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03 May 2008, 08:31 AM
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Apologies if this has already been said, but I have not read the whole thread 
What amazes me is, how the hell some areas are still strong Labour. I live in the NE and I see Gateshead and Sunderland are stil Labour. Why FGS. Is it down to the old cloth cap brigade who can't see the wood for the trees. I despair
My vote was certainly not Labour
What amazes me is, how the hell some areas are still strong Labour. I live in the NE and I see Gateshead and Sunderland are stil Labour. Why FGS. Is it down to the old cloth cap brigade who can't see the wood for the trees. I despair
My vote was certainly not Labour
You only have to look at Scunny, after the local works dropped their employment from nearly 30,000 to around 6,000.
Or go to any ex-mining town, the smaller the better, and have a GOOD look round
These people will NEVER trust the Tories again after what Thatcher did to them. She ripped the industrial heartland of this country to shreds, while trying to boost us as a "service industry" country.
Pity all the services are now in India...........
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I can answer that, living, as I do, in the area that made steel and nowt much else, and having mates and family who were ALL down the pits.
You only have to look at Scunny, after the local works dropped their employment from nearly 30,000 to around 6,000.
Or go to any ex-mining town, the smaller the better, and have a GOOD look round
These people will NEVER trust the Tories again after what Thatcher did to them. She ripped the industrial heartland of this country to shreds, while trying to boost us as a "service industry" country.
Pity all the services are now in India...........
Alcazar
You only have to look at Scunny, after the local works dropped their employment from nearly 30,000 to around 6,000.
Or go to any ex-mining town, the smaller the better, and have a GOOD look round
These people will NEVER trust the Tories again after what Thatcher did to them. She ripped the industrial heartland of this country to shreds, while trying to boost us as a "service industry" country.
Pity all the services are now in India...........
Alcazar
Thanks, Alcazar,
I never thought of it that way.
Still, I think Labour have turned us into the most highly taxed and snooped upon Country in the world. I have never voted for them, nor ever will.
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Perhaps we can get the Poll Tax back soon, that was great, I paid £140 a year, now I pay £1430 a year in Council Tax.
I heard some muppet on the radio yesterday saying "I'll never forgive the Tories for the Poll Tax, blah blah blah", what's wrong with these halfwits?
I heard some muppet on the radio yesterday saying "I'll never forgive the Tories for the Poll Tax, blah blah blah", what's wrong with these halfwits?
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Martin
Dont know how long you have been looking at things as far as this country is concerned or whether you can't see the wood as they say.
The economy only appeared to be well run because Flash has been the highest overborrowing chancellor ever and used that to make the economy look good even though it was really going down the tubes. These things tend to catch up after a while, rather like people being encouraged to borrow money far beyond their means and are now beginning to feel the pinch as the house of cards collapses. The money that he did spend was largely wasted since it has all gone into paying for an enormous and very expensive beaurocracy which is doing this country no good at all. Its a good way of trying to buy votes of course! Nothing was put away to guard against future troubles and he also flogged off half of our gold reserves for peanuts!
I believe that we are close to the abyss with all the financial shenigans by greedy bankers and dishonest traders, and inactivity by the FSA and the government in the face of what was building up. Billions of our tax money has now been lent to the banks against sub prime mortgages and how are they going to pay us back when they fail? Rather like the PFI initiatives that we will be paying for over many years in the future.
Their policies have also led to the country's decline as far as moral depravity is concerned and that will take years to recover from-if ever!
As a reputedly socialist government, they have done next to nothing for the people in general and the genuinely poor in particular. Throwing benefits at those who don't deserve them or very peculiar organisations are yet again only likely to be good for votes, but not in general for the country which is what really matters.
Les
Dont know how long you have been looking at things as far as this country is concerned or whether you can't see the wood as they say.
The economy only appeared to be well run because Flash has been the highest overborrowing chancellor ever and used that to make the economy look good even though it was really going down the tubes. These things tend to catch up after a while, rather like people being encouraged to borrow money far beyond their means and are now beginning to feel the pinch as the house of cards collapses. The money that he did spend was largely wasted since it has all gone into paying for an enormous and very expensive beaurocracy which is doing this country no good at all. Its a good way of trying to buy votes of course! Nothing was put away to guard against future troubles and he also flogged off half of our gold reserves for peanuts!
I believe that we are close to the abyss with all the financial shenigans by greedy bankers and dishonest traders, and inactivity by the FSA and the government in the face of what was building up. Billions of our tax money has now been lent to the banks against sub prime mortgages and how are they going to pay us back when they fail? Rather like the PFI initiatives that we will be paying for over many years in the future.
Their policies have also led to the country's decline as far as moral depravity is concerned and that will take years to recover from-if ever!
As a reputedly socialist government, they have done next to nothing for the people in general and the genuinely poor in particular. Throwing benefits at those who don't deserve them or very peculiar organisations are yet again only likely to be good for votes, but not in general for the country which is what really matters.
Les
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lol harsh, harsh !!
However I reckon a lot of the UK is sick of the failures and like London with the Mayor role, the rest of the country want "a change", which is what will win the tories the next GE
However I reckon a lot of the UK is sick of the failures and like London with the Mayor role, the rest of the country want "a change", which is what will win the tories the next GE
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[quote=Leslie;7849859]Martin
Dont know how long you have been looking at things as far as this country is concerned or whether you can't see the wood as they say.
Les, my specialist subject is seeing the 'woods from the trees'
The economy only appeared to be well run because Flash has been the highest overborrowing chancellor ever and used that to make the economy look good even though it was really going down the tubes. These things tend to catch up after a while, rather like people being encouraged to borrow money far beyond their means and are now beginning to feel the pinch as the house of cards collapses. The money that he did spend was largely wasted since it has all gone into paying for an enormous and very expensive beaurocracy which is doing this country no good at all. Its a good way of trying to buy votes of course! Nothing was put away to guard against future troubles and he also flogged off half of our gold reserves for peanuts!
There is of course more than a little truth in what you say, it is also true though that our economy has been strong, and has ridden out international economic downturns. The UK ecomony is the model for the new leaders of France and Germany, and even now, yes even now, our economy is predicted to come through the international economic crisis better than most.
I think that we should all look closer to home as well when considering the current credit crunch, it's causes and it's implications!
As for beaurocracy, well yes we have certainly got a lot of it in the UK (not as much as say France and Germany), I'm not sure of the numbers but I'd love to know how the numbers have changed (as a % of GDP) of the last 30 or 40 years.
My biggest beef with this government and Gordon Brown in particular is that they failed (chickened out in some instances) to make proper and significant reforms to the public services.
I believe that we are close to the abyss with all the financial shenigans by greedy bankers and dishonest traders, and inactivity by the FSA and the government in the face of what was building up. Billions of our tax money has now been lent to the banks against sub prime mortgages and how are they going to pay us back when they fail? Rather like the PFI initiatives that we will be paying for over many years in the future.
Their policies have also led to the country's decline as far as moral depravity is concerned and that will take years to recover from-if ever!
Sorry Les that just rubbish, individuals are responsible for their own actions not the government.
As a reputedly socialist government, they have done next to nothing for the people in general and the genuinely poor in particular. Throwing benefits at those who don't deserve them or very peculiar organisations are yet again only likely to be good for votes, but not in general for the country which is what really matters.
This isn't, and has never even tried to be a socialist government, socialism died 20 years ago in this country (thankfully), this government got elected by appealing successfully to 'middle England', hardly hardcore socialist voters.
Should the Tories win the next election, they will do so with my vote, I wish them well as I do all our political leaders. I'm not one of those who allows themselves to believe that politics is corrupt or dishonest, I read so many ill-thought out rants on here from people who's political understanding must go back about 2 weeks, on this thread alone I've read stuff that would look dim scribbled on the toilet walls of my sons infant school! (not yourself clearly)
David Cameron has a big challenge coming up, he's done a Blairesque job in reforming the consevative party, they're look electable again, and that can only be a good thing for the country. The current government look tried and worn out but are is likely to limp along for 2 more years, which I think will damage the country.
But as always I look on the bright side, things are never as bad as they are portrayed on here, this place is so unbelievably right wing and bias. A recent poll on here suggested that 20% of SN members would vote BNP, how's that for well thought out politics!!!!
Cheers
Martin
Dont know how long you have been looking at things as far as this country is concerned or whether you can't see the wood as they say.
Les, my specialist subject is seeing the 'woods from the trees'
The economy only appeared to be well run because Flash has been the highest overborrowing chancellor ever and used that to make the economy look good even though it was really going down the tubes. These things tend to catch up after a while, rather like people being encouraged to borrow money far beyond their means and are now beginning to feel the pinch as the house of cards collapses. The money that he did spend was largely wasted since it has all gone into paying for an enormous and very expensive beaurocracy which is doing this country no good at all. Its a good way of trying to buy votes of course! Nothing was put away to guard against future troubles and he also flogged off half of our gold reserves for peanuts!
There is of course more than a little truth in what you say, it is also true though that our economy has been strong, and has ridden out international economic downturns. The UK ecomony is the model for the new leaders of France and Germany, and even now, yes even now, our economy is predicted to come through the international economic crisis better than most.
I think that we should all look closer to home as well when considering the current credit crunch, it's causes and it's implications!
As for beaurocracy, well yes we have certainly got a lot of it in the UK (not as much as say France and Germany), I'm not sure of the numbers but I'd love to know how the numbers have changed (as a % of GDP) of the last 30 or 40 years.
My biggest beef with this government and Gordon Brown in particular is that they failed (chickened out in some instances) to make proper and significant reforms to the public services.
I believe that we are close to the abyss with all the financial shenigans by greedy bankers and dishonest traders, and inactivity by the FSA and the government in the face of what was building up. Billions of our tax money has now been lent to the banks against sub prime mortgages and how are they going to pay us back when they fail? Rather like the PFI initiatives that we will be paying for over many years in the future.
Their policies have also led to the country's decline as far as moral depravity is concerned and that will take years to recover from-if ever!
Sorry Les that just rubbish, individuals are responsible for their own actions not the government.
As a reputedly socialist government, they have done next to nothing for the people in general and the genuinely poor in particular. Throwing benefits at those who don't deserve them or very peculiar organisations are yet again only likely to be good for votes, but not in general for the country which is what really matters.
This isn't, and has never even tried to be a socialist government, socialism died 20 years ago in this country (thankfully), this government got elected by appealing successfully to 'middle England', hardly hardcore socialist voters.
Should the Tories win the next election, they will do so with my vote, I wish them well as I do all our political leaders. I'm not one of those who allows themselves to believe that politics is corrupt or dishonest, I read so many ill-thought out rants on here from people who's political understanding must go back about 2 weeks, on this thread alone I've read stuff that would look dim scribbled on the toilet walls of my sons infant school! (not yourself clearly)
David Cameron has a big challenge coming up, he's done a Blairesque job in reforming the consevative party, they're look electable again, and that can only be a good thing for the country. The current government look tried and worn out but are is likely to limp along for 2 more years, which I think will damage the country.
But as always I look on the bright side, things are never as bad as they are portrayed on here, this place is so unbelievably right wing and bias. A recent poll on here suggested that 20% of SN members would vote BNP, how's that for well thought out politics!!!!
Cheers
Martin
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Martin, as has been explained on here many times, the BNP have gained popularity mainly because of NL and its attitudes to immigration, its PC 'right on' approach to immigration and deprtation and that it holds the EU treaty on human rights above all else including the rights of the people born here.
In many cases people voting for the BNP have been affected or had family and friends affected by immigration, crime, jobs or lack of them. a benefits system that seems to favour them, hearing that your (actually my) local council spent £750,000 on translators for the police and social services in a 14 month period when couiuncil tax is rising, violent crime is on the increse, etc and council servicess are being cut dioes not make mnme a happy chappy.
Non of this makes the voters feel comforable or believe in the current government.
The BNP is not made up from just idiot fanatics who grew up NF voters, they are getting support from joe public
whilst a lot of their policies are badly thought out or non existent, some ring home with people who have been affected.
It is very easy for middle england to scoff, live in an area where you do not feel you can go out or are now in the minority and se how you feel being a second class citisen.
Immigration and intergration have been mishandled on a grand scale, the BNP are picking up voters due to this.
If you think SN is overly right wing i suggest you go canvas a pub or club or 100 people in ths street to see how it differs mate. Middle England does not exist anymore and working class is now just people who have jobs to pay the bills and more importantly the TAX CASH COWS, the there are those who do not have to work from being independantly wealthy and those who do not haver to due to the welfare system supporting them.
When you find that 52% of children born in london in the last year are to immigrants then you have to wonder just what is going on.you find out there are at least (by gov't figs) some 750,000 illegals in this country.
The massive majority of the vote was for the tories in that pole and reprsents the countries curtrent voting pattern.
The BNP prosper because of the NL govt and policies and bad handling of an important issue.
Problems with communities rather than being sorted out are left to fester by those PC fools who do not want to seee the real issues - the BNP has a recruiting sargent there!
BTW i am not defending the BNP, just pointing out the realities of the BNP.
Lets not get into scrounging chavs v.s immigrants they are seperate issues, both important to sorting out this country.
NL have been reactive throughut the term and al parties have benefitted, including the BNP.
Martin
Dont know how long you have been looking at things as far as this country is concerned or whether you can't see the wood as they say.
Les, my specialist subject is seeing the 'woods from the trees'
The economy only appeared to be well run because Flash has been the highest overborrowing chancellor ever and used that to make the economy look good even though it was really going down the tubes. These things tend to catch up after a while, rather like people being encouraged to borrow money far beyond their means and are now beginning to feel the pinch as the house of cards collapses. The money that he did spend was largely wasted since it has all gone into paying for an enormous and very expensive beaurocracy which is doing this country no good at all. Its a good way of trying to buy votes of course! Nothing was put away to guard against future troubles and he also flogged off half of our gold reserves for peanuts!
There is of course more than a little truth in what you say, it is also true though that our economy has been strong, and has ridden out international economic downturns. The UK ecomony is the model for the new leaders of France and Germany, and even now, yes even now, our economy is predicted to come through the international economic crisis better than most.
I think that we should all look closer to home as well when considering the current credit crunch, it's causes and it's implications!
As for beaurocracy, well yes we have certainly got a lot of it in the UK (not as much as say France and Germany), I'm not sure of the numbers but I'd love to know how the numbers have changed (as a % of GDP) of the last 30 or 40 years.
My biggest beef with this government and Gordon Brown in particular is that they failed (chickened out in some instances) to make proper and significant reforms to the public services.
I believe that we are close to the abyss with all the financial shenigans by greedy bankers and dishonest traders, and inactivity by the FSA and the government in the face of what was building up. Billions of our tax money has now been lent to the banks against sub prime mortgages and how are they going to pay us back when they fail? Rather like the PFI initiatives that we will be paying for over many years in the future.
Their policies have also led to the country's decline as far as moral depravity is concerned and that will take years to recover from-if ever!
Sorry Les that just rubbish, individuals are responsible for their own actions not the government.
As a reputedly socialist government, they have done next to nothing for the people in general and the genuinely poor in particular. Throwing benefits at those who don't deserve them or very peculiar organisations are yet again only likely to be good for votes, but not in general for the country which is what really matters.
This isn't, and has never even tried to be a socialist government, socialism died 20 years ago in this country (thankfully), this government got elected by appealing successfully to 'middle England', hardly hardcore socialist voters.
Should the Tories win the next election, they will do so with my vote, I wish them well as I do all our political leaders. I'm not one of those who allows themselves to believe that politics is corrupt or dishonest, I read so many ill-thought out rants on here from people who's political understanding must go back about 2 weeks, on this thread alone I've read stuff that would look dim scribbled on the toilet walls of my sons infant school! (not yourself clearly)
David Cameron has a big challenge coming up, he's done a Blairesque job in reforming the consevative party, they're look electable again, and that can only be a good thing for the country. The current government look tried and worn out but are is likely to limp along for 2 more years, which I think will damage the country.
But as always I look on the bright side, things are never as bad as they are portrayed on here, this place is so unbelievably right wing and bias. A recent poll on here suggested that 20% of SN members would vote BNP, how's that for well thought out politics!!!!
Cheers
Martin
Dont know how long you have been looking at things as far as this country is concerned or whether you can't see the wood as they say.
Les, my specialist subject is seeing the 'woods from the trees'
The economy only appeared to be well run because Flash has been the highest overborrowing chancellor ever and used that to make the economy look good even though it was really going down the tubes. These things tend to catch up after a while, rather like people being encouraged to borrow money far beyond their means and are now beginning to feel the pinch as the house of cards collapses. The money that he did spend was largely wasted since it has all gone into paying for an enormous and very expensive beaurocracy which is doing this country no good at all. Its a good way of trying to buy votes of course! Nothing was put away to guard against future troubles and he also flogged off half of our gold reserves for peanuts!
There is of course more than a little truth in what you say, it is also true though that our economy has been strong, and has ridden out international economic downturns. The UK ecomony is the model for the new leaders of France and Germany, and even now, yes even now, our economy is predicted to come through the international economic crisis better than most.
I think that we should all look closer to home as well when considering the current credit crunch, it's causes and it's implications!
As for beaurocracy, well yes we have certainly got a lot of it in the UK (not as much as say France and Germany), I'm not sure of the numbers but I'd love to know how the numbers have changed (as a % of GDP) of the last 30 or 40 years.
My biggest beef with this government and Gordon Brown in particular is that they failed (chickened out in some instances) to make proper and significant reforms to the public services.
I believe that we are close to the abyss with all the financial shenigans by greedy bankers and dishonest traders, and inactivity by the FSA and the government in the face of what was building up. Billions of our tax money has now been lent to the banks against sub prime mortgages and how are they going to pay us back when they fail? Rather like the PFI initiatives that we will be paying for over many years in the future.
Their policies have also led to the country's decline as far as moral depravity is concerned and that will take years to recover from-if ever!
Sorry Les that just rubbish, individuals are responsible for their own actions not the government.
As a reputedly socialist government, they have done next to nothing for the people in general and the genuinely poor in particular. Throwing benefits at those who don't deserve them or very peculiar organisations are yet again only likely to be good for votes, but not in general for the country which is what really matters.
This isn't, and has never even tried to be a socialist government, socialism died 20 years ago in this country (thankfully), this government got elected by appealing successfully to 'middle England', hardly hardcore socialist voters.
Should the Tories win the next election, they will do so with my vote, I wish them well as I do all our political leaders. I'm not one of those who allows themselves to believe that politics is corrupt or dishonest, I read so many ill-thought out rants on here from people who's political understanding must go back about 2 weeks, on this thread alone I've read stuff that would look dim scribbled on the toilet walls of my sons infant school! (not yourself clearly)
David Cameron has a big challenge coming up, he's done a Blairesque job in reforming the consevative party, they're look electable again, and that can only be a good thing for the country. The current government look tried and worn out but are is likely to limp along for 2 more years, which I think will damage the country.
But as always I look on the bright side, things are never as bad as they are portrayed on here, this place is so unbelievably right wing and bias. A recent poll on here suggested that 20% of SN members would vote BNP, how's that for well thought out politics!!!!
Cheers
Martin
In many cases people voting for the BNP have been affected or had family and friends affected by immigration, crime, jobs or lack of them. a benefits system that seems to favour them, hearing that your (actually my) local council spent £750,000 on translators for the police and social services in a 14 month period when couiuncil tax is rising, violent crime is on the increse, etc and council servicess are being cut dioes not make mnme a happy chappy.
Non of this makes the voters feel comforable or believe in the current government.
The BNP is not made up from just idiot fanatics who grew up NF voters, they are getting support from joe public
whilst a lot of their policies are badly thought out or non existent, some ring home with people who have been affected.
It is very easy for middle england to scoff, live in an area where you do not feel you can go out or are now in the minority and se how you feel being a second class citisen.
Immigration and intergration have been mishandled on a grand scale, the BNP are picking up voters due to this.
If you think SN is overly right wing i suggest you go canvas a pub or club or 100 people in ths street to see how it differs mate. Middle England does not exist anymore and working class is now just people who have jobs to pay the bills and more importantly the TAX CASH COWS, the there are those who do not have to work from being independantly wealthy and those who do not haver to due to the welfare system supporting them.
When you find that 52% of children born in london in the last year are to immigrants then you have to wonder just what is going on.you find out there are at least (by gov't figs) some 750,000 illegals in this country.
The massive majority of the vote was for the tories in that pole and reprsents the countries curtrent voting pattern.
The BNP prosper because of the NL govt and policies and bad handling of an important issue.
Problems with communities rather than being sorted out are left to fester by those PC fools who do not want to seee the real issues - the BNP has a recruiting sargent there!
BTW i am not defending the BNP, just pointing out the realities of the BNP.
Lets not get into scrounging chavs v.s immigrants they are seperate issues, both important to sorting out this country.
NL have been reactive throughut the term and al parties have benefitted, including the BNP.
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Martin, as has been explained on here many times, the BNP have gained popularity mainly because of NL and its attitudes to immigration, its PC 'right on' approach to immigration and deprtation and that it holds the EU treaty on human rights above all else including the rights of the people born here.
In many cases people voting for the BNP have been affected or had family and friends affected by immigration, crime, jobs or lack of them. a benefits system that seems to favour them, hearing that your (actually my) local council spent £750,000 on translators for the police and social services in a 14 month period when couiuncil tax is rising, violent crime is on the increse, etc and council servicess are being cut dioes not make mnme a happy chappy.
Non of this makes the voters feel comforable or believe in the current government.
The BNP is not made up from just idiot fanatics who grew up NF voters, they are getting support from joe public
whilst a lot of their policies are badly thought out or non existent, some ring home with people who have been affected.
It is very easy for middle england to scoff, live in an area where you do not feel you can go out or are now in the minority and se how you feel being a second class citisen.
Immigration and intergration have been mishandled on a grand scale, the BNP are picking up voters due to this.
If you think SN is overly right wing i suggest you go canvas a pub or club or 100 people in ths street to see how it differs mate. Middle England does not exist anymore and working class is now just people who have jobs to pay the bills and more importantly the TAX CASH COWS, the there are those who do not have to work from being independantly wealthy and those who do not haver to due to the welfare system supporting them.
When you find that 52% of children born in london in the last year are to immigrants then you have to wonder just what is going on.you find out there are at least (by gov't figs) some 750,000 illegals in this country.
The massive majority of the vote was for the tories in that pole and reprsents the countries curtrent voting pattern.
The BNP prosper because of the NL govt and policies and bad handling of an important issue.
Problems with communities rather than being sorted out are left to fester by those PC fools who do not want to seee the real issues - the BNP has a recruiting sargent there!
BTW i am not defending the BNP, just pointing out the realities of the BNP.
Lets not get into scrounging chavs v.s immigrants they are seperate issues, both important to sorting out this country.
NL have been reactive throughut the term and al parties have benefitted, including the BNP.
So by voting BNP, does that mean that there is no faith in the Tories sorting it out either? I repeat 20% of people on your pole said they'd vote BNP, what share of the vote did they get in the Locals? So please don't try and telling me this is a true reflection of public opinion, because it demonstrably isn't.
And I'll say it again, the immigration issue is a double edged sword, we need it, the question is how much of it we need.
Martin, as has been explained on here many times, the BNP have gained popularity mainly because of NL and its attitudes to immigration, its PC 'right on' approach to immigration and deprtation and that it holds the EU treaty on human rights above all else including the rights of the people born here.
In many cases people voting for the BNP have been affected or had family and friends affected by immigration, crime, jobs or lack of them. a benefits system that seems to favour them, hearing that your (actually my) local council spent £750,000 on translators for the police and social services in a 14 month period when couiuncil tax is rising, violent crime is on the increse, etc and council servicess are being cut dioes not make mnme a happy chappy.
Non of this makes the voters feel comforable or believe in the current government.
The BNP is not made up from just idiot fanatics who grew up NF voters, they are getting support from joe public
whilst a lot of their policies are badly thought out or non existent, some ring home with people who have been affected.
It is very easy for middle england to scoff, live in an area where you do not feel you can go out or are now in the minority and se how you feel being a second class citisen.
Immigration and intergration have been mishandled on a grand scale, the BNP are picking up voters due to this.
If you think SN is overly right wing i suggest you go canvas a pub or club or 100 people in ths street to see how it differs mate. Middle England does not exist anymore and working class is now just people who have jobs to pay the bills and more importantly the TAX CASH COWS, the there are those who do not have to work from being independantly wealthy and those who do not haver to due to the welfare system supporting them.
When you find that 52% of children born in london in the last year are to immigrants then you have to wonder just what is going on.you find out there are at least (by gov't figs) some 750,000 illegals in this country.
The massive majority of the vote was for the tories in that pole and reprsents the countries curtrent voting pattern.
The BNP prosper because of the NL govt and policies and bad handling of an important issue.
Problems with communities rather than being sorted out are left to fester by those PC fools who do not want to seee the real issues - the BNP has a recruiting sargent there!
BTW i am not defending the BNP, just pointing out the realities of the BNP.
Lets not get into scrounging chavs v.s immigrants they are seperate issues, both important to sorting out this country.
NL have been reactive throughut the term and al parties have benefitted, including the BNP.
And I'll say it again, the immigration issue is a double edged sword, we need it, the question is how much of it we need.
Last edited by Martin2005; 05 May 2008 at 12:07 PM.
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