not that you idiots - it's because you are a bunch of lying, two-faced, stealing, incompetent, financially manipulative scum with no clear mandate to rule in England; whose leader is unelected and who has signed a document clearly stating that he will put the needs of Scotland above anyone else!
You've created a society where living off the state is profitable and increased the tax burden on those willing to work beyond anything seen before to pay for this. You've increased the size of the civil service to levels never seen before. The number of people actually PRODUCING anything is at an all time low. You have cripped the police and medical services behind mountains of paper-work and useless jobs. You attack freedom and villify the innocent, you have created a society of mistrust and misrule. Rather than try to lift the standard of the least in our society you drag the rest of us down. You nuture a culture of reliance in a blatent attempt to buy the votes required to keep you in your luxury. You breed ignorance of what matters and promote devisiveness and call it integration. You have lost what it is to be British and push the patriotric out to the poltical fringes.
I hate all you stand for and all that you have done to almost ruin this country.
Guido, come back.. all is forgiven.
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It's not that you idiots - it's because you are a bunch of lying, two-faced, stealing, incompetent, financially manipulative scum with no clear mandate to rule in England; whose leader is unelected and who has signed a document clearly stating that he will put the needs of Scotland above anyone else!
You've created a society where living off the state is profitable and increased the tax burden on those willing to work beyond anything seen before to pay for this. You've increased the size of the civil service to levels never seen before. The number of people actually PRODUCING anything is at an all time low. You have cripped the police and medical services behind mountains of paper-work and useless jobs. You attack freedom and villify the innocent, you have created a society of mistrust and misrule. Rather than try to lift the standard of the least in our society you drag the rest of us down. You nuture a culture of reliance in a blatent attempt to buy the votes required to keep you in your luxury. You breed ignorance of what matters and promote devisiveness and call it integration. You have lost what it is to be British and push the patriotric out to the poltical fringes.
I hate all you stand for and all that you have done to almost ruin this country.
Guido, come back.. all is forgiven.
<and breathe>
02 May 2008, 01:14 PM
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"It's called being a "floating voter" - I.e. where the true electorical power lies. It is people like Martin and myself that decide who runs this country. Your "I'll never vote Tory/Labour" voters have no influence whatsoever."
I think you'll find you all have exactly the same influence, 1 vote!
"It's called being a "floating voter" - I.e. where the true electorical power lies. It is people like Martin and myself that decide who runs this country. Your "I'll never vote Tory/Labour" voters have no influence whatsoever."
I think you'll find you all have exactly the same influence, 1 vote!
02 May 2008, 01:21 PM
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I love the way that the Labour lot are blaming one incident (10p tax) and the poor economic conditions on their appalling results.
It's not that you idiots - it's because you are a bunch of lying, two-faced, stealing, incompetent, financially manipulative scum with no clear mandate to rule in England; whose leader is unelected and who has signed a document clearly stating that he will put the needs of Scotland above anyone else!
You've created a society where living off the state is profitable and increased the tax burden on those willing to work beyond anything seen before to pay for this. You've increased the size of the civil service to levels never seen before. The number of people actually PRODUCING anything is at an all time low. You have cripped the police and medical services behind mountains of paper-work and useless jobs. You attack freedom and villify the innocent, you have created a society of mistrust and misrule. Rather than try to lift the standard of the least in our society you drag the rest of us down. You nuture a culture of reliance in a blatent attempt to buy the votes required to keep you in your luxury. You breed ignorance of what matters and promote devisiveness and call it integration. You have lost what it is to be British and push the patriotric out to the poltical fringes.
I hate all you stand for and all that you have done to almost ruin this country.
Guido, come back.. all is forgiven.
<and breathe>
It's not that you idiots - it's because you are a bunch of lying, two-faced, stealing, incompetent, financially manipulative scum with no clear mandate to rule in England; whose leader is unelected and who has signed a document clearly stating that he will put the needs of Scotland above anyone else!
You've created a society where living off the state is profitable and increased the tax burden on those willing to work beyond anything seen before to pay for this. You've increased the size of the civil service to levels never seen before. The number of people actually PRODUCING anything is at an all time low. You have cripped the police and medical services behind mountains of paper-work and useless jobs. You attack freedom and villify the innocent, you have created a society of mistrust and misrule. Rather than try to lift the standard of the least in our society you drag the rest of us down. You nuture a culture of reliance in a blatent attempt to buy the votes required to keep you in your luxury. You breed ignorance of what matters and promote devisiveness and call it integration. You have lost what it is to be British and push the patriotric out to the poltical fringes.
I hate all you stand for and all that you have done to almost ruin this country.
Guido, come back.. all is forgiven.
<and breathe>
02 May 2008, 01:26 PM
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Think Tories will be a damp squib but the satisfaction on seeing Labour get such a richly deserved kicking is exquisite. Set up my whole weekend!
02 May 2008, 01:26 PM
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and the scores on the doors anthea?
labour -276 seats/-8 councils
tories +194 seats/+10 councils
LD +30 seats/-1 council
the people are speaking. rather loudly. and it ain't over yet. oh dear gordon.
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labour -276 seats/-8 councils
tories +194 seats/+10 councils
LD +30 seats/-1 council
the people are speaking. rather loudly. and it ain't over yet. oh dear gordon.
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02 May 2008, 01:27 PM
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Well I don't want to find myself in a position where I'm defending Livingstone, but at least he has/had adminstrative skills and experience, what has Boris got?
It's hard not to like Johnson he's quite an engaging guy, but he also an absolutely baffoon. I can see this all ending in tears.
What a terrible choice voters of London have had.
It's hard not to like Johnson he's quite an engaging guy, but he also an absolutely baffoon. I can see this all ending in tears.
What a terrible choice voters of London have had.
The trouble is Kens got far too much experience
02 May 2008, 01:30 PM
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Mr Brant Sir!
Stop your leftie spin before i slap you.
It may be local elections - i think you will find that people voted on national issues and it is directed at the MP's and a sign of things to come.
This is not just local issues by any means.
Stop your leftie spin before i slap you.
It may be local elections - i think you will find that people voted on national issues and it is directed at the MP's and a sign of things to come.
This is not just local issues by any means.
02 May 2008, 01:34 PM
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"exquisite". what a delicious word. and what a delicious day it's turning out to be.
02 May 2008, 01:53 PM
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Tories up to +211 seats with 26 councils still to declare..... and according to sky labour are down 291 SO FAR!!!!!!!
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02 May 2008, 02:06 PM
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Well my meaningful thoughts are/were that it's a pretty poor choice all round, I wouldn't have voted for any of them.
Ken Clarke would of got my vote for the Tories (if he was running). It's tough to get excited about the choice we have.
If Johnson wins a wish him good luck.
The reason I appear to be sitting on the fence on a few issues is because I don't view the world in absolute terms, it's all shades of grey, particularly in politics.
Ken Clarke would of got my vote for the Tories (if he was running). It's tough to get excited about the choice we have.
If Johnson wins a wish him good luck.
The reason I appear to be sitting on the fence on a few issues is because I don't view the world in absolute terms, it's all shades of grey, particularly in politics.
The difference though is that try as I may, I find it very difficult to find much good if any in this cobbled up occasional imitation of real Labour in the name of the "third way" which has done such an efficient job of wrecking this country and all it used to stand for.
Les
02 May 2008, 02:08 PM
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The bbc link keeps updating itself, but upto around 220+ now. Labour showing -253
With another 21 councils still to come in
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02 May 2008, 02:10 PM
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Thats a good enough answer Martin, and as someone also with no political bias I agree.
The difference though is that try as I may, I find it very difficult to find much good if any in this cobbled up occasional imitation of real Labour in the name of the "third way" which has done such an efficient job of wrecking this country and all it used to stand for.
Les
The difference though is that try as I may, I find it very difficult to find much good if any in this cobbled up occasional imitation of real Labour in the name of the "third way" which has done such an efficient job of wrecking this country and all it used to stand for.
Les
02 May 2008, 02:11 PM
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Well just had a business meeting with my business partner this afternoon and it was just as well we didnt do it in the pub, because we only managed to contain our hatred for the weasel that is know as ken without exploding and hurling abuse and our pint glasses at someone. Instead we had a calm meeting to discuss the implications of ken getting back in and the impact on our business. It seems if ken get sback in, we are going to consider fooking off out of London for good. Which just goes to show the depth of our feeling 
02 May 2008, 02:13 PM
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Too early to tell really - but it's starting to look like Livingstone is going to get a good kicking too. 
Don't make any decisions yet Swiss....
Don't make any decisions yet Swiss....
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02 May 2008, 02:14 PM
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Martin; read this: http://devilskitchen.me.uk/2008/05/g...ng-genius.html then understand what a complete nightmare we now face.
There are many, many more things to comment on but this legacy is going to haunt us for some time to come.
Unfortunately what will happen is that the next (non_labour) Govt will have to fix all these problems which will cause greater hardship for us all. Then once things are sorted we'll have all forgotten what a complete nightmare now is and vote the idiot Labour dingbats back in again!
02 May 2008, 02:16 PM
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Martin; read this: http://devilskitchen.me.uk/2008/05/g...ng-genius.html then understand what a complete nightmare we now face.
There are many, many more things to comment on but this legacy is going to haunt us for some time to come.
Unfortunately what will happen is that the next (non_labour) Govt will have to fix all these problems which will cause greater hardship for us all. Then once things are sorted we'll have all forgotten what a complete nightmare now is and vote the idiot Labour dingbats back in again!
There are many, many more things to comment on but this legacy is going to haunt us for some time to come.
Unfortunately what will happen is that the next (non_labour) Govt will have to fix all these problems which will cause greater hardship for us all. Then once things are sorted we'll have all forgotten what a complete nightmare now is and vote the idiot Labour dingbats back in again!
What is the complete nightmare you refer to, if you mean the economic downturn then yes it's likely to be painful for a while.
As for the conservatives having to fix the nightmare, well there's unlikely to be a general election for 2 years, so by then we should be out the other side of it (bloody hope so anyway).
You forget (conveniently I suspect) the 'nightmare' in our public services the Labour government inherited from the Tories in 97, and a pretty good economic record for 10 years, which is at least worth a mention surely?